We will not live in our fears. Just in our stupidity.

[chipped ham]

B-? What is above average about Tomlin?

Besides being an A+ bullshit artist during halftime interviews and press conferences, I don't see anything.


When you ***** out and leave the game in the hands of your porous defense without the lead, you certainly are "living in your hopes." Hey Mikey -- go hope in one hand and **** in the other, and see which one fills up first.

Pathetic.

Hit the nail on the head with this one. How many times have we heard him say "we're not living in our fears" only for him to kick the field goal near the end of the game? Wouldn't you go for the touchdown in that situation if you truly felt that way? What's more is how many times he's said about going for two this year only to chicken **** out from the 3 yard line. Also, how many times did they run the football in the 2nd half? Perhaps a couple runs drains a little more time off the clock? Or maybe we gain a few yards inside the 10 instead of heaving two passes through the endzone and then have Ben come up short on a run? Another game in a year full of "should haves."

 

[chipped ham]

Also, I think Lake seriously needs his head examined. This team has given up 966 passing yards their last 3 games and Lake said that "someone would have to be playing poorly" for them to make a change. It's looooong overdue that Boykin gets some playing time. If he comes out and isn't any better than what's out there, well then, atlwast you have left "no stones unturned."

 

[topseed]

I think Tomlin has done an excellent job keeping the team together and ready to play in the face of all the adversity that we have encountered this year.

Unfortunately because of all that adversity we simply cannot overcome in game coaching mistakes.

While everybody was blaming the kicker for the loss to the Ravens, it was Tomlin's coaching decisions that buried us. We were kicking when we should have been going for it and going for it when we should have been kicking. Exact same thing tonight. except now, we can't place the blame on some idiot kicker.

I heard some local radio guys (Starkey I think) say that Tomlin's coaching decisions have probably cost us two to possibly three games this year.....make that 4.

I still think we can run the table.......but at some point Tomlin has to learn from his mistakes.

Tomlin has kept the team together and ready to play in the face of adversity? How's that? The Steelers are 1-4 against teams with winning records. And they've managed to beat most of the dregs of the league for a change. Big ******* whoop.

The sad part is, I don't even think Tomlin believes he is making any mistakes. That's why he CAN'T learn.

 

[Lambert58]

This is also about adjustments. You heard Carroll at the end of the 1st half say that they would make adjustments and sure enough they did. They got more pressure on Ben immediately starting the 2nd half, and their receivers were obviously getting much more open. I guarantee that they saw how Blake was playing in the 1st half and went to his side in the 2nd. Paid off. Captain cool shades? Doesn't know the meaning of "adjustments".

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I walking contradiction Mr. We Live in Our Hopes is. If that is the case get rid of the kicker, get rid of the punter and go get 8 every possession Sir Dumbass...at the very least don't settle for that fearful FG at the end! Maybe he was thinking after we give them another TD we'd have time for 3 or 4 FGs, he is a clock managing master after all.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Hey, let's switch up the defense. Let's switch to a defense that almost nobody uses because offenses figured out how to beat it 10 years ago. And we'll run this defense even though we don't have the right players.

 

[Zack_of_Steel]

I have yet to jump on the **** Tomlin bandwagon, but this game changed that. Poor decision time and time again. The TD was a must go for, your planned worst case is the Hawks start inside 2 and could possibly get good field position. Carroll screamed and cried his way to his team not being called often for penalties and us being highly penalized.

Sherman mugged AB all over the field on almost every play. I counted 4 that were blatant that even Douche Bag Phil commented. Their line and ST didn't hold at all?? The worst one besides Sherman throwing AB on the ground for the interception was when DeAngelo was tacked on the 2nd down play. He was coming out of the backfield and actually tackled like he had the ball. Ref looking right at it.

Refs - just horrible, Carroll was right, you will see the changes in the 2nd half. Reversing Wheatons catch - and keep in mind the refs don't get the luxury of NBC to slow mo, freeze and go frame by frame. they watch game speed, and then over turn Landry's INT. They were just horrible and gave the game to Seattle, not that Tomlin, BLAKE and Turnovers didn't also contribute. But, with all that Steelers still should have won.

As for Blake. I have the game taped and some time off this week: if i can stomach it i am going to watch only him and chart. I think he gave up like 11 or 12 reception for i am guessing 200 yards, 4 TD's and 5 First Downs. Guy does not belong on the field. Shades continues to play 20 and 41 and they are inept.

According to PFF's preliminary charting. When the All-22 footage is released things might (often do) change.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Another point on the stupidity of the fake field goal is this. Seattle's red zone defense is among the best in the league as it was on display yesterday. Even if that gadget worked I'd bet you statistical you are less than 5 percent chance of a TD Anyhow. They are extremely stingy inside their 10.

 

[diver]

You can make a case on the field goal. Especially in light of Ben's injury. The Jones interception. C'mon dude is he your cousin. That was so ****** dumb in every light. If you want to do that have a qb as the holder because I don't imagine the Aussie punter can throw. And run a fake. That formation was so stupid. He took the snap 8 yards back.

Whoa, man, relax. I have clearly stated over the last few months I have had enough of Tomlin. It is kind of why I have stayed out of the fray on here for the most part. You know the old saying, if you have nothing nice to say...

I just think in those two situations the play was there to be made. The fake was asinine, but even in the haze of asinine it was there. And if Dupree gets his hands up. He doesn't even have to jump, just get his hands up.

It appears that the Steelers have some players, like Bryant and maybe Dupree, who are great athletes but lack feel for the game. Bryant can't high point a ball to save his life. If he does, that game is a win. And Dupree, for **** sake Dupree, recognize the QB is throwing, you are coming right in his face and try to knock the ball down. You ain't gonna make it for the sack.

I think coaches make dumb decisions all the time. On some teams the players overcome them. Not in Pittsburgh.

 

[blitzburghv5]

That trick play was another needless ploy that reversed the game completely into the hags favor. We never regained what we gave right to them. That was a major boneheaded fuckup.

That miscue didn't cost us the game...it temporarily cost us momentum but we claimed it back because we went back on top. What lost this game was blatantly horrible officiating, lack of focus to detail and assignments in the secondary, and turnovers. I said it in the game thread when we had our 2nd TO that it was a bad sign when youre losing the turnover battle. Hell at one point we had 3 TOs to their 0 and we still managed to take the lead on Wheaton TD catch.

SO, while everyone wishes to focus on that one play in the first quarter, it didn't cost us the game. But, as we like to do, we will go ahead and latch on to it and move with it as fact.

The one thing that kills a teams chances again are turnover....turnovers..... turnovers. Coaches stress eliminating them, they don't plan for them to happen We ended up with four (Ben and Landry had 2 a piece). They had zero.....You ARENT winning anywhere including Jacksonville or Cleveland with a minus-4 TO differential. If you told me we would have a neg 4 in TOs id say this was a blowout

 

[blitzburghv5]

I bet the fake field goal worked like a champ in his Madden 98 simulation that he ran between quarters..

Look....we didn't execute it....our bad...but it was well drawn. Landry just put too much air under it and made it easy for the defender to pick it. I personally would've taken the 3 points, but coach was wanting to be aggressive on the road and take the wind out of that stadium early. They never had an answer for us defensively and if not for the refs ignoring several illegal contact penalties (which is the trend when they do Seahags games) we very well could've taken this game by 4th quarter. There was that no-challenge flag, challenge anomaly the league needs to explain. That still baffles the **** out of me...................

 

[Confluence]

When Scobee was unable to complete his appointed tasks, he was relieved of those tasks.

"The standard is the standard"

I'm not saying fire Tomlin, but I am saying that in game management has cost at least 2 games this season. Changes need to happen, even if it is stifling the little voice in Tomlin's head....

This means the difference between playoffs or not, and if playoffs, home game or not.

 

[oneforthebus]

coach was wanting to be aggressive on the road and take the wind out of that stadium early

Instead he shifted the score and the momentum in the Seahawks direction and totally pumped up the crowd. A completely unnecessary risk.

 

[blitzburghv5]

Hit the nail on the head with this one. How many times have we heard him say "we're not living in our fears" only for him to kick the field goal near the end of the game? Wouldn't you go for the touchdown in that situation if you truly felt that way? What's more is how many times he's said about going for two this year only to chicken **** out from the 3 yard line. Also, how many times did they run the football in the 2nd half? Perhaps a couple runs drains a little more time off the clock? Or maybe we gain a few yards inside the 10 instead of heaving two passes through the endzone and then have Ben come up short on a run? Another game in a year full of "should haves."

Wait...hold up....!!! aren't you all the same som' ******* that complained in the past that why go away from something if it worked ? When did Seattle put the brakes on this offense ? We lined up 4-5 wide, empty backfield 70% of the game and they STILL had no answer. Heath got hurt but James and Spaeth filled in and even contributed. The refs granted Sherman mugging priviliges so that helped neutralize our best WR, yet they still couldn't stop us. Did we even see our punter the first 3 quarters ? Why run ? They couldn't stop the pass. Go with what was working........we raped that defense.

 

[Steelr4evr]

That was awful. They should take that play out of the book and ******* BURN IT!

 

[blitzburghv5]

Instead he shifted the score and the momentum in the Seahawks direction and totally pumped up the crowd. A completely unnecessary risk.

We neutralized that crowd later because we took the assault back to their defense and reclaimed the momentum..........you all can keep pointing to that one single play as the culprit. Im gonna go with the obvious reason our chances of winning that game melted away. Those 4 TOs between our 2 QBs (three that really mattered). They scored off three of those if I recall correctly. Who coaches turnovers ? Nobody does......theyre miscues....mistakes rendered by a player, but the coach gets the blame every time (im still trying to figure that ****** up logic)

I keep harping on players executing and managing the game, and im especially gonna be critical of #7. He HAS to keep mistakes to a minimum (hes among the highest compensated in the league). Ill only credit him with that one bad INT....that second one was a blatant PI/Illegal contact the refs chose to ignore. But his first INT, we were up 7, third quarter, our defense gave us 2 consecutive 3-and outs prior. He throws the pick. Seattle gains possession and scores.

4 Turnovers...Seattle took 3 of those INTs we gave em and converted em into 19 pts total... THAT was the biggest culprit in this loss. Not a trick play gaffe/miscue. We obviously recovered from that. We buried ourselves. Had we not had those miscues we would likely have rung up 600 yrds of offense on those ******* and ran away with a double digit blowout win.

It wasn't lack of scheme, it wasn't method of attack, it wasn't gambling that cost us......we gave it away....literally. Turnovers, the gift that keeps you from winning.

 

[oicu8ad]

That miscue didn't cost us the game...it temporarily cost us momentum but we claimed it back because we went back on top. What lost this game was blatantly horrible officiating, lack of focus to detail and assignments in the secondary, and turnovers. I said it in the game thread when we had our 2nd TO that it was a bad sign when youre losing the turnover battle. Hell at one point we had 3 TOs to their 0 and we still managed to take the lead on Wheaton TD catch.

SO, while everyone wishes to focus on that one play in the first quarter, it didn't cost us the game. But, as we like to do, we will go ahead and latch on to it and move with it as fact.

The one thing that kills a teams chances again are turnover....turnovers..... turnovers. Coaches stress eliminating them, they don't plan for them to happen We ended up with four (Ben and Landry had 2 a piece). They had zero.....You ARENT winning anywhere including Jacksonville or Cleveland with a minus-4 TO differential. If you told me we would have a neg 4 in TOs id say this was a blowout

I don't know. It cost a potential 10 pt swing. Instead of us getting at least a FG, they marched down & got 7. And we lost by 9.

 

[Steel G]

Look....we didn't execute it....our bad...but it was well drawn. Landry just put too much air under it and made it easy for the defender to pick it. I personally would've taken the 3 points, but coach was wanting to be aggressive on the road and take the wind out of that stadium early. They never had an answer for us defensively and if not for the refs ignoring several illegal contact penalties (which is the trend when they do Seahags games) we very well could've taken this game by 4th quarter. There was that no-challenge flag, challenge anomaly the league needs to explain. That still baffles the **** out of me...................

Yep, never had an answer, so you know what would really put the game away? Taking all of your best offensive players off the field and having the guy that started the season as the 3rd string QB throw to an offensive lineman on a play where they show the defense before the snap that they are trying this stupid ****! Brilliant!!!

I'll say this for Tomlin, he's truthful. After the bullshit trick play that blew up a great opening drive against NE, he said straight faced that he would do some stupid **** again. And sure enough, he wasn't lying.

 

[chipped ham]

Wait...hold up....!!! aren't you all the same som' ******* that complained in the past that why go away from something if it worked ? When did Seattle put the brakes on this offense ? We lined up 4-5 wide, empty backfield 70% of the game and they STILL had no answer. Heath got hurt but James and Spaeth filled in and even contributed. The refs granted Sherman mugging priviliges so that helped neutralize our best WR, yet they still couldn't stop us. Did we even see our punter the first 3 quarters ? Why run ? They couldn't stop the pass. Go with what was working........we raped that defense.

I'm all for "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." However, they were having some success on the ground as well averaging 4 yards a carry and Williams had some nice, tough runs throughout the first half. They throw the ball 51 times and rush it 14. The steelers played like they were down 21 points all game. I don't believe they ran the ball even ONE time in the entire 4th quarter. Sure, if something is working, expose the other teams ability to stop it. But don't completely abandon everything else in the process. How many third and shorts did Ben throw it 30+ yards down the field again yesterday?

 

[Punxsutawney]

As others have already pointed out, everything about that fake punt was stupid. By both putting Landry in and shifting out of punt formation pre snap, all element of surprise was negated. It really wasn't even even a fake punt by that point, as they basically replaced the first team offense with Jones and bunch of special teams players and proceeded to run an offensive play. Keep the ******* offense in there.

Seriously, that may have been the dumbest thing Tomlin has ever done on special teams, which is saying something, given that he kicked an onside kick with a four point lead in the fourth quarter some years ago

I'm honestly tired of ripping on Tomlin because the guy makes it too easy and is just asking for it on weekly basis. It's reached the point where I do not think there is any rhyme or reason behind his game strategy. He just does whatever the **** he feels like in the moment.

 

[jitter77]

That miscue didn't cost us the game...it temporarily cost us momentum but we claimed it back because we went back on top. What lost this game was blatantly horrible officiating, lack of focus to detail and assignments in the secondary, and turnovers. I said it in the game thread when we had our 2nd TO that it was a bad sign when youre losing the turnover battle. Hell at one point we had 3 TOs to their 0 and we still managed to take the lead on Wheaton TD catch.

SO, while everyone wishes to focus on that one play in the first quarter, it didn't cost us the game. But, as we like to do, we will go ahead and latch on to it and move with it as fact.

The one thing that kills a teams chances again are turnover....turnovers..... turnovers. Coaches stress eliminating them, they don't plan for them to happen We ended up with four (Ben and Landry had 2 a piece). They had zero.....You ARENT winning anywhere including Jacksonville or Cleveland with a minus-4 TO differential. If you told me we would have a neg 4 in TOs id say this was a blowout

You are right, but the fake Fg was a turnover. Not only a turnover on downs, but an Int with a good return. Until that point the defense had been playing ok at least, but that was like a 10 point swing and seemed to get them rolling.

 

[Hines57]

Penalties and non-penalties aside, we had a chance to put Seattle down early and Tomlin comes out with some bullshit fake FG. If you want to go for it, go for it with your best 11 and not some gimmick play after the quarter ends. That play not only cost us 3 points but gifted away 7, huge swing in the game.

We gave that game away. We can nibble around all the other issues with the game, we gave the ******* thing away.

Hope the FO understands the need for better players at corner this next off-season. And finally, #FreeBoykin

 

[topseed]

Wait...hold up....!!! aren't you all the same som' ******* that complained in the past that why go away from something if it worked ? When did Seattle put the brakes on this offense ? We lined up 4-5 wide, empty backfield 70% of the game and they STILL had no answer. Heath got hurt but James and Spaeth filled in and even contributed. The refs granted Sherman mugging priviliges so that helped neutralize our best WR, yet they still couldn't stop us. Did we even see our punter the first 3 quarters ? Why run ? They couldn't stop the pass. Go with what was working........we raped that defense.

Yes, go with what's working. No problem there. "Raping the defense." Sure.

Then why kick a field goal from the three-and-a-half yardline when you have the opportunity to take the lead? Either way, you've got to put your ****** defense back out there with three minutes left in the game. Why "put on the brakes" and live in your fear of failing on fourth down?

 

[Steelerfan]

Wait...hold up....!!! aren't you all the same som' ******* that complained in the past that why go away from something if it worked ? When did Seattle put the brakes on this offense ? We lined up 4-5 wide, empty backfield 70% of the game and they STILL had no answer. Heath got hurt but James and Spaeth filled in and even contributed. The refs granted Sherman mugging priviliges so that helped neutralize our best WR, yet they still couldn't stop us. Did we even see our punter the first 3 quarters ? Why run ? They couldn't stop the pass. Go with what was working........we raped that defense.

Flag! Flag! Correct phrasing is "5 Wide, *******!!!" Ten yard penalty, repeat 3rd down.

 

[Litos]

As others have already pointed out, everything about that fake punt was stupid. By both putting Landry in and shifting out of punt formation pre snap, all element of surprise was negated. It really wasn't even even a fake punt by that point, as they basically replaced the first team offense with Jones and bunch of special teams players and proceeded to run an offensive play. Keep the ******* offense in there.

Seriously, that may have been the dumbest thing Tomlin has ever done on special teams, which is saying something, given that he kicked an onside kick with a four point lead in the fourth quarter some years ago

I'm honestly tired of ripping on Tomlin because the guy makes it too easy and is just asking for it on weekly basis. It's reached the point where I do not think there is any rhyme or reason behind his game strategy. He just does whatever the **** he feels like in the moment.

I was going to write the same thing, take out Ben, Bryant, brown, Wheaton, deangelo and go with a bunch of backups for a no surprise play. Stupid all the way