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Sorry but I disagree it would be better to be up by 2 or maybe even 3 without the ball than to be down by 2 without the ball. but hey I'm no coach so what do I know.
We will not live in our fears. Just in our stupidity.
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Sorry but I disagree it would be better to be up by 2 or maybe even 3 without the ball than to be down by 2 without the ball. but hey I'm no coach so what do I know.
Are you kidding us with this ****? By that logic, it never makes sense to kick a field goal. It's better to score 7 points than 3 points, right? Here's a news flash, the 3 points were a virtual guarantee because the field goal was about as far as an "old" extra point whereas scoring a touchdown was far less certain.
These decisions are ******* complicated.
If you kick a FG instead of going for 6 in the third quarter, you know you're getting the ball back a few more times, but when you're under Three or four mins in the game, you may never get the ball back. Tomlin has gone for an onside kick before because he didn't trust his D, then he says he kicked a FG to give his defense a boost, WTF, are they 8 years old?
They were in extra point position basically, the Steelers have one of the highest 2 point conversion rates in the league, the HC preaches he would live in his fears, why did he chicken up at the critical moment?
Actually it is the receiver standing on the E that is really open. He is on Ben's sight line. He had to get it over the linebackers head and to the right of the receiver and it should be a tD. But you gotta remember he also took a very big late hit and concussion or not. he wasn't at his best. Anyone blaming Ben for the loss is in outer space. He had a bad pick when he tried to pull it back as th eplayer undercut AB. Other than that he was pretty damn great.
Definitely wasn't blaming Ben. Even though his interception when we were leading 21-14 didn't help either. My point was there were multiple plays that led to the loss not one play or decision. You win and lose as a team. Period.
Yes, but this team is asked to win with an arm tied behind its back because the coach has no real concept of how to manage a game and risk reward. There was not much reward for the risk in going for that fourth down in the first quarter. Even if you get it and are inside the 15, you have the third best red zone defense. They give up TD's at about 48%
Because Bryant dropping three deep passes played no role?? Those were just as big. There were many decisions and plays that led to the loss. Team game team loss.
First point, at least two weren't DHB type drops. At least one he went over the defender and had the ball but the guy recovered to slap the ball. But even if I give you all three, I still don't equate three physical mistakes by a young player as the same as an experienced head coach. pulling a bone head and completely flipping the momentum. Seattle did little or nothing to that point. Even if you line up in field goal and pull a fake that doesn't work (but if you are going to do that you might want to plan ahead and not have your Aussie rules punter as the holder) you are giving the ball on like their 30. But when Tomlin ***** up it isn't a little, its a boomer. That was a 10 point swing.
After the FG fiasco the Steelers recovered to take a 21-14 lead. What happened? And the drops are huge plays just as big as any decisions made, tackles missed, or picks thrown. Trying to rationalize one as bigger then the other is hard. Well for me any way. If Bryant catches the ball with his hands each time at its highest point the defender can't break it up. One of them would of been inside the 5. How big a swing is that? Team game team loss.
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The issue here is how to make sure Tomlin isn't at fault. IF all the player execute correctly then Tomlin's genius can be seen. Even if Tomlin put Cody Wallace at QB and had Shazier and Heyward at WR IF they executed the play right it would work. So it obviously isn't his fault.
Chuck Noll said numerous times it is the players who make the coach look like a genius.
I think it is childish to assign blame to one aspect of the team. Ant is right, you win and lose as a team.
I am no fan of Tomlin, and the fake was an asinine call. But sometimes players have to overcome the assery of the head coach.
Nope never said that the fake FG call sucked monkey balls. And I said that Sunday.. Should of just left the starting Offense out there and went for it which is what I said Sunday. To me the 4th quarter call is 50/50. So all that Cody Wallace at QB save it.
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They have to be put in position to make the coach look like a genius. Which is the reason many coaches lose their jobs every year. The coach is the guy responsible. He's the guy that picks the talent and sets the schemes. Especially since Tomlin obviously wanted DL gone so he could implement his tampa 2 cover scheme. It's his baby and he should be held responsible for it. He is the one that signs off on the offensive game plan. The buck should stop with him. You can't expect the players to always bail out the coach when they aren't put into position to do it.
BTW if it's always on the players then there is never a reason to fire a coach or make coaching changes. But that's just not the case.
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You may not have liked the call but you think Tomlin isn't really to blame for the loss. With you and others it is always on the players. It's never the coach.
When you can find where I said that you win the Powerball. He and the players lost Sunday. As they always do as a team.
Hey, your points are completely valid. I never said the coach was blameless. But like so much on here there is no in-between. The minute someone says something like, "As asinine as the fake FG was, if the ball is thrown better it's a 1st if not a TD," well hell, you are a Tomlin apologist.
There is no doubt though that I hold the players more responsible, though. They are the ones out there playing. What I find interesting is that if we screw up on our job, it is on us. You go around blaming the boss you won't last long. Why do we give the players so much slack? I know you have been critical of players, it is just a general observation. Why is the first reaction when something goes wrong on the field to blame a guy that isn't out on the field?
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Who does the boss's boss blame? When Cowher was here he was blamed. Same with Noll. When people talk about other teams like the clowns they don't mention the players.... they mention the owner (Brown) and whoever the coach is that week. For some reason Tomlin is untouchable to some on here. I've blamed players a ton. I've blasted players like Jones, Worilds, McClendon, ETC... so it isn't like I'm always blaming Tomlin. However when he is the one that drafted them, coached them, implemented the scheme and signed off on the game plan then I hold him responsible for the outcome.
I've worked on many projects. I've had to assemble teams. IF someone on my team screws up and the entire project is scrapped then my boss doesn't go looking for a team member. He comes to me. I'm responsible for it. I picked the team and gave them their responsibilities. I have to make sure they do what they've been assigned. Some on here want Tomlin to have all the glory when the team wins but if the offense struggles that's Haley's fault or the players. If the defense blows then it's on the players (because most wanted DL gone and Butler can't be blamed).
Tomlin isn't on the field but neither is any other coach and they get canned because his players, his schemes, his philosophy etc.. isn't working. The coach is ultimately responsible.
Anybody see Calvin Johnson just now against the Packers. Exactly what Bryant needs to do go up and catch the ball at its highest point with your hands. Defender had no chance..
Correct. The players are out there playing, trying to execute among the chaos that's happening all around them. We give players slack because they are human athletes, not robots. They cannot be expected to make the appropriate decision or perfect play every time in the heat of battle.
Coaches, on the other hand, don't have 300+ pound defensive lineman out there trying to crush them. Ever. And in my opinion, good head coaches should be ******* smart enough to make the correct and appropriate choice on the fly during an NFL game just about every single time a crucial decision arises. That's why they still get paid millions of dollars without having to put any protective gear on their bodies.
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I think reasonable fans can see that both wins and losses are a result of both the coaches strategies AND the players execution.
1.) Did Tomlin's fake FG contribute to the loss? Yes it did.
2.) Did Ben throwing an Interception in the 3rd quarter, where we were leading 7pts, contribute to the loss? Yes it did.
3.) Did the suckiness of our secondary contribute to the loss? Yes it did.
Saying we lost the game simply b/c of #1 is as unreasonable as saying Big Ben lost the game for us or "didnt come through". Its a confluence of factors.
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