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Steelr4evr said:
Exactly! They did the exact same **** ever week for years. No changing **** even when they knew it wasn't working.

An actual scheme per opponent. The players will actually have to use their brains and elevate out of the same ole status quo.

I'm looking forward to something a little more cerebral and tactical. That is my expectation anyway.
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The players have made comments on how different t things are / will be.

Someone even said there are No benches at practices.

I’m excited for the viewing of on the field play.

Mike McCarthey has his work cut out for him, but he will make a difference.


ALSO NOTE: Anything is possible but I don’t think we will see a repeat of losing back to nback to 2-10 teams as in the past.




Salute the nation
 
slashsteel said:
Perhaps one gets shipped off so that they aren’t butting heads for playing time.

Far as the money when you don’t have to pay a QB up the ying yang perhaps you can pay three OLBs decent money.

Anywho it won’t be a burden this season at least with the way those extensions hit so if they desire they can hold onto all three for now.

I am not sold that Highsmith was sick the other day so this situation needs watching.
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Even at $75 million (instead of the average of 83), the Steelers' 2026 cap hit for three edge rushers is absurdly higher than any other team. Here's the rest of the top 5:

#2 Raiders
56.2
Maxx Crosby 35.8
Malcolm Koonce 11.0
Kwity Paye 9.4

#3 Jaguars
52.2
Josh Hines-Allen 23.4
Arik Armstead 19.4
Travon Walker 9.4

#4 Bears
47.7
Montez Sweat 25.1
Dayo Odeyingbo 20.5
Daniel Hardy 2.1

#5 Giants
46.5
Brian Burns 21.4
Kayvon Thibodeaux 14.8
Abdul Carter 10.3

Plus the Steelers are going to have to hand Porter Jr. a large extension at some point soon. I suppose they're going to sustain it for one season, but it is still way out-of-whack compared with how the rest of the NFL operates.
 
topseed said:
Even at $75 million (instead of the average of 83), the Steelers' 2026 cap hit for three edge rushers is absurdly higher than any other team. Here's the rest of the top 5:

#2 Raiders
56.2
Maxx Crosby 35.8
Malcolm Koonce 11.0
Kwity Paye 9.4

#3 Jaguars
52.2
Josh Hines-Allen 23.4
Arik Armstead 19.4
Travon Walker 9.4

#4 Bears
47.7
Montez Sweat 25.1
Dayo Odeyingbo 20.5
Daniel Hardy 2.1

#5 Giants
46.5
Brian Burns 21.4
Kayvon Thibodeaux 14.8
Abdul Carter 10.3

Plus the Steelers are going to have to hand Porter Jr. a large extension at some point soon. I suppose they're going to sustain it for one season, but it is still way out-of-whack compared with how the rest of the NFL operates.
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What is the most important defensive position within the Steelers scheme? Would you say OLBer?

Would you say that it is important their pass rush hits home?

Some times you have to pay to keep premium positions / players.
 
slashsteel said:
What is the most important defensive position within the Steelers scheme? Would you say OLBer?
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Yes. Would you say that the Steelers' scheme might look a bit different with an almost entirely new defensive staff?
slashsteel said:
Would you say that it is important their pass rush hits home?
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Yes. I'd also say it's important for any team's pass rush to hit home.
slashsteel said:
Some times you have to pay to keep premium positions / players.
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So the cap hit for 2026 evidently is $5.4, which brings our total to 67.5. Would you say that 3 edge rushers are so important that they should be paying out 30% more than 29 other teams do?

Next year that cap number is going to balloon to 88.3. So now we're talking a 45% premium compared to 94% of the rest of the league. Unsustainable. They'll have to get rid of one of these three premium position players anyway.

I think what I'm realizing is that it's TJ Watt's monstrous deal that is handicapping the situation. Highsmith will be the casualty next year, because Watt carries a whopping $52 million in dead cap, and it's unlikely that any team will trade for him at the age of 33 with that bloated contract.
 
topseed said:
I think what I'm realizing is that it's TJ Watt's monstrous deal that is handicapping the situation. Highsmith will be the casualty next year, because Watt carries a whopping $52 million in dead cap, and it's unlikely that any team will trade for him at the age of 33 with that bloated contract.
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There are ways around this that allow you to retain value within the organization. Read the last page of the QB thread.

slashsteel

Thread 'My way too early pimp for a QB in the 2027 draft.'

One of the attributes that drew the Steelers to Allar (pun intended) was his ability to move the chains in his best statistical season. (year prior to his injury) which was @ 40.1 percentage his first down rate.

CJ Carr (my pimping candidate) had a 42.7 percentage first down rate. (highly impressive)

In comparison Dante Moore: 37.9% & Arch Manning came in @ 30.9%.

Now obviously there is plenty other factors in determining a franchise QB. Not to lessen their impact as Moore & Manning more than likely will go 1 & 2 in next year’s NFL draft.

I think Carr has a high floor perhaps...
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i_just_dont_care said:
There are ways around this that allow you to retain value within the organization. Read the last page of the QB thread.

slashsteel

Thread 'My way too early pimp for a QB in the 2027 draft.'

One of the attributes that drew the Steelers to Allar (pun intended) was his ability to move the chains in his best statistical season. (year prior to his injury) which was @ 40.1 percentage his first down rate.

CJ Carr (my pimping candidate) had a 42.7 percentage first down rate. (highly impressive)

In comparison Dante Moore: 37.9% & Arch Manning came in @ 30.9%.

Now obviously there is plenty other factors in determining a franchise QB. Not to lessen their impact as Moore & Manning more than likely will go 1 & 2 in next year’s NFL draft.

I think Carr has a high floor perhaps...
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So...quoting that entire page means what? That the Steelers can keep these three guys on at $88 million if they go with Drew Allar at QB next year?
 
topseed said:
So...quoting that entire page means what? That the Steelers can keep these three guys on at $88 million if they go with Drew Allar at QB next year?
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No genius, that’s their hyperlink formatting. It’s on the second / last page. It’s in there.
 
i_just_dont_care said:
No genius, that’s their hyperlink formatting. It’s on the second / last page. It’s in there.
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Why don't you simply regurgitate what the hell you're getting at, shitbag? I'm not on a ******* easter egg hunt up in here.
 
topseed said:
Yes. Would you say that the Steelers' scheme might look a bit different with an almost entirely new defensive staff?

Yes. I'd also say it's important for any team's pass rush to hit home.

So the cap hit for 2026 evidently is $5.4, which brings our total to 67.5. Would you say that 3 edge rushers are so important that they should be paying out 30% more than 29 other teams do?

Next year that cap number is going to balloon to 88.3. So now we're talking a 45% premium compared to 94% of the rest of the league. Unsustainable. They'll have to get rid of one of these three premium position players anyway.

I think what I'm realizing is that it's TJ Watt's monstrous deal that is handicapping the situation. Highsmith will be the casualty next year, because Watt carries a whopping $52 million in dead cap, and it's unlikely that any team will trade for him at the age of 33 with that bloated contract.
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I would say they have the luxury to do that because of the lack of having to pay elsewhere. This year it is sustainable. Next year is next year. They will probably move a player next year.

I also will say they can do various different things with Watt. Trade him next year, tweak his contract next year. Lower the hit. His play will help dictate which avenue they take.

A difficult decision making process but a team that is one of the best at figuring out things financially.

I am not concerned I know the Steelers are fantastic at figuring out the cap. They have a long history of figuring it out and in the process have improved on the way they used to kick the cans down the road.

If the Steelers were one pass rusher short fans would be complaining about that. Count me in as a fan who is glad at the most important position on defense that the depth exists. Not every team has that luxury. I am happy for it as long as it exists. Which looks to be short term..
 
I’ve been called a lot of things, not that one. It seems excessive. It’s two pages, read the second. It all kind of fits together.
 
i_just_dont_care said:
I’ve been called a lot of things, not that one. It seems excessive. It’s two pages, read the second. It all kind of fits together.
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It also seemed excessive to mock somebody as a "genius" just for having the nerve to try and guess whatever your point was and to ask you to narrow down your argument from a full page of posts Your first response on page two of that thread was to suggest that the Giants and Steelers might make this trade:

NYG -> Kevon Thibodeaux
PIT -> Will Howard, Kaleb Johnson & Round 3 Pick (2027)

This potential trade, of course, is ridiculous in a variety of ways, but I'll start and end with the fact that it would give the Steelers a fourth edge rusher who carries his own 14.8 million dollar cap hit and will be a free agent in 2027. So I know it may come as a big surprise to you, but expecting anyone to comprehend what in God's name you're trying to express (after you started out with that nonsense) is a little presumptuous.

At this point, I just don't care.
 
slashsteel said:
I would say they have the luxury to do that because of the lack of having to pay elsewhere. This year it is sustainable. Next year is next year. They will probably move a player next year.

I also will say they can do various different things with Watt. Trade him next year, tweak his contract next year. Lower the hit. His play will help dictate which avenue they take.

A difficult decision making process but a team that is one of the best at figuring out things financially.

I am not concerned I know the Steelers are fantastic at figuring out the cap. They have a long history of figuring it out and in the process have improved on the way they used to kick the cans down the road.

If the Steelers were one pass rusher short fans would be complaining about that. Count me in as a fan who is glad at the most important position on defense that the depth exists. Not every team has that luxury. I am happy for it as long as it exists. Which looks to be short term..
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Fantastic? Kicking the cap can down the road hasn't really worked for a long, long time. It's led to 15+ years of mediocrity.

With bringing Rodgers back and the additional moves they've made, perhaps the Steelers actually believe that they have a legitimate chance to contend for a championship, and they're going all-in here in 2026.

I don't see that happening, but if that's what they think, I hope they're right.
 
topseed said:
Fantastic? Kicking the cap can down the road hasn't really worked for a long, long time. It's led to 15+ years of mediocrity.

With bringing Rodgers back and the additional moves they've made, perhaps the Steelers actually believe that they have a legitimate chance to contend for a championship, and they're going all-in here in 2026.

I don't see that happening, but if that's what they think, I hope they're right.
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That isn’t what led to mediocrity. Bad drafting on the tail end of Colbert’s career and bad coaching, lack of X and O ability. That was in the drivers seat of a decade of mediocrity. Their free agency approach wasn’t great either. Bringing in players clearly on the down side of their careers. You can get away with that if it is random not for your main approach.
 
topseed said:
It also seemed excessive to mock somebody as a "genius" just for having the nerve to try and guess whatever your point was and to ask you to narrow down your argument from a full page of posts Your first response on page two of that thread was to suggest that the Giants and Steelers might make this trade:

NYG -> Kevon Thibodeaux
PIT -> Will Howard, Kaleb Johnson & Round 3 Pick (2027)

This potential trade, of course, is ridiculous in a variety of ways, but I'll start and end with the fact that it would give the Steelers a fourth edge rusher who carries his own 14.8 million dollar cap hit and will be a free agent in 2027. So I know it may come as a big surprise to you, but expecting anyone to comprehend what in God's name you're trying to express (after you started out with that nonsense) is a little presumptuous.

At this point, I just don't care.
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You conveniently left out the second part of the post to make your statement seem valid? Well played, are you familiar with the straw-man fallacy? Right there, that’s what ya did. That’s it. Afterwards, you added in a little witty barb disguised as word play. So… you just took a page from the sleazy, untalented lawyer handbook and called me a $hit bag? Well, that’s an acceptable mistake if you’re sixteen and arguing with your post-menopausal mother, it’s ok. It’s ok when you’re drunkenly bantering with your buddies at the bar. If you’re past that point in time or forum, it’s not really excusable. Regarding this situation, I’m beginning to sweat. I better call Saul on it. You’re beginning to press. I don’t think I can handle the stress. This is getting very droll. Was that a troll? Your post was such a brilliant critique. Good one, I needed a laugh. It’s been a rough month.
 
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topseed said:
Yes. Would you say that the Steelers' scheme might look a bit different with an almost entirely new defensive staff?

Yes. I'd also say it's important for any team's pass rush to hit home.

So the cap hit for 2026 evidently is $5.4, which brings our total to 67.5. Would you say that 3 edge rushers are so important that they should be paying out 30% more than 29 other teams do?

Next year that cap number is going to balloon to 88.3. So now we're talking a 45% premium compared to 94% of the rest of the league. Unsustainable. They'll have to get rid of one of these three premium position players anyway.

I think what I'm realizing is that it's TJ Watt's monstrous deal that is handicapping the situation. Highsmith will be the casualty next year, because Watt carries a whopping $52 million in dead cap, and it's unlikely that any team will trade for him at the age of 33 with that bloated contract.
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I’d like to add that with Highsmith gone, they may still decide to restructure TJ’s contract.

The danger being his age, I don’t see his production going up enough to merit the contract as is, yet alone to compensate for his age related fall off.

The contract was a hard fault, but making it through change of it will be a hard deal too.



Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
I’d like to add that with Highsmith gone, they may still decide to restructure TJ’s contract.

The danger being his age, I don’t see his production going up enough to merit the contract as is, yet alone to compensate for his age related fall off.

The contract was a hard fault, but making it through change of it will be a hard deal too.



Salute the nation
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I think a new scheme and voice will benefit him. Hopefully, he’ll be relatively healthy. You should see a return to average when it comes to production. Greater than fourteen sacks seems reasonable. I don’t know if he’ll ever threaten the all time record again or outperform his current contract. That’s a tough one to write. It can be damned if you do or damned if you don’t.
 
topseed said:
It also seemed excessive to mock somebody as a "genius" just for having the nerve to try and guess whatever your point was and to ask you to narrow down your argument from a full page of posts Your first response on page two of that thread was to suggest that the Giants and Steelers might make this trade:

NYG -> Kevon Thibodeaux
PIT -> Will Howard, Kaleb Johnson & Round 3 Pick (2027)

This potential trade, of course, is ridiculous in a variety of ways, but I'll start and end with the fact that it would give the Steelers a fourth edge rusher who carries his own 14.8 million dollar cap hit and will be a free agent in 2027. So I know it may come as a big surprise to you, but expecting anyone to comprehend what in God's name you're trying to express (after you started out with that nonsense) is a little presumptuous.

At this point, I just don't care.
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were trading Lev Bell to cleveland for 2 firsts too.
 
no qb contract obviously allows us to do weird stuff like this. All these contracts will be off the books before we have a big QB contract unless we make a big splash in free agency next year. Paying 3 edge rushers that much is not ideal but it's manageable without the big QB contract. I think less is more with Herbig, I think once he's a full time starter he won't be nearly as good, just my opinion. Still wouldn't be shocked to see Highsmith moved.
 
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