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Tomlin sucks thread 11/6/16

YOU stated that when we blitzed we left Burns ON AN ISLAND with Wallace with Cover 3 behind him. You have been proven wrong 6 ways to Sunday.

Go back and read I not once used the term on a island. Alex koroza did in the video. I said he was one on one.
 
Ok? Were you able to glean any wisdom??

Did you gain any when Harrison and Ben said the coaching prep has been the same as when they win?
 
Go back and read I not once used the term on a island. Alex koroza did in the video. I said he was one on one.

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hmmmmm, "sloppy practices", eh, Leveon?? I wonnnderrr who's in charge of the standard to which the team trains...hmmmmmmm........whoooo could that beeeee........:confused1:

and it's telling that this is coming from one of our premier players coming out and saying it, not some "unnamed source" that turns out to be some 3rd string yeyhoo.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/11/leveon-bell-says-even-practices-sloppy/

That just about concludes this situation. All that does fall on Tomlin then
 
When you blitz you leave the secondary especially the corners on islands with no help. You think they are ready for that.

I thought you never said the words ON ISLANDS...

Maybe I need to work on my reading or something.
 
I thought you never said the words ON ISLANDS...

Maybe I need to work on my reading or something.

That was posted prior to any discussion on the play in question and your response wasn't to that either
 
That was posted prior to any discussion on the play in question

What the **** ever. You are like the annoying 8 year old kid that cannot ever admit that he is wrong, will argue just to argue, and then denies or flip flops as to what they did or didn't say to try and confuse the point.
 
QUOTE=antdrewjosh;301887]http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/11/watch-steelers-vs-ravens-initial-analysis/

Listen and watch.

The 95 yard TD was on a fire zone blitz.[/QUOTE]


Was or was your not your reply directed at this??
 
QUOTE=antdrewjosh;301887]http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/11/watch-steelers-vs-ravens-initial-analysis/

Listen and watch.

The 95 yard TD was on a fire zone blitz.


Was or was your not your reply directed at this??

Nope, never even opened it. Was too busy laughing at your comment that blitzing leaves our CB's on an island.
 
QUOTE=antdrewjosh;301887]http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/11/watch-steelers-vs-ravens-initial-analysis/

Listen and watch.

The 95 yard TD was on a fire zone blitz.


Was or was your not your reply directed at this??[/QUOTE]
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But its funny that someone else beside me referred to playing man to man coverage as on a island I posted numerous quotes saying the same but only your opinion matters. So if you opened it watched the video that's exactly what the guy on the video says
 
But its funny that someone else beside me referred to plays man to man coverage as on a island I posted numerous quotes saying the same but only your opinion matters. So if you opened it watched the video that's exactly what the guy on the video says

Well then it MUST be true since you found a video saying it! Sorry, but it's not accurate in the slightest regardless of who reverberates it. On an island means no help over the top, this has been proven false 10 times now. Now you want to argue semantics since you were shown to be incorrect. :nono:
 
Well then it MUST be true since you found a video saying it! Sorry, but it's not accurate in the slightest regardless of who reverberates it. On an island means no help over the top, this has been proven false 10 times now. Now you want to argue semantics since you were shown to be incorrect. :nono:

Proven false where?? You are stating your opinion that it requires no over the top safety help..that's you.


To play a man defense well in the NFL, you need talented cornerbacks and linebackers that are athletically capable of dropping back in coverage.[1] You're leaving cornerbacks alone on an island so they need to have enough speed to make sure that they won't be burned down field, but they also need to be physical enough to play bump-and-run and to tackle receivers after the catch.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-relative-advantages-of-man-vs-zone-defenses-in-the-NFL

Yet another example posted that describes as one on one defense with out the caveat of having no one over the top
 
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Proven false where?? You are stating your opinion that it requires no over the top safety help..that's you.


To play a man defense well in the NFL, you need talented cornerbacks and linebackers that are athletically capable of dropping back in coverage.[1] You're leaving cornerbacks alone on an island so they need to have enough speed to make sure that they won't be burned down field, but they also need to be physical enough to play bump-and-run and to tackle receivers after the catch.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-relative-advantages-of-man-vs-zone-defenses-in-the-NFL

Yet another example posted that describes as one on one defense with out the caveat of having no kne over the top

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Oh ok so the coaching is the same on the road as it is at home. Glad we established that. So now can we accept the fact that "the same" approach on the road doesn't work? Maybe MT needs to take his stubborn head out of his ***, stop trying to play the whole "every game is just a game" bullshit. If your team always sucks on the road, then approach road games differently. Stop being a dumbass
 
Oh ok so the coaching is the same on the road as it is at home. Glad we established that. So now can we accept the fact that "the same" approach on the road doesn't work? Maybe MT needs to take his stubborn head out of his ***, stop trying to play the whole "every game is just a game" bullshit. If your team always sucks on the road, then approach road games differently. Stop being a dumbass

And what exactly would that entail..what should be done differently? Be specific
 
And what exactly would that entail..what should be done differently? Be specific

I don't know why I have to do all the work. I'm not the one getting paid $7M a year.

But since you asked, I've given this opinion a few times now regarding yesterday. My thought from yesterday is that the offensive coaching had a terrible game plan that played right into the strength of the defense and simultaneously prevented the QB from knocking the rust off after missing time. I felt yesterday they should have come out with an array of high percentage passing plays on early downs to get Ben into a rhythm and give him confidence. The Ravens strength is their run D anyway. Even if Ben were healthy, we should have approached this game with a pass-first mentality to help open things up for Le'Veon. With Ben needing to knock the rust off, we DEFINITELY needed to do that. The offensive game plan was a complete failure.

So if I'm the guy making $7M a year, I look at our poor play on the road, and I look at the fact that, admittedly, the coaching is "the same" for both home and road games, I'm asking "what can I do differently for road games as opposed to home games?" My answer is a greater focus on getting our QB confidence EARLY in the game, and a greater focus on game-planning the opponent. I believe that this coaching staff is very stubborn, and at times arrogant, and forces what THEY want to do believing that they can impose their will on the opponent. At home, this tends to work. Our offense is a well-oiled machine at home and we are often able to move up and down the field with ease playing OUR game doing what we came in wanting to do. But maybe, if you're going to switch up your philosophy on the road, you take less focus off what YOU want to come in and do, how YOU think YOU will impose your will, and focus instead on to a more nuanced and detailed analysis of what the opponent is likely to give you. For instance, the Ravens have the 2nd best rush D in the league yet we ran Bell straight into the teeth of the defense OVER AND OVER. Meanwhile, against the Dolphins who have the 4th WORST run D in the league, Ben threw 34 passes and Le'Veon had 10 carries. And the game was pretty close throughout the entire first half and even thru some of the 3rd. We were not forced to throw. But Le'Veon was barely involved. Why? Do we have no awareness of the opponents weaknesses? Remember when Belichick used to dink and dunk us and not even attempt a run for an entire game because he knew spreading us out was how to beat us? If you observe that you don't impose your will on the road the way you do at home, then you learn what that opponent is likely to give you and you kill them thru 1,000 cuts of whatever is their weak point. And if that doesn't work, be prepared to adjust what you are doing instead of stubbornly continuing to pound your head against the wall doing what isn't working.

I believe I have satisfactorily answered your question. Now if you would please humor me and do the same, what would need to happen on the field for you to blame Tomlin for something? We all know bad challenges, bad clock management, or a bad 4th down decision is on the head coach, so I'm hoping you don't take that low-hanging fruit.
 
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I've heard being on an island as man to man coverage. Revised Island. But usually people don't get as specific to say whether the safety has help over the top of not .
 
It might work. I mean if the refs don't see it that is. Tomlin could be the extra defender. Sans Jacoby Jones incident


He (Tomlin) didn't know what the **** to do then so what makes you think he knows now???




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I don't know why I have to do all the work. I'm not the one getting paid $7M a year.

But since you asked, I've given this opinion a few times now regarding yesterday. My thought from yesterday is that the offensive coaching had a terrible game plan that played right into the strength of the defense and simultaneously prevented the QB from knocking the rust off after missing time. I felt yesterday they should have come out with an array of high percentage passing plays on early downs to get Ben into a rhythm and give him confidence. The Ravens strength is their run D anyway. Even if Ben were healthy, we should have approached this game with a pass-first mentality to help open things up for Le'Veon. With Ben needing to knock the rust off, we DEFINITELY needed to do that. The offensive game plan was a complete failure.

So if I'm the guy making $7M a year, I look at our poor play on the road, and I look at the fact that, admittedly, the coaching is "the same" for both home and road games, I'm asking "what can I do differently for road games as opposed to home games?" My answer is a greater focus on getting our QB confidence EARLY in the game, and a greater focus on game-planning the opponent. I believe that this coaching staff is very stubborn, and at times arrogant, and forces what THEY want to do believing that they can impose their will on the opponent. At home, this tends to work. Our offense is a well-oiled machine at home and we are often able to move up and down the field with ease playing OUR game doing what we came in wanting to do. But maybe, if you're going to switch up your philosophy on the road, you take less focus off what YOU want to come in and do, how YOU think YOU will impose your will, and focus instead on to a more nuanced and detailed analysis of what the opponent is likely to give you. For instance, the Ravens have the 2nd best rush D in the league yet we ran Bell straight into the teeth of the defense OVER AND OVER. Meanwhile, against the Dolphins who have the 4th WORST run D in the league, Ben threw 34 passes and Le'Veon had 10 carries. And the game was pretty close throughout the entire first half and even thru some of the 3rd. We were not forced to throw. But Le'Veon was barely involved. Why? Do we have no awareness of the opponents weaknesses? Remember when Belichick used to dink and dunk us and not even attempt a run for an entire game because he knew spreading us out was how to beat us? If you observe that you don't impose your will on the road the way you do at home, then you learn what that opponent is likely to give you and you kill them thru 1,000 cuts of whatever is their weak point. And if that doesn't work, be prepared to adjust what you are doing instead of stubbornly continuing to pound your head against the wall doing what isn't working.

I believe I have satisfactorily answered your question. Now if you would please humor me and do the same, what would need to happen on the field for you to blame Tomlin for something? We all know bad challenges, bad clock management, or a bad 4th down decision is on the head coach, so I'm hoping you don't take that low-hanging fruit.

Actually I was referring to what they should do differently pertaining to what they do to get ready for home games vs the road.

And in another thread I already went thru this run run pass that is somehow being thrown as what happened yesterday. I will post it here too one sec.

First play of the game was a empty set pass intended looks like for Bell. Then two running plays.

Second drive first play dive to Bell second run play to Bell.
Third Ben threw into double coverage.

Third drive first down empty set James drops a pass. Second play Ben changes the play. Play action to Johnson first down. Next play empty set delay of game. Then empty again pass to james 6 yards 2 & 9. Penalty false start 2 & 14. Shotgun screen pass to Bell. 3 & 4 draw play to Bell.

4th drive first play pass to Brown in the middle of three Ravens pass interference. 1& 10 shotgun pass to Bell. 2 & 9 Run with Bell picked up 3. 3 & 6 shotgun empty pass thrown at Coates feet.

5th drive 1st play run play penalty on Bell Facemask. 1& 25 shotgun empty pass to James. 2 & 18 shotgun empty pass to Rogers almost picked off by Mosley. 3 & 18 shotgun deep ball to Coates.

6th drive after the Sharmarko penalty. 1st play on their own 7 Run play to Bell. Second & 8 Run play to Bell. 3rd and 8 shotgun pass check down to Bell short of the first down.

7th drive 3:31before half 1st play quick screen pass Brown. 2 & 5 shotgun draw play for 3. 3rd & 2 shotgun Ben audible to a pitch penalty false start. 2:00 minute warning 3 & 7 swing pass to Bell incomplete.

Second half

1st drive 1& 10 shotgun run to Williams. 2 & 9 shotgun quick screen to Brown. 3 & 5 shotgun deep pass overthrow Coates for a TD

2nd drive 1 &10 shotgun pass batted ball at line of scrimmage interception.

3rd drive 1 & 10 down 13-0 now under center run to Bell after audible loss of 4. 2 & 14 Run to Bell. 3rd and 12 Shotgun pass into double coverage to Brown



4th drive 1 & 10 pass to Bell almost intercepted by suggs. 2 & 10 pay action no one open scrambled hit James called back for illegal formation. 2 & 15 shotgun quick pass to Rodgers. 3 & 8 shotgun pass to Brown thrown behind him. Blocked punt.

No huddle the rest of the way I guess stopped watching

When you don't execute it looks like conservative stalling when in actuality the Steelers threw a lot
 
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Actually I was referring to what they should do differently pertaining to what they do to get ready for home games vs the road.
Well yeah that's exactly what my post was answering. At home, prepare to go out and do your thing and impose your will. On the road, prepare more specifically to the opponent and taking what they are likely to give based on their strengths and weaknesses, rather than forcing what YOU want to do

And of course, in both cases, be a lot more flexible and nimble during the game with adjustments when plan A isn't working
 
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