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Interesting.
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This is a good read on how the virus acts in the body....
http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb
http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb
He has an overtly political agenda that he's not shy of talking about, but you (anybody) tell me what he was wrong about that in that video and I'll listen. IV vitamin C, what a ******* difficult concept to grasp.
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Based on what? The numbers haven’t come anywhere close to projections in either cases or deaths. Apparently, Americans no longer die of cancer or heart disease. Andrew Cuomo even admitted that. But yeah, Coronavirus deaths are probably being under-reported. I have seen nothing that supports under reporting.
I've heard NYC doctors say that in a span of 3 weeks, they have people dying of heart attacks and strokes at not even a quarter of the normal rate. Same with pneumonia and influenza; actually that's virtually none.
Strange ain't it?
After everything that's come out recently, you still believe this? Italy admitted to inflating their Covid-19 deaths by including those with serious comorbidities (to put that lightly). And now we're starting to see the curtain pulled back here.
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Directly form nurses on three different boards my wife and daughter are on. Although the difference plus or minus is negligible to the missing statistics from china. From multiple sources they have under reported deaths in wuhan by at least 30,000 plus are a lot more.
As far deaths form other sources some of those are probably deaths from this virus that killed them before other things could so yeah it lowers those statistics because it takes out the weakest first and quicker. That doesn't mean it is not the cause. With people not working maybe they are not as likely to have a heart attack granted that is pure conjecture. Lots of things we need to look at but I would at least take a look at Ohio's numbers and say they are pretty accurate or low. The easiest way to support that hypothesis is how many people have died from this that it wasn't diagnosed, particularly early. We may have many more cases than we know if you go with the theory this has been here longer and was part of the bad flu deaths this year.
Where's Trog or Tibs?
I'd be curious to know if they could point out which story is true and which one is false and or horribly misleading.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/karen-whitsett-trump-hydroxychloroquine-saved-my-life
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-man-after-trump-touts-chloroquine-phosphate
I'd be curious to know if they could point out which story is true and which one is false and or horribly misleading.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/karen-whitsett-trump-hydroxychloroquine-saved-my-life
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-man-after-trump-touts-chloroquine-phosphate
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No they did not admit to inflating it they said that if a patient with a comorbidity had coronavirus and died they reported it. If I have a serious comorbidity but get coronavirus and die would I have died if I did not get it? Very possibly at least not as fast. I am sure there are some exceptions but I have no problem with that being the way it is reported. My wife just had an entire lecture on that in her nursing class and they were pretty much in agreement on that unless it was from something like an accident or shooting oneself, it is a hard call to make in many circumstances.
I look at it as an easy thing for those want to say it is overblown to ***** about but it is a scientifically relevant stat. Not many people die directly form the disease to begin with it is secondary infections and issues caused by the disease. That doesnt mean it is not the cause.
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People really should be called out and punished for the lying through their teeth in headlines. It makes me sick particularly since so many mouth breathers don't read or verify what they read.
my cousin's son who is ultraliberal tried to throw that fucktards death out at me as proof that President Trump was ******* up and promoting dangerous "cures". When I told him the guy took tank cleaning chemicals and not prescribed medicine he disappeared from the argument....
it was obvious he had only read the headline and not the article
So forget everything we are talking about right now, let's look at just some very recent statistics of influenza:
"The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began counting the 2017–2018 "flu season" as October 2017, and by early February 2018, the epidemic was still widespread and increasing overall. By February 2018, the CDC said that the circulating virus strains included both B strains (Yamagata and Victoria), H1N1 and H3N2.[6] On 10 February 2018, Fortune reported that influenza in the United States was killing up to 4,000 Americans a week."
"The 2017–2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths."
So if this ends up killing 60,000 Americans, what exactly is the difference from the above? Why the lockdown of almost the entire country and the unemployment of tens of millions of citizens?
"The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began counting the 2017–2018 "flu season" as October 2017, and by early February 2018, the epidemic was still widespread and increasing overall. By February 2018, the CDC said that the circulating virus strains included both B strains (Yamagata and Victoria), H1N1 and H3N2.[6] On 10 February 2018, Fortune reported that influenza in the United States was killing up to 4,000 Americans a week."
"The 2017–2018 flu season was severe for all US populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths."
So if this ends up killing 60,000 Americans, what exactly is the difference from the above? Why the lockdown of almost the entire country and the unemployment of tens of millions of citizens?
I know!!
To crash an economy get millions dependent on government assistance, and attempt to sway voters.
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Right now this is killing up to 2,000 people a day in the US not a week. With no vaccine or final approval on a treatment and a worse respiratory component. That is the difference for what it is worth and that is with a lock down.
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Exactly.
Some people just LOVE Kool-Aid.
What we need to see is how the death rate in the U.S. over the past three months compares to the same three months of the past 5-10 years. Why isn't anyone asking that question?
So if a person with advanced heart disease, and a history of multiple cardiac events, tests positive for Covid with mild or no symptoms and dies of a heart attack..... Counting that as a Covid death is a LIE, plain and simple. No matter what nursing boards are told by the people that rule over them.
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You are truly overestimating how much something like that is happening. They are NOT testing most people if there is not a clinical reason reason to with the lack of testing available. Seriously that is what makes the argument stupid.
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Nothing I said there was opinion, it was all fact and no judgements were made. So not you did not fix anything. The deaths per day are a factual statistic the respiratory distress being different for this disease is a fact and there is no vaccine or broadly approved treatments yet.
I gave nothing other than facts as we know them.
Where are you getting that this is killing 2,000 people a day? Because from my research (and yes I'm not an expert), there are a total of 20,283 deaths (by the John's Hopkins tracker) and the first death was reported 43 days ago by the CDC.
That is an average of 471 people per day, and that's with this bullshit comorbidity tally. Again, what happened to the number of heart attack deaths, stroke deaths, pneumonia and influenza deaths all of a sudden?
I understand you have family working on the front line, but that doesn't take away the facts.
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From where? I just cited where I got my facts from, where are yours from?
his ***.............
They are not testing most people because a good majority of them don't need it and don't need to be hospitalized due to this virus. Again, California is the most populated state in the country, yet there are maybe 600+ deaths due to this virus. 40 million people. 600+ deaths.
Please tell me that you realize something doesn't add up here.
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i read that blood tests are being developed that can test if you have antibodies, meaning it can tell if you already had it and are no longer at risk to infect others. That would be a game changer as it would allow people to get tested and go back to work.
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I said now killing up to not averaging over the entire course as we don't know what that will be yet. Today reported so far 1720 yesterday 2035. Same place I have gotten all my numbers and posted a link to before.