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That is just one example of how crazy **** has gotten since March. Teachers have the authority to call security on other teachers/staff members for not wearing a mask in school. They don’t even have to ask the other staff where their masks are.
I also work directly with another para who is convinced our football team will bring back Covid after a game and end up killing a student. She also wears gloves and a mask to get her mail...she disinfects the mailbox after each visit and then sprays her mail with Lysol after getting it. She also washes off her groceries after purchase. She wipes down the plastic and boxes. Rinses off the cans. She won’t drink anything at school- she has water at home before work and when she goes home for lunch. She won’t take off her mask at all. She is terrified- even wrote letters to her hubby and daughter with her final wishes for WHEN she dies. I swear I feel like I’m in a parallel universe.

It’s sad. Saw a study that shows most Americans vastly overestimate infections and death rates. Thanks media! Even in the most elderly the case fatality rate is about 20%...yeah that’s high but for most people the chances of dying from this are close to zero. Yet many people seem to think death is the most likely outcome if they get infected. It’s a very bizarre kind of mass hysteria.
 
Tibs is from Czechoslovakia. Pass it on.

Ole Tibsy's Unka George is still keepin' up the good fight.

Soros DA Diana Becton Requires Officers Consider Whether a Looter “Needed” Stolen Goods Before Charging

Last week we brought you the story of Nichelle Holmes, a Deputy District Attorney in California who made social media posts proclaiming “We want more than a citation for vandalism” for the couple who painted over a Black Lives Matter mural in her jurisdiction. The office has now charged the couple with a “hate crime.”

Holmes’ boss, Diana Becton, is in her first term as elected District Attorney, one of a number of district attorneys heavily supported by lefty billionaire George Soros. Sources tell RedState that as soon as Becton took over she implemented major changes in the way the office was run and in the way crimes were charged and how aggressively cases were prosecuted.

In order to promote consistent and equitable filing practices the follow[ing] analysis is to be applied when giving consideration to filing of PC 463 (Looting):

1. Was this theft offense substantially motivated by the state of emergency, or simply a theft offense which occurred contemporaneous to the declared state of emergency?

a. Factors to consider in making this determination:

i. Was the target business open or closed to the public during the state of emergency?
ii. What was the manner and means by which the suspect gained entry to the business?
iii. What was the nature/quantity/value of the goods targeted?
iv. Was the theft committed for financial gain or personal need?
v. Is there an articulable reason why another statute wouldn’t adequately address the particular incident?

So, let’s get this straight. Deputy District Attorneys and/or the county’s law enforcement officers are supposed to go through a flow chart, including a psychological and financial analysis, to determine if looting charges should be filed?

This is what’s happening in the Bay Area right now.
https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar...a-looter-needed-stolen-goods-before-charging/

California..The land of fruits and nuts alright.

Philly Got a Soros DA, Its Murder Rate is the 2nd Highest in the U.S.

Philly was never safe, but the City of Brotherly Love now has the second highest murder rate.

How did Philly pass so many other, seemingly more troubled cities, to make it to the top?

For many Philly cops and crime victims, the answer is simple: Larry Krasner, or as many police officers call the radical extremist holding down the DA’s office, ‘Let-em-go-Larry.’

After over 1,100 people have been shot, the radical leftist DA, whose campaign was funded by extremist billionaire George Soros, has inescapably transformed Philly into a war zone.

In one day, 23 people were shot in Philadelphia.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/20...murder-rate-2nd-highest-us-daniel-greenfield/

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A billboard tells Hungarians not to let Soros "have the last laugh"
 
Forgot to add this gem:

If a student sneezes or coughs in class (symptoms of Covid) and the teacher feels uncomfortable, the student goes to the nurse. The nurse asks the student what symptoms he/she has- if he has 2 of the symptoms, he/she goes home for 3 days and is advised to get a Covid test. If the student says “I just sneezed and that was it,” he/she has a temp check, waits 15 minutes, and goes back to class.

How many students are gonna figure out they can lie about symptoms or cough in class just to get sent home? How many teachers are gonna use that new policy to get rid of a student they don’t like or find difficult?
If this is how it is in Kansas- a conservative State- I shudder to think of what is going on in blue states.

And yes, I know kids will go to the nurse for a paper cut and go home now. I know kids take advantage of that anyway. But I know that number will increase drastically once they find out teachers can send them out of class for a “symptom.”
 
The hubster got yelled at today in Sam’s by a male Karen. He had pulled his mask down to take a sip of his coffee (oh the horror)!!! The “Ken” saw the mask partially off and said, “You might as well wear your mask backward if you wear it like that’”

At first Josh thought it was someone he knew joking then he realized it wasn’t. He said “How about you mind your own business and leave me the **** alone?” To which Ken called him a name and then Josh said “You’re a ******* idiot- leave me alone!” (By this time, his mask was back over his nose).

Ken walks away, then turns around and comes back!! Yells “Do you know how small the virus is?” to Josh. Josh looks at him like “WTF” and said “No...I don’t think I’ve heard of the size of the virus- how about you enlighten me?” Ken said “Well the virus is small but it’s bigger than your brain!””

Oooooohhhh....what an insult!! People are just ******* nuts and need to leave well enough alone.
 
The hubster got yelled at today in Sam’s by a male Karen. He had pulled his mask down to take a sip of his coffee (oh the horror)!!! The “Ken” saw the mask partially off and said, “You might as well wear your mask backward if you wear it like that’”

At first Josh thought it was someone he knew joking then he realized it wasn’t. He said “How about you mind your own business and leave me the **** alone?” To which Ken called him a name and then Josh said “You’re a ******* idiot- leave me alone!” (By this time, his mask was back over his nose).

Ken walks away, then turns around and comes back!! Yells “Do you know how small the virus is?” to Josh. Josh looks at him like “WTF” and said “No...I don’t think I’ve heard of the size of the virus- how about you enlighten me?” Ken said “Well the virus is small but it’s bigger than your brain!””

Oooooohhhh....what an insult!! People are just ******* nuts and need to leave well enough alone.

Good god. I just want to say to these people, If you are this scared, why the **** are you in Sam's Club? Go the **** home.
 
The hubster got yelled at today in Sam’s by a male Karen. He had pulled his mask down to take a sip of his coffee (oh the horror)!!! The “Ken” saw the mask partially off and said, “You might as well wear your mask backward if you wear it like that’”

At first Josh thought it was someone he knew joking then he realized it wasn’t. He said “How about you mind your own business and leave me the **** alone?” To which Ken called him a name and then Josh said “You’re a ******* idiot- leave me alone!” (By this time, his mask was back over his nose).

Ken walks away, then turns around and comes back!! Yells “Do you know how small the virus is?” to Josh. Josh looks at him like “WTF” and said “No...I don’t think I’ve heard of the size of the virus- how about you enlighten me?” Ken said “Well the virus is small but it’s bigger than your brain!””

Oooooohhhh....what an insult!! People are just ******* nuts and need to leave well enough alone.

When I have been “commented” on about mask I just laugh at them. No words are needed just look there way and laugh likes it’s the funniest ****
 
Forgot to add this gem:

If a student sneezes or coughs in class (symptoms of Covid) and the teacher feels uncomfortable, the student goes to the nurse. The nurse asks the student what symptoms he/she has- if he has 2 of the symptoms, he/she goes home for 3 days and is advised to get a Covid test. If the student says “I just sneezed and that was it,” he/she has a temp check, waits 15 minutes, and goes back to class.

How many students are gonna figure out they can lie about symptoms or cough in class just to get sent home? How many teachers are gonna use that new policy to get rid of a student they don’t like or find difficult?
If this is how it is in Kansas- a conservative State- I shudder to think of what is going on in blue states.

And yes, I know kids will go to the nurse for a paper cut and go home now. I know kids take advantage of that anyway. But I know that number will increase drastically once they find out teachers can send them out of class for a “symptom.”

Why don't they just give every teacher a hand held temperature scanner.? They're not that expensive.
 
Why don't they just give every teacher a hand held temperature scanner.? They're not that expensive.

I’d say liability. They are already under the gun. Watch fist kid that gets real sick, parents will sue. At least with a certified/register nurse, a professional was doing said checks. I know stupid but schools gotta cover their ***
 
Why don't they just give every teacher a hand held temperature scanner.? They're not that expensive.

The kids will already have had their temps checked prior to the start of the school day. Bus riders will have their temps checked by the bus driver. If they have a temp when they get on, the bus must wait 15 minutes and re check the temp. If the kid is still “hot,” then he/she can’t get on the bus. If a kid is driven to school or walks(haha), then he/she will have temps checked at the main door. There is a temp scanner right when you walk in. If they are running a temp, then they go to the nurse, wait 15 minutes, and are checked again. If still hot, then the parents are called and they have to leave.

As to why teachers don’t have any thermometer, I don’t know. All I know is that this policy is crazy...and it will cause so many buses to be late. If say, there are 4 kids who run hit...that’s an HOUR the bus has to wait!!!
 
Why don't they just give every teacher a hand held temperature scanner.? They're not that expensive.

The kids will already have had their temps checked prior to the start of the school day. Bus riders will have their temps checked by the bus driver. If they have a temp when they get on, the bus must wait 15 minutes and re check the temp. If the kid is still “hot,” then he/she can’t get on the bus. If a kid is driven to school or walks(haha), then he/she will have temps checked at the main door. There is a temp scanner right when you walk in. If they are running a temp, then they go to the nurse, wait 15 minutes, and are checked again. If still hot, then the parents are called and they have to leave.

As to why teachers don’t have any thermometer, I don’t know. All I know is that this policy is crazy...and it will cause so many buses to be late. If say, there are 4 kids who run hit...that’s an HOUR the bus has to wait!!!
 
Good god. I just want to say to these people, If you are this scared, why the **** are you in Sam's Club? Go the **** home.

No ****. Buy your stuff online, have it delivered to your home and be done with it. But these people just want to tell other people how to go about doing things. They've learned it from watching their politicians.
 
Ken walks away, then turns around and comes back!! Yells “Do you know how small the virus is?” to Josh. Josh looks at him like “WTF” and said “No...I don’t think I’ve heard of the size of the virus- how about you enlighten me?” Ken said “Well the virus is small but it’s bigger than your brain!””
I would have told him the virus is a hell of a lot smaller than what a mask will stop.
 
Turns out teachers are pretty much *******, which explains why America's youth is in the state its in.

Small town school teachers aren't for the most part. We start back Monday, 5 days a week and we all couldn't be more happy to be back. All the schools in this area are in the same boat from what I can tell. Everyone I know thinks the demands of those teacher unions in the media are disgusting and ridiculous.
 
My district is suburban Wichita. I think in total we have close to 7,000 students. 2300 of those are at my school. Teachers have the KNEA Union, but it’s not mandatory to join. Teachers aren’t allowed to strike.

I’m going back to college to become a teacher- but after seeing how spoiled and how bitchy they all have been over this past week, I’m reconsidering. I’ve never seen a more paranoid bunch of whiners in my life and that’s saying a LOT. That being said- I know those teachers are trying to keep the kids “safe” and I know they do care about the kids. But to act like you’re going to work in a war zone and act like a ***** over the most minute thing doesn’t help your cause.
 
My district is suburban Wichita. I think in total we have close to 7,000 students. 2300 of those are at my school. Teachers have the KNEA Union, but it’s not mandatory to join. Teachers aren’t allowed to strike.

I’m going back to college to become a teacher- but after seeing how spoiled and how bitchy they all have been over this past week, I’m reconsidering. I’ve never seen a more paranoid bunch of whiners in my life and that’s saying a LOT. That being said- I know those teachers are trying to keep the kids “safe” and I know they do care about the kids. But to act like you’re going to work in a war zone and act like a ***** over the most minute thing doesn’t help your cause.

Keep kids safe from what? A virus that has practically zero effect on them?

This isn't about the kids, no one is buying that bullshit.
 
That’s why I put it as “safe.” Sarcasm air quotes.
 
My district is suburban Wichita. I think in total we have close to 7,000 students. 2300 of those are at my school. Teachers have the KNEA Union, but it’s not mandatory to join. Teachers aren’t allowed to strike.

I’m going back to college to become a teacher- but after seeing how spoiled and how bitchy they all have been over this past week, I’m reconsidering. I’ve never seen a more paranoid bunch of whiners in my life and that’s saying a LOT. That being said- I know those teachers are trying to keep the kids “safe” and I know they do care about the kids. But to act like you’re going to work in a war zone and act like a ***** over the most minute thing doesn’t help your cause.

Good for you but consider teaching in a private school.
 
Thousands of infections at universities across the country, resulting in as far as I've heard, zero hospitalizations. But we should shut down the world for 3 or 4 years.
 
As I said a couple of days ago, the idea that hundreds of kids all caught coronavirus from each other (infectious enough to test positive) within a week of getting to college is impossible. I said something is really screwed up. Now we are quarantining hundreds of students and causing needless panic when many of them were probably infected weeks or months ago and aren't even contagious any more.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/08/29/your-coronavirus-test-is-positive-maybe-it-shouldnt-be/

Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.

Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time. But researchers say the solution is not to test less, or to skip testing people without symptoms, as recently suggested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“The decision not to test asymptomatic people is just really backward,” said Dr. Michael Mina, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, referring to the C.D.C. recommendation.

“In fact, we should be ramping up testing of all different people,” he said, “but we have to do it through whole different mechanisms.”

In what may be a step in this direction, the Trump administration announced on Thursday that it would purchase 150 million rapid tests.

The most widely used diagnostic test for the new coronavirus, called a PCR test, provides a simple yes-no answer to the question of whether a patient is infected.

But similar PCR tests for other viruses do offer some sense of how contagious an infected patient may be: The results may include a rough estimate of the amount of virus in the patient’s body.

“We’ve been using one type of data for everything, and that is just plus or minus — that’s all,” Dr. Mina said. “We’re using that for clinical diagnostics, for public health, for policy decision-making.”

But yes-no isn’t good enough, he added. It’s the amount of virus that should dictate the infected patient’s next steps. “It’s really irresponsible, I think, to forgo the recognition that this is a quantitative issue,” Dr. Mina said.

The PCR test amplifies genetic matter from the virus in cycles; the fewer cycles required, the greater the amount of virus, or viral load, in the sample. The greater the viral load, the more likely the patient is to be contagious.

This number of amplification cycles needed to find the virus, called the cycle threshold, is never included in the results sent to doctors and coronavirus patients, although it could tell them how infectious the patients are.


In three sets of testing data that include cycle thresholds, compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.

On Thursday, the United States recorded 45,604 new coronavirus cases, according to a database maintained by The Times. If the rates of contagiousness in Massachusetts and New York were to apply nationwide, then perhaps only 4,500 of those people may actually need to isolate and submit to contact tracing.

One solution would be to adjust the cycle threshold used to decide that a patient is infected. Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.

Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said.

Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.

A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less. Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold higher than the current standard for the test to return a positive result.

The Food and Drug Administration said in an emailed statement that it does not specify the cycle threshold ranges used to determine who is positive, and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it is examining the use of cycle threshold measures “for policy decisions.” The agency said it would need to collaborate with the F.D.A. and with device manufacturers to ensure the measures “can be used properly and with assurance that we know what they mean.”

The C.D.C.’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles. Officials at some state labs said the C.D.C. had not asked them to note threshold values or to share them with contact-tracing organizations.

For example, North Carolina’s state lab uses the Thermo Fisher coronavirus test, which automatically classifies results based on a cutoff of 37 cycles. A spokeswoman for the lab said testers did not have access to the precise numbers.

This amounts to an enormous missed opportunity to learn more about the disease, some experts said.

“It’s just kind of mind-blowing to me that people are not recording the C.T. values from all these tests — that they’re just returning a positive or a negative,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.

“It would be useful information to know if somebody’s positive, whether they have a high viral load or a low viral load,” she added.

Officials at the Wadsworth Center, New York’s state lab, have access to C.T. values from tests they have processed, and analyzed their numbers at The Times’s request. In July, the lab identified 794 positive tests, based on a threshold of 40 cycles.

With a cutoff of 35, about half of those tests would no longer qualify as positive. About 70 percent would no longer be judged positive if the cycles were limited to 30.

In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been deemed negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Dr. Mina said. “I would say that none of those people should be contact-traced, not one,” he said.

Other experts informed of these numbers were stunned.

“I’m really shocked that it could be that high — the proportion of people with high C.T. value results,” said Dr. Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute. “Boy, does it really change the way we need to be thinking about testing.”

Dr. Jha said he had thought of the PCR test as a problem because it cannot scale to the volume, frequency or speed of tests needed. “But what I am realizing is that a really substantial part of the problem is that we’re not even testing the people who we need to be testing,” he said.

The number of people with positive results who aren’t infectious is particularly concerning, said Scott Becker, executive director of the Association of Public Health Laboratories. “That worries me a lot, just because it’s so high,” he said, adding that the organization intended to meet with Dr. Mina to discuss the issue.

The F.D.A. noted that people may have a low viral load when they are newly infected. A test with less sensitivity would miss these infections.

But that problem is easily solved, Dr. Mina said: “Test them again, six hours later or 15 hours later or whatever,” he said. A rapid test would find these patients quickly, even if it were less sensitive, because their viral loads would quickly rise.

PCR tests still have a role, he and other experts said. For example, their sensitivity is an asset when identifying newly infected people to enroll in clinical trials of drugs.

But with 20 percent or more of people testing positive for the virus in some parts of the country, Dr. Mina and other researchers are questioning the use of PCR tests as a frontline diagnostic tool.

People infected with the virus are most infectious from a day or two before symptoms appear till about five days after. But at the current testing rates, “you’re not going to be doing it frequently enough to have any chance of really capturing somebody in that window,” Dr. Mina added.

Highly sensitive PCR tests seemed like the best option for tracking the coronavirus at the start of the pandemic. But for the outbreaks raging now, what’s needed are coronavirus tests that are fast, cheap and abundant enough to frequently test everyone who needs it — even if the tests are less sensitive.

“It might not catch every last one of the transmitting people, but it sure will catch the most transmissible people, including the superspreaders,” Dr. Mina said. “That alone would drive epidemics practically to zero.”
 
At my work we had 15/60 staff test positive on the same day. Only 1 was legit and she was exposed at a Dr. Office. Both her and her young daughter did get very sick, but on recovering. We have had over 30 staff test positive and only 2 were sick. Everyone else immediately restested negative 2x. We have also have had 0 residents sick. There is definitely something off with the testing, but my company has like 12 nursing homes and we all used the same lab / test and we are the only ones with issues. Definitely very odd.
 
You would think the idea that we may have 90% false positives as far as people who are infectious would be huge headlines splashed across the main page of every media outlet.

But it isn't.
 
You would think the idea that we may have 90% false positives as far as people who are infectious would be huge headlines splashed across the main page of every media outlet.

But it isn't.

Also the early prediction was that it would kill 2.5 million people.
 
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