Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

[slashsteel]

I work for a 100 plus year old company. The amount of ignorance from the top down is mind blowing. I'm not saying that is the case for our Steelers, but just because someone has a fancy title and some experience means zero in my book. Prove your worth year in and year out, that is what impresses me. Lately the Steelers have not impressed me.

So refurbishing in the process they managed not to go below .500.............

Sure it isn't what we expected but they weren't staring at 2 and 14 either.

Busy offseason where they at least gave themselves a fighting chance to bounce back as well.

If I am not impressed I am at least optimistic they re going in the right direction.

hi

 

[t-man]

So it's good to interview people when it is needed but not needed when it isn't needed. Thanks for clarifying that. Sorry but you can't have it both ways. Either they are important or they aren't. If you can make the comment that interviewing Mendy wasn't needed then please show me an argument for ever having an interview. See, you can't know what you don't know.

Also to those that would make the point that Mendy fell to them so they were shocked he was there: Mendy didn't fall as far as DeCastro. He was projected to go much higher and fell. But somehow they had the ability to interview him. Best I remember Mendy was never a top 10 mock pick. He was almost always outside the top 16 picks.

I think he is saying exactly what the Steelers said, they felt the value was too great to let him go even though they didn't interview him. Yes, I'd say they are important, but again, and correct me if I'm wrong, they are limited with the number of interviews they can do.

Joe

 

[t-man]

I work for a 100 plus year old company. The amount of ignorance from the top down is mind blowing. I'm not saying that is the case for our Steelers, but just because someone has a fancy title and some experience means zero in my book. Prove your worth year in and year out, that is what impresses me. Lately the Steelers have not impressed me.

How do two SuperBowls in the past 10 years grab ya? That working out okay for ya? ****, you ******* are spoiled. Yes, I wish we hadn't had the past two seasons, but we're still doing pretty damn well for losing like almost every ************* player to know what it feels like to win a SuperBowl. Sorry they haven't done it fast enough for ya, check the internet for the number of trophies in other teams cases and get back to me when you find the more successful NFL franchise you're planning to follow.

If some of you were fans in the 80's, your pistols must have misfired, because there is no way if you're having trouble dealing now, you wouldn't have shoved a gun in your mouth then.

Joe

 

[ZonaBurgh]

How do two SuperBowls in the past 10 years grab ya? That working out okay for ya? ****, you ******* are spoiled. Yes, I wish we hadn't had the past two seasons, but we're still doing pretty damn well for losing like almost every ************* player to know what it feels like to win a SuperBowl. Sorry they haven't done it fast enough for ya, check the internet for the number of trophies in other teams cases and get back to me when you find the more successful NFL franchise you're planning to follow.

If some of you were fans in the 80's, your pistols must have misfired, because there is no way if you're having trouble dealing now, you wouldn't have shoved a gun in your mouth then.

Joe

Or if you're a geezer, you might recall the great teams of the 60's under Ray Parker and Bill Austin. Good times.
Is it September yet?

 

[Vader]

I think he is saying exactly what the Steelers said, they felt the value was too great to let him go even though they didn't interview him. Yes, I'd say they are important, but again, and correct me if I'm wrong, they are limited with the number of interviews they can do.

Joe

Yes, the interviews are limited but there is more than enough to get to the people you are interested in. Also don't you think it is more important to interview players that you will be drafting in the 1st round as opposed to the other rounds? I rather do my due diligence in the 1st round. Especially since they were looking at RBs and Mendy was never going to be a top 15 pick.

 

[t-man]

Yes, the interviews are limited but there is more than enough to get to the people you are interested in. Also don't you think it is more important to interview players that you will be drafting in the 1st round as opposed to the other rounds? I rather do my due diligence in the 1st round. Especially since they were looking at RBs and Mendy was never going to be a top 15 pick.

Again I'm not a draft guy, but those who are had him rated as the second best back coming out that year- see the following page-

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56664&draftyear=2008&genpos=RB

 

[t-man]

And this one had him top 3. Again, not a draft guy, so I only know what the "experts" say.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1259

 

[t-man]

And Felix Jones was taken one pick ahead of him, oddly he ended up in a Steelers uniform before it was all said and done too. Crazy how this stuff turns out sometimes.

Joe

 

[Vader]

Again I'm not a draft guy, but those who are had him rated as the second best back coming out that year- see the following page-

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56664&draftyear=2008&genpos=RB

And Sweed was rated the 3rd best WR in that draft. So what? Mendy was never seen as a top 15 pick. He was still the 4th RB selected. Players drop all the time. DeCastro was the #1 OG and most mocks had him going easily before the Steelers selected him at 24. Many mocks had DeCastro going to KC at #11. That's a hell of a drop. Some mocks had Pouncey going to Denver at #11 instead he drops to #18. The Steelers draft guys that drop far all the time.

My entire issue with this is that people on here at times switch their positions depending how it suits their argument. Interviews weren't important in the Mendy case because the Steelers didn't interview him. It was blown off as unimportant. Now interviews are important because it is something the organization can do that regular fans can't do. I still think they are important. Not the most important but still important.

Also, I'm not a draft junkie like TMC, dobre or Del. They are much better and spend more time crunching numbers than I do. But questioning the organization is not a sin nor does it revoke a person's fan card. I know I could never work for a pro or even a semi pro football team. I'm not that guy. But people shouldn't be shouted down because they have an opinion different from other fans and the Steelers. Just because people on here don't work in football shouldn't mean that they can't dislike a pick. Most on here aren't politicians but I guarantee you almost ALL of them criticize politicians all the time. Same in any field.

 

[Superman]

Yes, the interviews are limited but there is more than enough to get to the people you are interested in. Also don't you think it is more important to interview players that you will be drafting in the 1st round as opposed to the other rounds? I rather do my due diligence in the 1st round. Especially since they were looking at RBs and Mendy was never going to be a top 15 pick.

wrong.
leading to the draft, Chicago and Detroit were both interested in Mendy.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...cago-bears-rashard-mendenhall,1,1561354.story

The odds are against Rashard Mendenhall becoming a Bear, but the team wants to get to know the Illinois running back better anyway. So he'll visit Halas Hall on Thursday in one of a series of meetings with NFL teams in advance of the April 19-20 draft.

"They're my hometown team," said Mendenhall, a Niles West graduate. "Growing up I was a Raider fan, but as I got older I was a Bears fan. It'll be cool to talk to [coach Lovie Smith]."

Mendenhall is also visiting the Bengals, Jets, Cowboys and Panthers, but not scheduling a visit doesn't mean a team isn't interested. The Lions, Texans and Bucs could also be in the market for a first-round running back.

Mendenhall, the winner of the Tribune's Silver Football as the Big Ten's MVP in the fall, helped his stock at the NFL combine with a 4.45-second 40-yard dash and could be the second running back chosen, behind Arkansas' Darren McFadden.

Just a refresher, but the Jets were drafting 6th, Bengals were drafting 9th, Panthers 13th and 19th and the Cowboys 22nd. Detroit was 17th, though, and also interested:

Lions | Team interested in Mendenhall
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:00:15 -0700
Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Detroit Lions are interested in University of Illinois RB Rashard Mendenhall

 

[Superman]

Guys taken ahead of Mendenhall:

1 Miami Dolphins Jake Long T Michigan
2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long DE Virginia
3 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan QB Boston College
4 Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
5 Kansas City Chiefs Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State
6 New York Jets Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State
7 New Orleans Saints Sedrick Ellis DT USC
8 Jacksonville Jaguars Derrick Harvey DE Florida
9 Cincinnati Bengals Keith Rivers OLB USC
10 New England Patriots Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
11 Buffalo Bills Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
12 Denver Broncos Ryan Clady T Boise State
13 Carolina Panthers Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
14 Chicago Bears Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
15 Kansas City Chiefs Branden Albert T Virginia
16 Arizona Cardinals Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State
17 Detroit Lions Gosder Cherilus T Boston College
18 Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco QB Delaware
19 Carolina Panthers Jeff Otah T Pittsburgh
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Aqib Talib CB Kansas
21 Atlanta Falcons Sam Baker T USC
22 Dallas Cowboys Felix Jones RB Arkansas

I see quite a few teams that may have wanted to re-do their draft in hindsight

 

[Vader]

wrong.
leading to the draft, Chicago and Detroit were both interested in Mendy.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...cago-bears-rashard-mendenhall,1,1561354.story


Just a refresher, but the Jets were drafting 6th, Bengals were drafting 9th, Panthers 13th and 19th and the Cowboys 22nd. Detroit was 17th, though, and also interested:

Lions | Team interested in Mendenhall
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:00:15 -0700
Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Detroit Lions are interested in University of Illinois RB Rashard Mendenhall

Maybe you should read your own article?

The odds are against Rashard Mendenhall becoming a Bear, but the team wants to get to know the Illinois running back better anyway.

There are always stories about pro-teams and their home grown stars. Doesn't mean anything. The Lions were drafting 17th as you stated. But others like the Bleacher report didn't even have Mendy in the 1st round. Most did but at varying positions.

 

[Vader]

Guys taken ahead of Mendenhall:

1 Miami Dolphins Jake Long T Michigan
2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long DE Virginia
3 Atlanta Falcons Matt Ryan QB Boston College
4 Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
5 Kansas City Chiefs Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State
6 New York Jets Vernon Gholston LB Ohio State
7 New Orleans Saints Sedrick Ellis DT USC
8 Jacksonville Jaguars Derrick Harvey DE Florida
9 Cincinnati Bengals Keith Rivers OLB USC
10 New England Patriots Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
11 Buffalo Bills Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
12 Denver Broncos Ryan Clady T Boise State
13 Carolina Panthers Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
14 Chicago Bears Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
15 Kansas City Chiefs Branden Albert T Virginia
16 Arizona Cardinals Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State
17 Detroit Lions Gosder Cherilus T Boston College
18 Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco QB Delaware
19 Carolina Panthers Jeff Otah T Pittsburgh
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Aqib Talib CB Kansas
21 Atlanta Falcons Sam Baker T USC
22 Dallas Cowboys Felix Jones RB Arkansas

I see quite a few teams that may have wanted to re-do their draft in hindsight

Yes, but I doubt many would draft Mendy any higher. I'm sure the Steelers would change their draft as well.

 

[Superman]

you're splitting hairs now, Vader.

 

[Superman]

Chris Johnson was never going to be a Top 15 pick either.

 

[t-man]

Yes, but I doubt many would draft Mendy any higher. I'm sure the Steelers would change their draft as well.

This is the exact ******* reason I asked for IN THIS ************* THREAD a list of the 10 guys people would have taken ahead of archer. It's just so ******* easy to look back and say "well, obviously this team shouldn't have taken that guy, they should have taken THIS guy" but very, and I do mean, very ******* few people get it right on draft day.

Do you know why that is? Cause it's a fuckload easier to look back and ***** and ******* moan about the guys you should have taken, than it is to name those ******* guys the same day the Steelers have to name their guys.

That's why it's so frustrating to keep reading year after year about this pick or that pick, and as time goes on we get "I knew we should have taken *insert unknown ******* jackhole name here who is now tearing it up" instead of the guy we took, he was still on the BOARD!!!!"

Joe

 

[t-man]

Oh, and since this has now morphed into "maybe I could pick a guy better than that other guy" from the actual archer thread, this thing might actually go to 200 ******* pages. I guess we'll see.

Joe

 

[antdrewjosh]

I never said interviews were not important. Ive always matained that the steelers probably felt the value was too high to pass on..

 

[Wingman]

This is the exact ******* reason I asked for IN THIS ************* THREAD a list of the 10 guys people would have taken ahead of archer. It's just so ******* easy to look back and say "well, obviously this team shouldn't have taken that guy, they should have taken THIS guy" but very, and I do mean, very ******* few people get it right on draft day.

Do you know why that is? Cause it's a fuckload easier to look back and ***** and ******* moan about the guys you should have taken, than it is to name those ******* guys the same day the Steelers have to name their guys.

That's why it's so frustrating to keep reading year after year about this pick or that pick, and as time goes on we get "I knew we should have taken *insert unknown ******* jackhole name here who is now tearing it up" instead of the guy we took, he was still on the BOARD!!!!"

Joe

Actually, I thought your post was a very good idea. Since I did not see a bunch of guys I wanted ahead of him that were still there I may have not posted one. It would be nice to have the guys that really go into the draft evaluations to post their guys for later review. It might be nice to start a post draft mock for next year during the draft. When the steelers pick if anyone wants to they can pick someone else out of who is left all through the draft. Might be interesting to see who stays the same and who changes as well as how many guys are busts.

 

[ark steel]

I never said interviews were not important. Ive always matained that the steelers probably felt the value was too high to pass on..

I don't know if it was you or someone else that posted that a Mendy interview wasn't as important because someone on the Steelers' staff had worked with Mendy at Illinois. I also don't know if the information was accurate.

 

[TAS]

This is the exact ******* reason I asked for IN THIS ************* THREAD a list of the 10 guys people would have taken ahead of archer. It's just so ******* easy to look back and say "well, obviously this team shouldn't have taken that guy, they should have taken THIS guy" but very, and I do mean, very ******* few people get it right on draft day.

Do you know why that is? Cause it's a fuckload easier to look back and ***** and ******* moan about the guys you should have taken, than it is to name those ******* guys the same day the Steelers have to name their guys.

That's why it's so frustrating to keep reading year after year about this pick or that pick, and as time goes on we get "I knew we should have taken *insert unknown ******* jackhole name here who is now tearing it up" instead of the guy we took, he was still on the BOARD!!!!"

Joe

Maybe you should start a pom pom thread for Archer instead of throwing a fit about people debating on a message board. Save your blood pressure for something more important.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I don't know if it was you or someone else that posted that a Mendy interview wasn't as important because someone on the Steelers' staff had worked with Mendy at Illinois. I also don't know if the information was accurate.

Wasnt me because I didnt know that. Sitting here trying to think back and i dont remember that tidbit so i dont think it was me.

 

[slashsteel]

Hardy cloned mofukahs ! !

I'm like a birdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

 

[Vader]

This is the exact ******* reason I asked for IN THIS ************* THREAD a list of the 10 guys people would have taken ahead of archer. It's just so ******* easy to look back and say "well, obviously this team shouldn't have taken that guy, they should have taken THIS guy" but very, and I do mean, very ******* few people get it right on draft day.

Do you know why that is? Cause it's a fuckload easier to look back and ***** and ******* moan about the guys you should have taken, than it is to name those ******* guys the same day the Steelers have to name their guys.

That's why it's so frustrating to keep reading year after year about this pick or that pick, and as time goes on we get "I knew we should have taken *insert unknown ******* jackhole name here who is now tearing it up" instead of the guy we took, he was still on the BOARD!!!!"

Joe

Then why are you upset about people not like Archer BEFORE he has played? Yes, it is always easy to look back but that isn't what we are doing with Archer. But I get tired of ******* jackholes that don't watch any college football, don't watch any players and know absolutely nothing about the players drafted arguing with people that actually do those things. Some think because the Steelers drafted them they must be good draft picks. Again I've said all along that if the clowns had drafted him they'd be creamed on here. But those same people that would deride another team are 100% on board with Archer for no other reason than the Steelers drafted him.

I'm sorry if I don't change my opinion of a player just based on the team that drafted him. I hated Vince Young before he was drafted. If the Steelers had drafted him I still would have hated it. I liked Shazier before the draft and I liked him after the Steelers drafted him. Back in 2004 I wanted Ben over Rivers. I hated Rivers and wanted Cowher to STFU about him. When Ben fell to them I couldn't believe it. If they had drafted Andrews I would have drive to Pittsburgh and punched Cowher in the face. It would have been stupid IMHO. But people on here would say how great it was just because the FO and coaches know what they are doing.. blah blah blah....

 

[ark steel]

Hmm, mostly, it isn't that we think the coaches and FO can't do anything wrong. Rather, we don't consider every move they make that doesn't match up with our expectations to be completely stupid with no forethought whatsoever.

Some of us have even said that we said the we wouldn't have taken Archer, either. Because the Steelers did, we assume they had some idea of the player and expectations. Or, as I said earlier, maybe they were napping in the War Room and someone said "Hey, you are up", they sorted their spreadsheet by combine 40-times and came up with Archer.