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Can a defensive player win the Heisman Again? Coolie Pimps Ed Oliver

Steeltime said:
Coach: He was 287 lbs. at the combine, and the pro-day report lists his weight at 281 lbs.

A guy weighing 280+ lbs, running a 4.73 40, with that shuttle time? And who actually played well in college, as opposed to a lot of workout warriors?

He is going early. Top 10 early? Not sure, but he is a damn fine prospect at this point.
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I think it was network that said he was a top ten talent. I think that pro-day will alleviate some concerns. I say he still goes top ten.
 
https://www.sbnation.com/2019/3/28/18285842/ed-oliver-pro-day-combine-draft-stats

I had to chuckle at the end of this....

NFL DRAFT

COLLEGE FOOTBALL
Ed Oliver’s awesome workout stats, put in terms all of us can understand

Sort of like a Madden create-a-player, but in real life.

By Alex Kirshner@alex_kirshner Updated Mar 28, 2019, 3:51pm EDT
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Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver is an absurdly good athlete, in the same way grass is absurdly green and water is absurdly moist. At Houston, the defensive tackle was a generational sort of talent, and he’s likely going to be great in the NFL, too.

I don’t know if all of us mortals have appropriately considered just how good an athlete Oliver is, though. Some numbers from his NFL Combine and pro day, two events spread most of a month apart in March, might illustrate that best for all of us. Combine numbers are league-verified, while pro day numbers come from Oliver’s college team, via reporter Sam Khan Jr. We can’t be scientific about those, other than to say they sound good.

Size-wise, Oliver is basically Aaron Donald.
Donald at the 2014 combine: 6’1, 285 pounds
Oliver at the 2019 combine: 6’2, 287 pounds

In the 40-yard dash, Oliver is basically Arian Foster.
Foster at the 2009 combine: 4.69 seconds
Oliver at his pro day, reportedly: 4.73 seconds

In the bench press, Oliver is basically Ndamukong Suh.
Suh at the 2010 combine: 32 reps
Oliver at the 2019 combine: 32 reps

In the shuttle run, Oliver is basically Le’Veon Bell.
Bell at the 2013 combine: 4.25 seconds
Oliver at his pro day, reportedly: 4.22 seconds

In the three-cone drill, Oliver is basically Jason Pierre-Paul.
Pierre-Paul at the 2010 combine: 7.18 seconds
Oliver at his pro day, reportedly: 7.15 seconds

In the vertical jump, Oliver is basically Von Miller.
Miller at the 2011 combine: 37 inches
Oliver at the 2019 combine: 36 inches

In the broad jump, Oliver is J.J. Watt or Amari Cooper
Watt at the 2011 combine: 120 inches
Cooper at the 2015 combine: 120 inches
Oliver at the 2019 combine: 120 inches

I’m not a fancy NFL Draft analyst, but I feel confident writing this letter now:
Dear Arizona Cardinals
(ATTN: Kliff Kingsbury),

Draft this man first overall, and then go have a snack.

Best,
Alex
 
not that I really think he will go there...but Arizona does have a visit set up for him


Mark Berman
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Gruden has to see Warren Sapp when he looks at Oliver. He knows how important that inside pass rush is and how hard it is to find. We don't know Mayock's draft preferences yet but it seems that Gruden is the guy running the show. No way they would have brought in Mayock unless he saw eye to eye with Gruden.
 
so is a guy lined up at NT supposed to do what Oliver (#10) does here??


 
has anyone suggested maybe we draft Oliver and put him at ILB?
if not, I'm going on record as saying we should draft Oliver and put him at ILB.

you read it here, FIRST.
 
Superman said:
has anyone suggested maybe we draft Oliver and put him at ILB?
if not, I'm going on record as saying we should draft Oliver and put him at ILB.

you read it here, FIRST.
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That would be awesomely great ... but no way he lasts to pick 20. No freaking way.
 
Steeltime said:
That would be awesomely great ... but no way he lasts to pick 20. No freaking way.
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Maybe we can move up to 19, regardless of if he’s there or not. Pretty sure he won’t make it past 20.
 
Olivet could become the best D player in the NFL, then convert to QB, break all qb records and, as long as he is drafted 11th, Coach will say he was right all along.
 
As I had said a long time ago, if he was there at 1.20, would the STEELERS actually take him???? I'm leaning towards he could be a hell of a ILB but would have a year learning curve so NOT imeadiately impact but, I'd start him there from the get go and HOPE he proves many wrong.





Salute the nation
 
If you're the Raiders, you now have to plan to defend Pat Mahomes for then next 10+ years. You can get outside pass rushers, but an inside rusher like Oliver is hard to find.

Inside pressure is far more disruptive than outside pressure. You can use a TE on a DE/OLB. You can roll the QB away from outside pressure. Plus, it's simply a further distance to go from the edge than it is up the middle. And maybe the biggest thing is the QB will immediately see inside pressure and move off his spot, throwing off the timing of most plays.

Raiders should draft Oliver. They can get an outside rusher later.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
If you're the Raiders, you now have to plan to defend Pat Mahomes for then next 10+ years. You can get outside pass rushers, but an inside rusher like Oliver is hard to find.

Inside pressure is far more disruptive than outside pressure. You can use a TE on a DE/OLB. You can roll the QB away from outside pressure. Plus, it's simply a further distance to go from the edge than it is up the middle. And maybe the biggest thing is the QB will immediately see inside pressure and move off his spot, throwing off the timing of most plays.

Raiders should draft Oliver. They can get an outside rusher later.
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the last mock I read had them taking him at #4
 
Drink IRON City said:
As I had said a long time ago, if he was there at 1.20, would the STEELERS actually take him???? I'm leaning towards he could be a hell of a ILB but would have a year learning curve so NOT imeadiately impact but, I'd start him there from the get go and HOPE he proves many wrong.





Salute the nation
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I would hope if he fell that far, the Steelers would take him. since they love that 2 DL formation he could be in as ILB and it would be like having a third DL out there....

but unless some story breaks about him doing weed or something, I don't see that happening
 
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Drink IRON City said:
As I had said a long time ago, if he was there at 1.20, would the STEELERS actually take him???? I'm leaning towards he could be a hell of a ILB but would have a year learning curve so NOT imeadiately impact but, I'd start him there from the get go and HOPE he proves many wrong.





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You take a guy like that. And then change your scheme to a 4/3. I don't think you can park on his last year's performance any more than you can Bosa's. For the coaches in this world who love statistics. For the rest you know at his best he was doubled and game planned for. He is pure talent waiting to be molded. Sure in his last year he could have found himself trying not to get hurt some. Happens to a lot of that kids for better or worse. I don't think he fits every scheme but so what. The scheme he does fit will appreciate his talent. A top 5 talent, I still don't see him making it past 10. We'll see.

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slashsteel said:
You take a guy like that. And then change your scheme to a 4/3. I don't think you can park on his last year's performance any more than you can Bosa's. For the coaches in this world who love statistics. For the rest you know at his best he was doubled and game planned for. He is pure talent waiting to be molded. Sure in his last year he could have found himself trying not to get hurt some. Happens to a lot of that kids for better or worse. I don't think he fits every scheme but so what. The scheme he does fit will appreciate his talent. A top 5 talent, I still don't see him making it past 10. We'll see.

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Last season the guy who would swap out and play NT while Oliver moved to DT got hurt in the first game. That left only a really light weight guy behind Oliver so he was forced to play almost exclusively at NT where it is easier to double or triple team a player. Then Navy hit him with several chop blocks and finally messed up his knee. I really think if the season hadn't been going so poorly for UH he could have come back and played sooner, but that is just my opinion, I am not on the training staff so I don't know for sure.
 
Gotta wonder.....Coach probably has that acid taste in his mouth right now.


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slashsteel said:
I know you have watched a ton more tape than any of us on this prospect, but I think that is his best attribute. And a reason why he won't make it out of the top ten.

You can't couch that type of burst into a player.
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his quickness allows him to him the offensive player first and get his hands set and use leverage to defeat bigger guys. It also allows him to shoot the gaps and be in the backfield before the OL reacts.

The quickness and his non-stop motor make him a force from anywhere on the DL.
 
draft ed Oliver and were going to get sick of winning. we would win so much all of us will be on here complaining about winning too much. you draft Oliver and play him off the line same way the cowboys used randy white. that formation was actually a STEELER formation. Ernie shautner was a hof Pittsburgh steeler and invented his version of the inside stunt. Joe Greene came up with his own version of "the steeler stunt". randy white was dominate in college but like Oliver was view to be too small for pros. but the cowboys saw something and drafted him. shautner was the cowboys defensive coordinator and put white in a position to be just as dominate in the NFL. that's what great coaches do. in the cowboy "flex" defense, shautner used a formation whereas the tackle plays "off" the line which lets him go up and down the line defending the run and or stunt on pass plays. it keeps the guards off of him. so he is able to use his quickness to his advantage. the last year the 70's steelers beat the cowboys in the superbowl, randy white had one of the greatest seasons a defensive lineman ever had in the NFL. had over 100 tackles 15 sacks. he was like having an extra linebacker, defense end as well as a defense tackle in the game. coaches are tasked to put players in a position to be great and one of the greatest steelers of all time did that with white. I'm afraid the steelers of now lack the skill, the will, or the balls to draft a guy like Oliver go back to style of 4-3 defensive football that put 4 superbowls in the trophy case and put the great men that won those trophies into the hall of fame... no they don't want that they just want to sit there with their thumbs in their aarse and talk about it!!!! have a happy easter steeler nation!!!!!
 
the only problem with your post is that it is unlikely that Oliver lasts long enough to make it feasible for the Steelers to make a move to get him.

well that and the fact that the post is very hard to read
 
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