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Huh, wonder why Tibs did not include California in the charts. Or the total number of deaths, including New York, New Jersey, etc.?

Wonder why just Florida and Texas. Cannot think of the reason ... must be one. Let me think on it some more.
 
Case numbers are meaningless to me. But positive rate, hospitalizations and deaths are all going up in some places. Hospitals are nearing capacity in some places. That's not good, no matter how the data is being cooked.

I totally agree much has been overblown and politicized about the data through the course of this. It is being made to sound worse than it is in many ways. That doesn't mean there is nothing bad about it.

I don't see why people don't see a middle ground between "OMG PANIC WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" and "It's a complete hoax being used to control us". What is wrong with "It's not life threatening for most people but why not slow down the spread with simple measures if we can so we don't run out of hospital space and PPE again and end up having to shut everything down." Is that really such a huge infringement on our rights?

I've ever seen so many people abandon all logic and reason like this, on both sides.

the media is lying by omission. They want you to assume that the rise in hospitalization is all Covid. Fact is, much of the increase is people going in for procedures that they had postponed due to lockdowns.

as for masks, if they had mandated that HIV positive people wear masks back in the day, the ACLU would have set a speed record to the courthouse. And rightly so.

There are 2 issues at play. 1. Are masks even effective? There is no evidence at all that they do anything. 2. How much authority do you grant executive branch (Prez, Governor, Mayor) to mandate behaviors under the guise of emergency or public health?

I think these people do NOT have this power, at least not for such a prolonged period. Executives are granted emergency powers, because it is accepted that a legislature is too slow to act in an emergency. But how long is something an emergency? Is there any reason why these measures can’t be voted on now? Only political reasons which are not valid reasons in terms of laws.
 
Huh, wonder why Tibs did not include California in the charts. Or the total number of deaths, including New York, New Jersey, etc.? Wonder why just Florida and Texas. Cannot think of the reason ... must be one. Let me think on it some more.

Try to loosen your thinking cap a little, it's screwed on too tightly. I know it's bad all over right now stateside, trust me, I get it. The reason I highlighted TX and FL was because Trump and FoxNews were literally drooling and gushing over how successful those R governors were, while lambasting the Dems on the east coast. The tide has turned, and now they look like the fools that they are. This is not a partisan issue, the virus is real and affects everyone. It seems it's gotten significantly worse in areas that eased restrictions too early, or where people simply scoffed at mitigation measures.

Thankfully the numbers have come down in places like NY & NJ, which was by far in the worst shape back in the spring. Those Dem gov's and mayors made plenty of mistakes, which resulted in significant loss of life. To see the dramatic rise in overall US numbers relative to the EU and other countries is sad and disappointing. In states like CA and Arizona, along with the southern states, this thing has been heading in the opposite direction as it should be. Really sad to see, across the board. Very disappointing, regardless of party politcs and whether it's a blue or red state. I hope the tide will turn soon, and the numbers start coming down again.

To sit here and ponder that Americans are barred from travelling to the EU, Mexico and Canada - and not the other way around - is simply stunning.
 
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Yeah, I guess that's another way to put it. Whether you simply want to call him ignorant, or claim that he's lying through his teeth (like I am), it is a disgrace coming from the the President of the United States and the leader of the free world, particularly when the lives and well-being of millions are at risk.

Seriously? Obama lied all the time and you didn't say a word. You should stop trolling if you want to be taken seriously. Obama lied about Benghazi, Obama care (right to the face of America), and even lied about using the FBI and DOJ staff to spy on a presidential campaign. You said nothing about it so you can take you ignorant hyperbolic anti-American diatribe and stick it.
 
Thankfully the numbers have come down in places like NY & NJ, which was by far in the worst shape back in the spring. Those Dem gov's and mayors made plenty of mistakes, which resulted in significant loss of life. To see the dramatic rise in overall US numbers relative to the EU and other countries is sad and disappointing. In states like CA and Arizona, along with the southern states, this thing has been heading in the opposite direction as it should be. Really sad to see, across the board. Very disappointing, regardless of party politcs and whether it's a blue or red state. I hope the tide will turn soon, and the numbers start coming down again.

To sit here and ponder that Americans are barred from travelling to the EU, Mexico and Canada - and not the other way around - is simply stunning.

The reason California, Texas, and AZ are having issues is because they border Mexico. If you look at the cases in Mexico you'll see the vast majority of cases on the border with the U.S. You still have illegal aliens coming into the country spreading the disease in these states... especially CA. I've actually been to CA recently and my wife is from there. Obviously you don't know WTF you're talking about since you get all your news from MSNBC.
 
This is the type of news we need. We still may be a ways off from a vaccine in practical terms, but every bit of a breakthrough is welcome news.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: First data for Moderna Covid-19 vaccine show it spurs an immune response <a href="https://t.co/ePsmWi7X6s">https://t.co/ePsmWi7X6s</a></p>— STAT (@statnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/statnews/status/1283144502736228354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 
This is the type of news we need. We still may be a ways off from a vaccine in practical terms, but every bit of a breakthrough is welcome news.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: First data for Moderna Covid-19 vaccine show it spurs an immune response <a href="https://t.co/ePsmWi7X6s">https://t.co/ePsmWi7X6s</a></p>— STAT (@statnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/statnews/status/1283144502736228354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

I fear Trump is going to napalm the lab and kill the scientists, since he loves the Chinese flu so much.
 
The reason California, Texas, and AZ are having issues is because they border Mexico. If you look at the cases in Mexico you'll see the vast majority of cases on the border with the U.S. You still have illegal aliens coming into the country spreading the disease in these states... especially CA. I've actually been to CA recently and my wife is from there. Obviously you don't know WTF you're talking about since you get all your news from MSNBC.

This may take the cake for the most ridiculous post on this board. At least for this day, or maybe this week. I'm sure there will be plenty more, from where this came from.

Not suprising at all, as obviously you don't know WTF you're talking about since you get all your news from fringe Qanon, alt-right sites.

Over the weekend, Homeland Security and federal health officials pointed to possible explanations for spikes in Texas, Arizona and North Carolina other than immigration. Their email responses connected the rise in new COVID-19 cases to America’s rapid and loosely planned reopening, which the White House has defended despite criticism from public health experts.

“The upticks in COVID cases is likely to be linked in the general community relaxation of social distancing regulations as well as general community social distancing fatigue,” William Ferrara, executive assistant commissioner at Customs and Border Protection, wrote to HHS on Saturday, citing the conclusions of the agency’s medical staff as well as legal cross-border traffic, which has largely stagnated in recent weeks.

Health officials in Pima, a border county in Arizona that includes Tucson, told USA TODAY that they have watched their case numbers march up as stay-at-home orders relaxed. Total cases have climbed by 125% in the county since a statewide shutdown was lifted in mid-May.

“We get groups of more than 10 together, we open up businesses, we don’t wear masks and end up where we are,” said Pima County Public Health Director Dr. Theresa Cullen. “We don’t have to speculate that this is a rise in people coming across the border.”

Feds explore whether Latino immigrants to blame for coronavirus flare-ups
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-task-force-questions-immigration/3210219001/
 
Try to loosen your thinking cap a little, it's screwed on too tightly. I know it's bad all over right now stateside, trust me, I get it. The reason I highlighted TX and FL was because Trump and FoxNews were literally drooling and gushing over how successful those R governors were, while lambasting the Dems on the east coast. The tide has turned, and now they look like the fools that they are. This is not a partisan issue,

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To sit here and ponder that Americans are barred from travelling to the EU, Mexico and Canada - and not the other way around - is simply stunning.

Not racist now, though. February and China travel? Racist. March and Iran, Italy travel? Racist. July and American travel? All good.

Finally, the gnashing of teeth and whining over the virus is 90% due to who is President. Not WHAT was done or when, but simply because WHO is President.

Change my mind.
 
This may take the cake for the most ridiculous post on this board. At least for this day, or maybe this week. I'm sure there will be plenty more, from where this came from.

Not suprising at all, as obviously you don't know WTF you're talking about since you get all your news from fringe Qanon, alt-right sites.





Feds explore whether Latino immigrants to blame for coronavirus flare-ups
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-task-force-questions-immigration/3210219001/

Obviously you're a moron but I'll try one more time. Even in your article from USAtoday, a very scientific magazine BTW (HAHAHA), basically said that they "THINK" it could be something other than immigration. Which is why they said "POSSIBLE explanation". Because they don't want it to be immigration. It isn't even the U.S. Version. It's the EU version of USAtoday. Again you don't know WTF you are talking about. They are biased just like you. Here is an article from CNN (since you love liberal sites). Here's another one as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/health/border-hospitals-coronavirus/index.html

https://www.immigrationreform.com/2020/06/17/covid-second-wave-immigration-immigrationreform-com/
 
Some soy boys are already asking "Why so many shots?". Uh, because the dude threatening her life kept lunging at her and attempted to pick up his deadly weapon again?

She did seem to shoot the eff out of him and is supposedly being accused of mistaking the suspect for an unarmed black man.
 
Dumbfuck Liberal Idiot Moron Soyboy Manbun: "Why'd you shoot him 8 times?"
Rational Person: "Uhh, he was still standing after 7."

Why is it that the stupidest people on earth regarding firearms, who have never seen an actual firearm let alone fired one, God forbid owned one, are allowed to even open their mouths about gun use??

Seriously, why don't we have 5-year olds make budget decisions, or 6-year olds decide trade deals? Why not, since complete ******* ignorance of something is obviously not a concern to idiot leftists.

Dumbshits still base their view of firearm use on Lone Ranger re-runs. You know, don't use a gun. Get into a fistfight, win and arrest the bad guy. Or if Tonto uses a gun, he knocks the gun out of the other guy's hand, and GAME OVER!! One shot, knock gun out of hand, raise hands in victory.

Never understood why your military gives soldiers so goddamn many bullets. Just one 5.56 round down range, knock the AK out of the bad guy's hands, and wheeee!! Victory dance.
 
The article I linked earlier now has body cam footage.
 
the media is lying by omission. They want you to assume that the rise in hospitalization is all Covid. Fact is, much of the increase is people going in for procedures that they had postponed due to lockdowns.

Listen, as much as I know the data is being exaggerated and presented in the worst way possible, I also don't believe it's possible for the government to completely fake a surge of Covid hospitalizations and deaths. There are people on the ground who could easily come out and publicly dispute this. Why aren't they? Where are the doctors and nurses saying "They are lying to you, we don't actually have an increase in Covid hospitalizations!". Are they all in on it? My own brother in FL has two of his co-workers in a restaurant of maybe 50 employees hospitalized with Covid this week

as for masks, if they had mandated that HIV positive people wear masks back in the day, the ACLU would have set a speed record to the courthouse. And rightly so.

If HIV was airborne and you consider the fact that initially virtually everyone who got it, died, I don't think most people would object to wearing them. Unsafe sex of course happened but knowingly infecting people became a crime if you recall. Ultimately though it was extremely difficult to get infected with HIV without willing participation in risky activities (short of rape I guess). I'm not necessarily for mask "mandates" as they inspire rebellion against them. I wish people would wear them voluntarily.

There are 2 issues at play. 1. Are masks even effective? There is no evidence at all that they do anything.

We've already debated the effectiveness of masks ad nauseum. At a minimum common sense tells us they inhibit spread of droplets to some degree. And there is very little downside.

I think these people do NOT have this power, at least not for such a prolonged period. Executives are granted emergency powers, because it is accepted that a legislature is too slow to act in an emergency. But how long is something an emergency? Is there any reason why these measures can’t be voted on now? Only political reasons which are not valid reasons in terms of laws.

I can't disagree with you there.
 
Early on, not much was known about HIV. People did think you could get it airborne. Just like now with covid, we have no idea if masks actually do anything. I also brought up HIV for a reason. Did you know that due to pressure from various groups, many states have repealed laws that make it a crime for an HIV positive person to knowingly have sex with somebody without telling them? So much for public health.

What we see here is why liberals are so hell bent on controlling healthcare. Just look at how much control of people's lives they can take under the guise of it being for public health. In England, you have to get a permit to use a ladder higher than about 4 feet. You might fall and the public health would have to pay for your injury.

I am not upset with the concept of wearing a mask. I'm upset with the way it is being mandated. The law still applies. We can't set a precedent that the government can mandate behaviors simply by quoting a health risk.

What happens when they deem climate change a health risk and outlaw air conditioning? Of course there will be exemptions for donors. Al Gore's house will be 68 degrees when he's away on vacation. But your house will be 90 at night while you try to sleep.

We are going down a dangerous path in this country. We are becoming too accepting of laws being made by people other than legislatures. We have un-elected bureaucrats with the power to impose fines and shut down businesses. We have judges creating laws from the bench. We have executive orders.

It is now how it's supposed to work and it's dangerous. I just want the rules to be followed.

It's not unreasonable now to wear a mask and if it makes people feel better and will help the economy get going then I'm OK with it. But pass the ordinance through legislation.
 
Bravo Jake Tapper and Dr. Gupta. This guy Cuomo is a delusional, self-important ******* criminal:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bravo <a href="https://twitter.com/jaketapper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jaketapper</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/drsanjaygupta?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@drsanjaygupta</a> for BLASTING <a href="https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NYGovCuomo</a> for his terrible <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID</a> response <a href="https://t.co/0JA5m9Dc8a">pic.twitter.com/0JA5m9Dc8a</a></p>— Jon Nicosia (@NewsPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/NewsPolitics/status/1283135037618225153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I just wish it wasn't so politicized and that we could get some good honest information from the best medical minds on Earth instead.

Trust the medical experts who lead with science, not the fools who consider all of us expendable for their own political purposes.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You can trust Dr. Fauci. We can't trust Donald Trump. <a href="https://t.co/EdsvnxsPhR">pic.twitter.com/EdsvnxsPhR</a></p>— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1283357937604460546?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">📽️ NEW VIDEO: Trump's recklessness can not be overstated. He is willfully ignorant, and his reckless words and conduct have resulted in the worst Covid response on earth. We can't afford a commander-in-chief who is so reckless with science and American lives. He is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RecklessTrump?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RecklessTrump</a> <a href="https://t.co/1mUBZo97m8">pic.twitter.com/1mUBZo97m8</a></p>— Really American 🇺🇸 (@ReallyAmerican1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1283217481616617472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 
The reason California, Texas, and AZ are having issues is because they border Mexico.

Mexico is much more concerned about Americans entering their country, than the other way around. Same goes for the EU and Canada. Quite remarkable, that we've arrived at this point.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mexico's Foreign Ministry has announced it is extending its border restrictions on nonessential travel from the US until August 21 as coronavirus cases spike in America <a href="https://t.co/Bsey0DRuBW">https://t.co/Bsey0DRuBW</a></p>— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) <a href="https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1283186981237862401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
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Early on, not much was known about HIV. People did think you could get it airborne. Just like now with covid, we have no idea if masks actually do anything. I also brought up HIV for a reason. Did you know that due to pressure from various groups, many states have repealed laws that make it a crime for an HIV positive person to knowingly have sex with somebody without telling them? So much for public health.

I'm not sure what your point is in comparing this to HIV. There are about 38,000 people per year infected with HIV in the US annually.

There are 3 million confirmed cases of Covid in the span of 6 months. Estimates are that actual cases are 10 times that number. HIV is not something that is easy to contract just by walking around in public.

As I've said before, the problem with Covid is not how deadly it is, it appears to be slightly deadlier than the flu, and even less deadly than the flu in certain groups of people. The problem is how rapidly and efficiently it can spread, piling up lots of illness, hospitalization and death in very short periods of time.

SARS was very deadly, but partially because of how deadly it was, didn't spread easily. If you had SARS you generally weren't walking around in the population infecting people.
 
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Bravo Jake Tapper and Dr. Gupta. This guy Cuomo is a delusional, self-important ******* criminal:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bravo <a href="https://twitter.com/jaketapper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jaketapper</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/drsanjaygupta?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@drsanjaygupta</a> for BLASTING <a href="https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NYGovCuomo</a> for his terrible <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID</a> response <a href="https://t.co/0JA5m9Dc8a">pic.twitter.com/0JA5m9Dc8a</a></p>— Jon Nicosia (@NewsPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/NewsPolitics/status/1283135037618225153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He better be careful with his gloating. The virus has not gone away. Plus you could argue their current infection and death rates are so low in large part because so many people have already had it and died there.
 
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...and sadly, it looks like the 2nd wave will hit Europe fairly soon, if it hasn't already. Numbers are going back up again, and certain EU countries are contemplating re-installing travel bans, limiting bars and restaurants, etc. The big difference has been the sad fact the US never really managed its first wave, and as soon as cases started plateuing, there was a rush to re-open and get things back to normal. Add to that, the batshit crazy right-wingers, who've been off the reservation from day one regarding counter-covid measures. Here in Europe people just got it very early on - wearing masks, social distancing, adhering to covid regulations - that this wasn't some government take-over, or an infringement of individual rights, etc. The situation is bad enough without dipshit, wacked-out politicians talking out of their *****, mocking reporters wearing masks, deriding their own CDC officials, like we've seen with Trump and the GOP. The situation in states like Florida and Texas is mind-numbing, to say the least. The fact hospital emergency wards are at capacity, in the middle of July, is unbelievable. Yet that's exactly what happened, as so many mocked this pandemic, called it a hoax, a partisan ploy against Trump, refused to wear masks, had hissy fits when confronted, etc, etc. Not to speak of the medical concerns raised by researchers of long-term effects of covid, be it regarding heart issues, or how it attacks other organs, that can linger in patients a lot longer than originally believed. This has been, and continues to be, a very dangerous situation, for folks around the world, on both sides of the Atlantic. Godspeed to us all.

February 24, 2020
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html
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Moving to counter the spreading coronavirus outbreak, the Trump administration said Friday that it would bar entry by most foreign nationals who had recently visited China and put some American travelers under a quarantine as it declared a rare public health emergency.[FONT=&quot]The temporary restrictions followed announcements by American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines that they would suspend air service between the United States and China for several months.
The travel disruption sent shocks through the stock market and rattled industries that depend on the flow of goods and people between the world’s two largest economies. Planning was upended for companies across a vast global supply chain, from Apple to John Deere, the tractor company.
The S&P 500 suffered its worst loss since October, falling 1.8 percent, as the spread of the virus — and the increasingly urgent efforts by companies and governments to contain it — fanned fears of an economic slowdown.

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The administration’s action will restrict all foreign nationals who have been to China in the past 14 days from entering the United States. The restriction does not include immediate family members of American citizens and permanent residents. Nearly three million Chinese residents traveled to the United States in 2018, according to federal data based on travel records.

seems OrangeManBad was showing more concern for the citizens of this country than he was the economy, knowing it would cause disruption. Meanwhile Saint Pelosi of Vodka and Vicodin was in Chinatown begging for people to visit.

OrangeMan very, very bad.
 
Unfortunately it seems that the only way the ignorant understand the seriousness of this pandemic is when they are personally affected. Ignorance is bliss until you die.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coronavirus is spreading faster than ever in the U.S. Here are the states breaking records. <a href="https://t.co/VpIou7rA90">https://t.co/VpIou7rA90</a></p>— NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt (@NBCNightlyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/1283412252918308865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
 
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