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The Coronavirus thread

Yinzerlyn said:
Not to mention what is called MASK-ne...or acne where the mask touches your face. Several of my older (Im talking 50s and 60s) coworkers have recently started breaking out! They haven’t had zits in decades! Another thing to consider is the development of infants and toddlers socially. Kids respond to smiling and facial expressions. If they can’t see your mouth to smile, they don’t know if it’s a time to be happy or not. I’ve noticed so many toddlers and babies out who are scared of the masks.
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So many unintended consequences to this madness. Hand washing is ancient wisdom and does no harm.
 
AZ just announced that all bars, gyms, water parks, movies theaters and tubing closed for the next 30 days.

Apparently thousands in a Walmart is still OK.

And the start of the school year is delayed.
 
Just got a text from my coworker. I’m in Oregon on vacay. She told me that as of Friday, July 3, EVERYONE wears masks EVERYWHERE- no exceptions. I bet my summer school job is cancelled and they delay starting school in August now. **** Laura Kelly and **** Kansas.
 
Stoney said:
Viruses are minute, they'll pass right through most porous fabrics like bandanas and t-shirts. They're not only present in large droplets. In fact, large droplets will fall out of the air quickly, whereas the fine mists that pass through porous fabrics will linger in the air longer, so those fabrics are basically useless.
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Obviously viruses are minute, but as you just alluded to, they leave our body on droplets, so the size of the virus size isn't as important as the size of the droplets. Droplets that leave the body have a wide range various masks, whether it is an N95 mask or a cloth mask has various levels of ability to reduce the range of these droplets. You combine the mask with social distancing and the risk factor greatly decreases. Let's not ignore that large droplets come out of the mouth even when just talking.

Steelworth said:
You're right. That's why only N95, N99 & N100 masks are really the only masks that would make a dent in spreading this virus. I know you're quite aware of this already, but they have special filters that can block a particulate (I'm not sure off the top of my head how small), but they block transmission to a degree. I've heard that the N95 mask will block approx. 80% of particulates (again, not sure how small) so don't quote me on that.
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I won't quote you on that because 95% of particles are blocked, which is why its classified as N95.

And Steelerfan448, virologists are not wearing masks, they are wearing those suits you see in the picture you quoted. Surgical masks are different from N95 respirators in that they're mainly keeping the surgeon from infecting the patient they are operating on. Surgical procedures can really take a toll on the immune system of a person.

And I would listen to Stoney on this stuff.
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Obviously virologist wear significantly better safety equipment, but they idea is you do what you can to protect yourself from airborne particles. As far as Stoney goes, does Stoney study diseases? Otherwise, I will defer wear I get my information to the experts who do this for a living.

Steelworth said:
You know what else are crappy illnesses? Influenza, mumps, measles, chickenpox, shingles etc. And you don't see any mandates surrounding those illnesses. And yes, most of those you won't die from, but you sure as hell can die from influenza.
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I got vaccines for those diseases and I'd expect that everyone else would get a vaccine as well to reduce the risk of spreading the disease to others. Almost like wearing a mask will reduce the risk of spread.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

There are several strands of evidence supporting the efficacy of masks.

One category of evidence comes from laboratory studies of respiratory droplets and the ability of various masks to block them. An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth. Another study of people who had influenza or the common cold found that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduced the amount of these respiratory viruses emitted in droplets and aerosols.

But the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Another study looked at coronavirus deaths across 198 countries and found that those with cultural norms or government policies favoring mask-wearing had lower death rates.

Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.
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It's simply about risk reduction and if all it takes is to social distance, wash your hands, and wear a mask to reduce the spread, I just don't understand why that is such a challenge for some.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Obviously viruses are minute, but as you just alluded to, they leave our body on droplets, so the size of the virus size isn't as important as the size of the droplets. Droplets that leave the body have a wide range various masks, whether it is an N95 mask or a cloth mask has various levels of ability to reduce the range of these droplets. You combine the mask with social distancing and the risk factor greatly decreases. Let's not ignore that large droplets come out of the mouth even when just talking.



I won't quote you on that because 95% of particles are blocked, which is why its classified as N95.



Obviously virologist wear significantly better safety equipment, but they idea is you do what you can to protect yourself from airborne particles. As far as Stoney goes, does Stoney study diseases? Otherwise, I will defer wear I get my information to the experts who do this for a living.



I got vaccines for those diseases and I'd expect that everyone else would get a vaccine as well to reduce the risk of spreading the disease to others. Almost like wearing a mask will reduce the risk of spread.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent



It's simply about risk reduction and if all it takes is to social distance, wash your hands, and wear a mask to reduce the spread, I just don't understand why that is such a challenge for some.
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Because we are Americans. Not Asians. Asian culture subsumes the the individual into the collective. By American tradition, individual liberty is protected against the tyranny of the majority.

Just a much more libertarian mindset.

However, I'm willing to wear a mask in certain contexts on the basis that "we then are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves, for even Christ pleased not himself."

That is where I depart with libertarian philosophy at a point. I do want to be left alone, but I also have some obligation to the group so to speak.

I'm in a Sunday School class with several elderly members. It's their call, not mine as to whether I wear a mask in that sense. But, when we start talking about making something a national policy then it needs to be based upon sound fact and science. They've been all over the map and the disinformation has caused much of the jitters in the populace. It's possible to "have a zeal, but not according to knowledge." For the overwhelming most part, cloth masks in reality are only a mass Reassurance Ritual at best to calm the anxieties of the mentally more affected among us, IMO.

At worst, it's another entity probing the lines of how much a free people will comply with collective diktats.
 
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**** masks.
 
I wish govt employees that mandate this crap put plastic bags over their head. I read it protects better than masks.
 
I was watching the news this evening while getting a haircut (finally!!!), and the talking head said something like 'Iowa is one of only four (four?!?!) states to not have mask mandates." I thought are you kidding me? It seemed unbelievable to me. Then I heard that Kim Reynolds is refusing to shut things back down. I thought hell yeah! That's my governor! She has completely exceeded my expectations. I saw her give a speech when my eldest was a freshman at ISU and I wasn't very impressed at the time. Was I ever wrong about her!
 
Steelin said:
I was watching the news this evening while getting a haircut (finally!!!), and the talking head said something like 'Iowa is one of only four (four?!?!) states to not have mask mandates." I thought are you kidding me? It seemed unbelievable to me. Then I heard that Kim Reynolds is refusing to shut things back down. I thought hell yeah! That's my governor! She has completely exceeded my expectations. I saw her give a speech when my eldest was a freshman at ISU and I wasn't very impressed at the time. Was I ever wrong about her!
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There are a few beacons of common sense in this whole farce.
 
From shitbook:

Share the hell out of this.
1. Joe Biden isn’t winning.
2. Neither is Bubba Wallace
3. Black lives DO matter.
4. What happened to George Floyd should never happen again.
5. All cops aren’t bad, nor are they all racist.
6. Brown lives matter
7. Rioters and looters have nothing to do with George Floyd. (And should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law)
8. Unborn black lives matter
9. ALL unborn lives matter.
10. Colin Kaepernick is Not a Hero
11. CNN isn’t news (nor is msnbc)
12. Elizabeth Warren is Not Indian
13. Facebook Only Censors Conservatives.
14. ALL lives do matter (red, yellow black and white, they are precious in His sight)
15. COVID 19 is being used to gauge just How Much of our Freedoms they can take away.
16. All fear is Fueled by the Media.
17. God is Still in Control
18. Epstein did Not kill himself.
19. Nascar did though...
20. There is NO White Privilege �� I worked my A$$ to get what I have
21. LIFE is What YOU Make of it!
22. Nobody owes me.
23. No one owes YOU!
 
Because we are Americans. Not Asians. Asian culture subsumes the the individual into the collective. By American tradition, individual liberty is protected against the tyranny of the majority.
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Dude, it's a piece of fabric. I have real concerns about things like forced quarantines, banning travel between states, closing down businesses. Having to wear a piece of cloth on your face to help slow the spread of a disease is not tyranny, any more than having to wear shoes in public places is.
 
oneforthebus said:
Dude, it's a piece of fabric. I have real concerns about things like forced quarantines, banning travel between states, closing down businesses. Having to wear a piece of cloth on your face to help slow the spread of a disease is not tyranny, any more than having to wear shoes in public places is.
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But you shouldn't "have to" to wear them as a blanket policy forced by the government Just a few months ago, they told you not to wear them. Were they that ignorant then vs now? There are also possible unintended consequences heath-wise wearing them for some.

I say, "keep your laws off my body." I'm pro-choice with masks. Let me make the appropriate decision for each context.

Principles shouldn't go out the window in the name of collective hysteria.
 
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SojournerSteel said:
But you shouldn't "have to" to wear them as a blanket policy forced by the government Just a few months ago, they told you not to wear them. Were they that ignorant then vs now? There are also possible unintended consequences heath-wise wearing them for some.

I say, "keep your laws off my body." I'm pro-choice with masks. Let me make the appropriate decision for each context.

Principles shouldn't go out the window in the name of collective hysteria.
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Yes, they were ignorant. It's a new virus and they have learned a lot about how it is transmitted, and how it isn't transmitted.

Granted, the original recommendations were a lie, because they didn't want people hoarding medical masks. Fauci as much as admitted that.

Which doesn't change the reality that this virus seems to be spreading most in indoor places where people are not wearing face coverings. Literally dozens of people getting it in a single bar or restaurant. At parties where no one is masked. Maybe you want to ignore that, but if it keeps spreading like it is right now everything's going to close back up again so if you really care about "freedom" you'd wear a freaking mask.
 
oneforthebus said:
Yes, they were ignorant. It's a new virus and they have learned a lot about how it is transmitted, and how it isn't transmitted.

Granted, the original recommendations were a lie, because they didn't want people hoarding medical masks. Fauci as much as admitted that.

Which doesn't change the reality that this virus seems to be spreading most in indoor places where people are not wearing face coverings. Literally dozens of people getting it in a single bar or restaurant. At parties where no one is masked. Maybe you want to ignore that, but if it keeps spreading like it is right now everything's going to close back up again so if you really care about "freedom" you'd wear a freaking mask.
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I honestly don't have a problem wearing a mask in businesses that I frequent. What I do have a problem with is the media hysterically acting like this virus will kill everyone if we don't comply to the agenda they are pushing.
Everything is a negative narrative, and nothing reported on the number of recoveries and survival rates. Even with a vaccine, that I'm sure won't be found until after the election, this virus, like all others, isn't going to disappear.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
I honestly don't have a problem wearing a mask in businesses that I frequent. What I do have a problem with is the media hysterically acting like this virus will kill everyone if we don't comply to the agenda they are pushing.
Everything is a negative narrative, and nothing reported on the number of recoveries and survival rates. Even with a vaccine, that I'm sure won't be found until after the election, this virus, like all others, isn't going to disappear.
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If the Dimocrats actually believed the fake news polls that show Biden way ahead Covid and the riots would be gone by now.
 
oneforthebus said:
Yes, they were ignorant. It's a new virus and they have learned a lot about how it is transmitted, and how it isn't transmitted.

Granted, the original recommendations were a lie, because they didn't want people hoarding medical masks. Fauci as much as admitted that.

Which doesn't change the reality that this virus seems to be spreading most in indoor places where people are not wearing face coverings. Literally dozens of people getting it in a single bar or restaurant. At parties where no one is masked. Maybe you want to ignore that, but if it keeps spreading like it is right now everything's going to close back up again so if you really care about "freedom" you'd wear a freaking mask.
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And nothing of the mass shoulder to shoulder protests? You're honing in on businesses and private gatherings while the hordes are amassing a mass bioweapon in 60+ US cities by the same logic.

The protests and media reaction revealed the farce for all to see. The freedom-robbing double standards at work.

Why are young beach-goers shamed for an "outdoor activity," while antifa and rent-a-mobs are not?

Inquiring minds want to know..
 
SojournerSteel said:
But you shouldn't "have to" to wear them as a blanket policy forced by the government Just a few months ago, they told you not to wear them. Were they that ignorant then vs now? There are also possible unintended consequences heath-wise wearing them for some.
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I'm going to overly simplify things a bit here, but you do also choose not to wear a seat belt even though that is forced by the government? It's simply a public health measure used to keep the population as a whole safer.

Because we are Americans. Not Asians. Asian culture subsumes the the individual into the collective. By American tradition, individual liberty is protected against the tyranny of the majority.
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The Asian culture is also about respect, something some Americans don't have for each other. I can get behind individual liberty and being protected against tyranny, I just don't find wearing a mask when going into a business to help contain a disease to be that much of an issue or an infringement on freedom.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
The Asian culture is also about respect, something some Americans don't have for each other. I can get behind individual liberty and being protected against tyranny, I just don't find wearing a mask when going into a business to help contain a disease to be that much of an issue or an infringement on freedom.
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That's racists. You mean the respect not to kill untold millions in China during WWII? How about the respect of Pol Pot? Oh you just mean respect to do what they are told by governments that are known to kill by the millions.. got it.
 
Vader said:
That's racists. You mean the respect not to kill untold millions in China during WWII? How about the respect of Pol Pot? Oh you just mean respect to do what they are told by governments that are known to kill by the millions.. got it.
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How in the world did you get ANY of that out of my interpretation of respect? You're smarter than that, Vadar.
 
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