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Tomlin Deserves Credit

Plummer wasn't rated as round 1 guy, that would've been a huge reach. And you're not going to take a QB when Kordell looked pretty good.

That's all I'm saying, you look where we drafted, in rounds 1 and 2, there weren't any QBs we passed on that we're good. And honestly, there wasn't a real reason to even look for a QB high until 1999

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and whomever rated Chad Scott as a 1st rounder likely had Artie Burns as a first rounder, too.
 
That's completely arguable. Miami didn't spend their time and resources building ANYTHING to compliment Marino's passing. They didn't ever put together a true and consistent running game, nor did they ever draft a blue-chip running back. Their defense was never extraordinary. The Dolphins, (The Great Shula included) had a first ballot hall of famer and they didn't do the work to build a dynasty around him.

Actually, through blind luck, the Steelers have done better with Roethlisberger. At least they stumbled into one of the 5 best wideouts to ever play the game, they also have invested and coached up the offensive line to basically turn any running back with a strong will and the ability to see follow a pulling guard into pro-bowlers.

Miami absolutely wasted Marino's career. No doubt about it. The Steelers likely would never have allowed Marino to flourish in the first place. They were committed to power football and smothering defense. Marino was a shiny bauble to them.

exactly. a QB wasn't that essential piece of the offense that would have pushed the team over the top, per Cowherlosphy.
ground and pound
three yards and a pile of dust
 
Cowher's team his last season when he quit was 8-8. Im sure the fans on this board was trying to drive him out as well. Its the common theme for some fans, we lose and its the coaches fault.
One could point out that this was the year that Ben was recovering from his motorcycle collision and more importantly the year Cowher found out his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

He DID mail it in that year. It sure felt that way anyhow. And frankly, given the info we now have, I don't much blame him. But yes, many many many people were extremely disappointed in that season and in Cowher. We had no context for the epic falloff except for the fact that Ben had wrecked. In hindsight though, if you'll remember, the Steelers were the 6th seed in that superbowl. They were NOT a rip-roarin' tear it up team. They just got red hot and basically were on a mission to get Bus a ring. If you take off the rose-colored glasses, perhaps the fall from the SB champion season to the next was NOT quite so great.
 
Supe, I believe if you look in the archives, it was Chaz who talked with Marino pre-draft and ultimately told him, "Look Son, you're a hell of a QB, but your talents just wouldn't work out here."

It was the Great One who ultimately determined Marino was not Steeler Material, not Cowher.
 
Supe, I believe if you look in the archives, it was Chaz who talked with Marino pre-draft and ultimately told him, "Look Son, you're a hell of a QB, but your talents just wouldn't work out here."

It was the Great One who ultimately determined Marino was not Steeler Material, not Cowher.

i wasn't referring to Marino. my point was Cowher didn't covet a QB as much as us fans do/did.
 
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And finally, in case you've all forgotten it in your euphoric "P*t beating" giddiness...

Tomlin had to bring in a coach to explain to him and the team the basic fundamental approach to beating the cheaters that we drunk, dumb ***** have been screaming about for years!

Tomlin did NOT outcoach hoody. Tomlin just got the **** out of the way of a hired gun who said, "What, are ya stupid?" And Tomlin couldn't help himself, he still ran several 2 DL fronts yesterday.

He is NOT a decent coach. He could NOT refrain from making a stupid challenge and wasting a timeout. He could NOT manage the 1st half such that Ben had a chance at the end of the half to make something happen. However those 2 timeouts he took into the halftime locker undoubtedly gave him a few extra minutes on his 'Pay-As-You-Go' phone.

He chose to put the leagues worst kicker on the field against the cheats. He watched that kicker shank another short field FG. Then he put the same head case kicker back onto the field to attempt a 48 yarder. Miraculously Boswell missed his shank and accidentally hit it straight through. (Cause honestly, he's ******* balls at shanking. Clearly he ****** up the shank boot on that long one.)

No, I'm not going to give Tomlin one iota of respect until he wins a SB with the talent he has assembled. And I can't even begin to comprehend he won't **** that up. But, we have his insightful and uplifting press conferences to look forward to every week.

Honestly, I'm ******* offended at the title of this thread.
 
I have to agree with Wig, I've said it before, it's going to take at least two playoff wins this year for me to even think he has a clue. Now that I know we have brought outsiders to coach and council players I may be more convinced of his noncoaching ability.
 
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Now you want to give Tomlin credit when in reality he is the one who got the Steelers in the position to have to win every game to realistically even get in the play offs. Tomlin starts Burns because is ego was against a plyer that allowed a score, how did that work a wide open receiver equals TD. Tomlin brings in a linebacker coach this week, he brings in a kicker this week. Where was this type action earlier in year? Tomlin continues to show Steeler Nation he should be replaced, remember the big speech of why Ben did not come in game earlier, we were playing in rhythm, Tomlin has had talent and he continues to put the Steelers in a must win and see situations. WOW we pat him on the back because they will have a winning season no matter what, that is what the fans want gee we had a wining season with all the talent on this team on offense. . Lets ask why in the world was Rogers in this game which one out of position rote caused Rogers to be in the way of Brown, interception. We have all these TE's seldom used, all these receivers and Rogers is on the field. Typical call by Tomlin.
 
Chard Scott to Artie Burnt to Deon Disfigures to Crezdone Butler to Senquez stolesome to Cortez Fallen to Joe Burntyet.

A rich lineage of suck.

Slash, you see why I hedge on drafting a DB early? I would put more emphasis on what we draft well v trying to land a dart blindfolded. Lets hope we can get a decent DB in UFA and draft a different position of need.
 
Now you want to give Tomlin credit when in reality he is the one who got the Steelers in the position to have to win every game to realistically even get in the play offs. Tomlin starts Burns because is ego was against a plyer that allowed a score, how did that work a wide open receiver equals TD. Tomlin brings in a linebacker coach this week, he brings in a kicker this week. Where was this type action earlier in year? Tomlin continues to show Steeler Nation he should be replaced, remember the big speech of why Ben did not come in game earlier, we were playing in rhythm, Tomlin has had talent and he continues to put the Steelers in a must win and see situations. WOW we pat him on the back because they will have a winning season no matter what, that is what the fans want gee we had a wining season with all the talent on this team on offense. . Lets ask why in the world was Rogers in this game which one out of position rote caused Rogers to be in the way of Brown, interception. We have all these TE's seldom used, all these receivers and Rogers is on the field. Typical call by Tomlin.

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Now you want to give Tomlin credit when in reality he is the one who got the Steelers in the position to have to win every game to realistically even get in the play offs. Tomlin starts Burns because is ego was against a plyer that allowed a score, how did that work a wide open receiver equals TD. Tomlin brings in a linebacker coach this week, he brings in a kicker this week. Where was this type action earlier in year? Tomlin continues to show Steeler Nation he should be replaced, remember the big speech of why Ben did not come in game earlier, we were playing in rhythm, Tomlin has had talent and he continues to put the Steelers in a must win and see situations. WOW we pat him on the back because they will have a winning season no matter what, that is what the fans want gee we had a wining season with all the talent on this team on offense. . Lets ask why in the world was Rogers in this game which one out of position rote caused Rogers to be in the way of Brown, interception. We have all these TE's seldom used, all these receivers and Rogers is on the field. Typical call by Tomlin.

Rogers played solid yesterday and did not run a wrong route, we run that same play all the time. The ball hit AB in his hands, if he makes the catch it's an easy first down and Rogers is essentially running a pick.
 
Slash, you see why I hedge on drafting a DB early? I would put more emphasis on what we draft well v trying to land a dart blindfolded. Lets hope we can get a decent DB in UFA and draft a different position of need.

Wholeheartedly agree with this, play to your strengths. We have better luck getting free agent DBs over the years than drafting. Hilton, Haden, Mitchell, Clark etc. so draft what we draft well and use the Bell money to get the secondary help we need and maybe a linebacker. I really think we are only a couple of players from a strong if not dominating defense, for whatever that really means in today's NFL. We get one fast smart ILB and one more really good corner and I think we can live or even thrive with the rest of what we have. Two ILBs and a corner would be ideal. I know some will hate me for this but I don't hate what we have in Davis, Edmunds and Allen. I am not sold on Burnett so maybe one more safety for depth.
 
One could point out that this was the year that Ben was recovering from his motorcycle collision and more importantly the year Cowher found out his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer.



https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/02/bill-cowher-wife-melanoma-prevention


About four years before Kaye’s diagnosis, Bill retired from coaching and joined CBS as a pregame analyst. He and Kaye moved to Raleigh, N.C., with their three daughters, where he fought off rumors about returning to coaching for years.
 
the only metric between the three coaches I've known in my lifetime is superbowl wins/loses

Chuck: 4/0
Bill: 1/1
Mike: 1/1

everything else is conjecture
 
Hard to believe I was wrong. [sarcasmFont] it happens so rarely! [/sarcasmFont]
 
Hard to believe I was wrong. [sarcasmFont] it happens so rarely! [/sarcasmFont]

That has been a common misconception on this board for a while (the diagnosis timing, not you being fallible....)
 
That has been a common misconception on this board for a while (the diagnosis timing, not you being fallible....)

Part of the reason for the misconception is that there was an article written (maybe ESPN Magazine) after she passed that said that she first noticed the mole changing colors in the summer of 2008, but did not have it looked at and removed until Feb. 2010.
 
Part of the reason for the misconception is that there was an article written (maybe ESPN Magazine) after she passed that said that she first noticed the mole changing colors in the summer of 2008, but did not have it looked at and removed until Feb. 2010.

Well, 2008 is still after he retired....
 
Going to stir the pot here and change topics but why does Tomlin get so much heat because our defense? Why? Because he was a DB coach? The guy played WR in college. Also, just because you coached on defense that means whatever you coached needs to be the best? What about Jason Garrett being a great offensive mind but can’t score any point on the Colts. I think anyone that has issues with Tomlin will nitpick anything he does wrong to prove their point.
 
It's a retarded argument that you can't back up with anything other than what if's. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl, guess Don Shula wasted his prime years away too. Ben has been to three Super Bowls, won two of them (two of them with Tomlin, the talent waster himself). Most franchises haven't even seen that type of success. Yet here we are, spoiled as hell as a fan base, bitching and moaning because we haven't been back to the Super Bowl in 8 years. Bunch of ******* thin skinned crybaby's on here making **** up to fit their agenda's.

Ah, yes, the ol' Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl argument...yes, you guessed correctly -- Shula did waste Marino's prime years. There is no "what if" about that. Shula was a much better coach earlier in his career, who won championships by running the ball and playing great defense. He and Marino were never really a good fit together.

What's "retarded" is that you can't seem to understand why people compare Cowher with Ben versus Tomlin with Ben, when Ben is the only thing close to a constant over that period of time. I didn't "what if" a goddamn thing, I pointed out their records. You're the crybaby who won't accept the facts.
 
Going to stir the pot here and change topics but why does Tomlin get so much heat because our defense? Why? Because he was a DB coach? The guy played WR in college. Also, just because you coached on defense that means whatever you coached needs to be the best? What about Jason Garrett being a great offensive mind but can’t score any point on the Colts. I think anyone that has issues with Tomlin will nitpick anything he does wrong to prove their point.

Because he was a DC before he came to the Steelers, because he has morphed this defense into a modified Tampa-2 (which he ran in Minnesota and also under Dungy in Tampa), and because every media outlet in the burgh has commented on the fact that Tomlin has his thumbprint all over this defense. I think some people just absolve him of any accountability or responsibility for anything he does, no head coach has ever been responsible for less than what Tomlin is.
 
Well, 2008 is still after he retired....

Sorry, I meant 2006, I was typing on my iphone earlier...never a good combination.
Also, I think it was SI that ran the article talking about Melanoma and Cowher's involvement with early detection causes now, stating that she had discovered the mole in 2006 but didn't seek treatment to have it removed until 2010 because of discomfort.
 
Ah, yes, the ol' Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl argument...yes, you guessed correctly -- Shula did waste Marino's prime years. There is no "what if" about that. Shula was a much better coach earlier in his career, who won championships by running the ball and playing great defense. He and Marino were never really a good fit together.

What's "retarded" is that you can't seem to understand why people compare Cowher with Ben versus Tomlin with Ben, when Ben is the only thing close to a constant over that period of time. I didn't "what if" a goddamn thing, I pointed out their records. You're the crybaby who won't accept the facts.
I've stated facts over and over again, but they get ignored. But whatever, call me what you want. It doesn't effect me one bit. You're just a name on the internet that's sitting at home not coaching nfl football just like me. It's opinion.

Here is a more comparable fact. Cohwer was 5-1 in the playoffs with Ben in three years. Tomlin was 3-1 his first three years.

What do they both have in common? Super bowl wins. But hey, let's just assume that Cohwer would have continued to have the exact same results if he had stayed. That's fair right?

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Going to stir the pot here and change topics but why does Tomlin get so much heat because our defense? Why? Because he was a DB coach? The guy played WR in college. Also, just because you coached on defense that means whatever you coached needs to be the best? What about Jason Garrett being a great offensive mind but can’t score any point on the Colts. I think anyone that has issues with Tomlin will nitpick anything he does wrong to prove their point.

Re: the Cowboys, I heard that was the first time they've been blanked since like 2005.
 
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