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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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antdrewjosh said:
Hey idiot the game will be replayed on the NFL network if you're interested. I know you like to get all your info from the game from the yahoo game simulcast
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LOL. Because I need intensive views and re-views to know that a 24-3 second half is troubling.
 
Vader said:
Your 2nd description of the play:



Make up your ******* mind.
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Im sorry I assumed you already had read the first one. Didnt know you just jumped right in on page 150
 
Tibs said:
And the bopsie twins - Vader & Idioteque - keep fuming, mired in their absolute hatred for a Steelers player. Those veins in your forehead are gonna pop if you keep this up through the season. Better watch out, Archer is gonna bust open a play one of these games, and may even score a touchdown at some point. I hope your head doesn't explode.
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Nobodies veins are popping. Rainey scored Tds as well and nobody cared. Troy Edwards did as well. But keep patting yourselves on the back like children. Must be hell for you watching Archer get hurt in less than one full NFL game.
 
antdrewjosh said:
But what is 27-3 first half
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I call it an absurdly uneven game that we won on a last-second FG. At home. Against one of the dregs of the NFL. With Brian Hoyer at QB. And the top RB, WR, and TE missing all or most of the game.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Im sorry I assumed you already had read the first one. Didnt know you just jumped right in on page 150
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So you thought I'd seen the first one so it was ok to describe the play totally differently the second time?
 
antdrewjosh said:
My first description of the play
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Idioteque said:
I call it an absurdly uneven game that we won on a last-second FG. At home. Against one of the dregs of the NFL. With Brian Hoyer at QB. And the top RB, WR, and TE missing all or most of the game.
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but... you wouldn't know since you didn't watch the game.
 
Vader said:
So you thought I'd seen the first one so it was ok to describe the play totally differently the second time?
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But i did.i just didnt go into as much detail cause um you know I already did that..
 
is this how it looked on your TV, idiot?
same as all other games, right?

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antdrewjosh said:
But i did.i just didnt go into as much detail cause um you know I already did that..
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So you left out the TD part as a "detail"? It isn't just a detail. You changed the entire play. The last time you talk about it you say "IF" Ben wasn't under pressure it would have been a TD. Totally different that what you said first.
 
It would have been a TD if Ben didnt have to scramble. Your reading two qoutes separately. I assumed you already saw the first. Now that you know are we going to argue semantics or the play.
 
Would you care to tell us what you saw on the play Idioteque? We will wait patiently.
 
I've seen the play. I watched the game. I didn't see him double covered. I saw a LB drop into coverage and cover the TE. I saw the WRs single covered. I saw the safety stay in the middle of the field. At no time did I see Archer doubled. Not from that angle.
 
BTW if the clowns are dumb enough to double cover a guy that has produced zero in the NFL and leave one of the best WRs in the game one on one then that says something about them as a defense. My guess is that they were playing a single high safety. Archer ran into his area. I admit I'm not familiar with the clowns defense but I can't imagine them intentionally leaving Brown one on one like that.
 
antdrewjosh said:
My first description of the play
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Vader said:
BTW if the clowns are dumb enough to double cover a guy that has produced zero in the NFL and leave one of the best WRs in the game one on one then that says something about them as a defense. My guess is that they were playing a single high safety. Archer ran into his area. I admit I'm not familiar with the clowns defense but I can't imagine them intentionally leaving Brown one on one like that.
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which is what we're saying happened. that angle doesnt show the play like CBS did during the game, but Brown was WIDE open at the same time Ben had to scramble. The safety behind him had moved towards the opposite side of the field where Brown was running. Clearly a mistake on his part, as you said. The only Steeler in that area was Archer.
 
The safety left the middle of the field to help over the top on Archer's wheel route. The reciever to the inside(Brown) ran a post and was wide open. Ben was unable to pull the trigger because the protection had broken down. He eventually ended up hitting him on the scramble drill.
 
Superman said:
which is what we're saying happened. that angle doesnt show the play like CBS did during the game, but Brown was WIDE open at the same time Ben had to scramble. The safety behind him had moved towards the opposite side of the field where Brown was running. Clearly a mistake on his part, as you said. The only Steeler in that area was Archer.
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I have no problem believing that. I'm not sure it shows they were afraid of Archer. Could have been a blown assignment or the safety was playing his zone. I have no idea. I've seen the Steelers triple cover players before because they don't know what to do. Especially last year when they had a rookie ILB. I watched Troy, Timmons and Vince all collapse to cover one TE.
 
antdrewjosh said:
The safety left the middle of the field to help over the top on Archer's wheel route. The reciever to the inside(Brown) ran a post and was wide open. Ben was unable to pull the trigger because the protection had broken down. He eventually ended up hitting him on the scramble drill.
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Like I said, that could have been his assignment or he could have ****** up. I have no way to know. I just know that before the play none of the WRs were doubled and the safety was deep. So I'm assuming that he'd take the deep WR.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/80667/steelers-dri-archer-has-sprained-ankle

Sprained ankle but Thomas has the strained Achilles. Playing Monday morning QB and stating Archer should not have came out is easy today but for all we know the coaches said if you get the ball and think you can make a play, do it. That first kick return that was called back because of a BS block in the back call ( I got TiVo and it was horse crap reffing) if Archer does that it gets the offense pumped, the crowd into the game, relaxes the play calling, so I can see why you let him go for it. I am glad it is just a sprained ankle and I assume because of the short week he is a no go Thursday but lets hope he can go a week from Sunday and razzle dazzle at Carolina.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Would you care to tell us what you saw on the play Idioteque? We will wait patiently.
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I didn't see the game yet. That's why you haven't yet seen me discuss what I saw in the game.

But I can get all the Xs and Os I need from my SportsCentury DVD interviews, so I'm not worried!
 
Vader, I know you want facts, to point to and review, but watching the game on TV gives too small of a window to accurately see how putting Archer in motion effected the entire Browns Defense. I'm at the game and I have an endzone view. That D was tripping over themselves to get into position to cover Archer. It was the reason why the first screen to Bell was wide open in the right flat. It was because Archer motioned left and drew the center of the field with him, making the inside linebackers unable to get into position for the screen to be delivered. The TD has already been documented here.

Perhaps we stalled in the 2nd half because Archer was hurt, and we lost our ability to create mismatches? That may be a reach, but their D was pinning their ears back and rushing us when he wasn't out there.
 
Thank you Cope, that's what I saw when Archer was on the field. They moved him around a bit and it seemed the D was definitely keying in on him. Thank you for substantiating what I saw with a first hand view.
 
Hard to create mismatches in the second half when we run, run, pass, punt. They weren't even good running plays, just runs up the gut into the teeth of the defense. Putting us in obvious passing situations, it wouldn't have mattered if Archer was out there or not. I highly doubt the Browns were more worried about Archer than they were about Brown, Miller, or Bell...three actual PROVEN NFL talents. We completely went away from the plays that were working in the first half, it wasn't that they weren't working, it was that they weren't called.
 
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