Everyone can blame Ben, Randy, or whoever,

[diver]

OK. But what adjustments are you willing to make?

I contend that they are limited in their adjustments, because maybe the OL and the QB just can't do it anymore...or do the things that need to be adjusted...maybe some play action, getting under center, some misdirection moving the pocket and so on.

So, if the players they are playing can't make the adjustments, do you sit some of those players? If you have coached, you damn well know you are limited by what your players abilities are. The old saying is your adjust your scheme to the players you have, not the other way around.

Again, I will ask. What are you willing to do? Do you sit the 38 year old QB and maybe play Dobbs, for example, who at least could create some of those misdirections, be under center, move the pocket, do some play action...and if all else fails maybe get something with his feet? Because if my my suspicion is right and they are limited in their adjustments because of limits of their players, and you are unwilling to entertain the idea of switching some of those players, then you are no better than the guy you are criticizing.

 

[George12]

I just think adjustments is the most overused term in football...I think it is more one team just starts playing better. Who is to say, in the Bills locker room, Diggs comes over and says, "Yo, I've been open." Could be that simple. Is that an adjustment?

It just used as a way to hammer the coach, when none of us, me included, have any idea what goes on in there at half. It's all speculation.

There is a great article at Behindthesteelcurtain.com today that showed the Bills moved Diggs to the other side in the 2nd half to take advantage of Cameron Sutton after Nelson ate Diggs lunch in the 1st half. Tomlin sat and watched Diggs abuse Sutton and did nothing about it in the 2 TD drives that essentially ended the game great defensive mind that he alleges to be.

 

[Stryker]

There is a great article at Behindthesteelcurtain.com today that showed the Bills moved Diggs to the other side in the 2nd half to take advantage of Cameron Sutton after Nelson ate Diggs lunch in the 1st half. Tomlin sat and watched Diggs abuse Sutton and did nothing about it in the 2 TD drives that essentially ended the game great defensive mind that he alleges to be.

That was a good move with Haden out on their part. If Nelson and Haden are both playing, he does not feast like that.

 

[6Lombardis]

The only one who continues to take any reasonability and blames only himself is BEN

Ben is hurt. He’s not moving well and it’s impacting play calling and long throws. So in that regard, yeah, Bens body is to blame for some of this. He may have a underlying knee or ankle injury. I’ve heard too many observers seeing and saying so. Remember him scrambling earlier in the year. He also OVERthrew long balls. Now there’s the weaker throws. It’s his lower body-somethings not right. Watch how he’s walking gingerly. He’s not extending plays like he can/once could. That’s what’s missing from this offense right now. We’ve always had that. He’s got little movement and that’s leading to poor throws and tipped balls.

 

[Coryea]

OK. But what adjustments are you willing to make?

I contend that they are limited in their adjustments, because maybe the OL and the QB just can't do it anymore...or do the things that need to be adjusted...maybe some play action, getting under center, some misdirection moving the pocket and so on.

So, if the players they are playing can't make the adjustments, do you sit some of those players? If you have coached, you damn well know you are limited by what your players abilities are. The old saying is your adjust your scheme to the players you have, not the other way around.

Again, I will ask. What are you willing to do? Do you sit the 38 year old QB and maybe play Dobbs, for example, who at least could create some of those misdirections, be under center, move the pocket, do some play action...and if all else fails maybe get something with his feet? Because if my my suspicion is right and they are limited in their adjustments because of limits of their players, and you are unwilling to entertain the idea of switching some of those players, then you are no better than the guy you are criticizing.

I'm talking about the defensive side of the ball, we dominated the 1st half vs Wash and Buffalo, then come out get picked apart the second half, when both Buffalo and Washington made clear adjustments offense, we did nothing on defense to counter them.
Offense the big adjustment is catch the ball, if they catch the ball we don't lose to Washington. Everyone complaining about Ben's deep ball, Super arm Josh Allens longest completion was 23 yards, and the ball was only thrown 8 yards, the rest was run after the catch, his longest completion in the air was his 19 yard TD pass, the same as Ben's TD to Washington.

 

[mdk2]

OK. But what adjustments are you willing to make?

I contend that they are limited in their adjustments, because maybe the OL and the QB just can't do it anymore...or do the things that need to be adjusted...maybe some play action, getting under center, some misdirection moving the pocket and so on.

So, if the players they are playing can't make the adjustments, do you sit some of those players? If you have coached, you damn well know you are limited by what your players abilities are. The old saying is your adjust your scheme to the players you have, not the other way around.

Again, I will ask. What are you willing to do? Do you sit the 38 year old QB and maybe play Dobbs, for example, who at least could create some of those misdirections, be under center, move the pocket, do some play action...and if all else fails maybe get something with his feet? Because if my my suspicion is right and they are limited in their adjustments because of limits of their players, and you are unwilling to entertain the idea of switching some of those players, then you are no better than the guy you are criticizing.

What exactly can't Ben do anymore? Yes, lets put Dobbs in and see how good on offense we are then... lol

 

[diver]

What exactly can't Ben do anymore? Yes, lets put Dobbs in and see how good on offense we are then... lol

Well, they rarely go under center. They are always in the pistol. They are not completing anything deep. Hell, he rarely completes anything intermediate. They do not play action. Why? Is it all on the coaches, or is the QB limited by age and injury?

Look, stop being childish. I don't want them to put Dobbs in, either. I was just trying to make a point as to how far are you wiling to go with "adjustments." If the players you have are not getting it done, though, what do you do?

 

[Coryea]

I think most Steeler fans would like to see play actions, but to have play action, you need a running game, something we don't not have. It's the Oline that is killing this team. Josh Allen has as big of arm as anyone, his longest in air completion was 19 yards, his longest total completion was 23 yards, an 8 yard throw and Diggs ran the rest of the way. WR's catch the ball we beat Washington.
The Oline can't block much longer than 2.5 seconds, that's part of why we are throwing everything quick. The one series, we give it to conner and he has 3 guys hit him in the backfield, then Ben tries to pass, and not a quick hitter, tries to go downfield, he's hit by 4 Bills, OLinemen standing around like DUH.
https://twitter.com/DwhFtw/status/1338536976325206016?s=09

I've already given my adjustment, sit Ebrons ***, go Vance and Conner and play some max protect with Dionte, Juju, and then Washington and Claypool can rotate in and out. Try to give Ben an extra second or so.

 

[mdk2]

Well, they rarely go under center. They are always in the pistol. They are not completing anything deep. Hell, he rarely completes anything intermediate. They do not play action. Why? Is it all on the coaches, or is the QB limited by age and injury?

Look, stop being childish. I don't want them to put Dobbs in, either. I was just trying to make a point as to how far are you wiling to go with "adjustments." If the players you have are not getting it done, though, what do you do?

Ben has 29 TDs, on pace for his highest TD total of his career. We're 11-2 and he's played one bad game. But yeah, he can't do it anymore..

Is making the OL run block better an option? Do you think that is a problem with the offense?

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

No derek watt.. Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

No run game , Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

No medium/ long pass game . Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

****** game plan. Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

No adjustments at halftime. Maybe because we're always in the pistol.



Maybe we're always in the pistol. Because Ben cant even do a 5-7 step drop back ?

Maybe we're always in the pistol. Because our O line isnt cutting it. BUT

Maybe we're always in the pistol, Because ben cant get out of the way of the pressure / move right.


CAN ONE PITTSBURG MEDIA GUY. ASK TOMLIN: Why is Derek watt on the bench. WHY isnt the lead back being used as we saw early on before Watts' injury. Why is this facet of the offense off limits now. Pitsburgh media is a bunch of ******* and yes men.

 

[Coryea]

I mean, how often was Josh Allen under Center? KC ran the clock out vs Miami with Mahomes in the gun with short passes, Brees, Rodgers are always in shot gun, that's the new NFL, most QB's/teams are in the shot gun. There aren't a ton of teams like Cleveland that are going to line up under center a ton.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Who cares what other qb's are doing . This is what WE do every week. Put your Ben colored glasses away for a bit. This isn't an attack on him.

 

[Coryea]

Who cares what other qb's are doing . This is what WE do every week. Put your Ben colored glasses away for a bit. This isn't an attack on him.

Where did I say anyone was attacking him? The last 3 games we've run the ball 55 times for 136 yards, that's 2.4 ypc. What do you want us to do? Run it 25 times a game? WE CAN'T RUN THE BALL! We brought the big guys in vs Washington at the goal line and couldn't run it in with Ben under center. Ben being under center, in the pistol, in the shot gun, lined up as a punter isn't going to make our crap Oline run block.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Where did I say anyone was attacking him? The last 3 games we've run the ball 55 times for 136 yards, that's 2.4 ypc. What do you want us to do? Run it 25 times a game? WE CAN'T RUN THE BALL! We brought the big guys in vs Washington at the goal line and couldn't run it in with Ben under center. Ben being under center, in the pistol, in the shot gun, lined up as a punter isn't going to make our crap Oline run block.

No derek watt.. Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

No run game , Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

No medium/ long pass game . Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

****** game plan. Maybe because we're always in the pistol.

No adjustments at halftime. Maybe because we're always in the pistol.



Maybe we're always in the pistol. Because Ben cant even do a 5-7 step drop back ?

Maybe we're always in the pistol. Because our O line isnt cutting it. BUT

Maybe we're always in the pistol, Because ben cant get out of the way of the pressure / move right.


CAN ONE PITTSBURG MEDIA GUY. ASK TOMLIN: Why is Derek watt on the bench. WHY isnt the lead back being used as we saw early on before Watts' injury. Why is this facet of the offense off limits now. Pitsburgh media is a bunch of ******* and yes men.

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exactly cant run the ball... are you following along? IF we do the same thing every time... they jsut stack the box and take away the short game.. Thats what i see happening.

 

[diver]

Ben has 29 TDs, on pace for his highest TD total of his career. We're 11-2 and he's played one bad game. But yeah, he can't do it anymore..

Is making the OL run block better an option? Do you think that is a problem with the offense?

Sure it is. How do you propose to do that? How do you adjust that? That sounds dangerously close to expecting them to "make plays" like some rip Tomlin about.

Unless you are willing to replace some of these guys. Again, this has been a discussion about adjustments, and if the players can't do it, what are you willing to do?

Ben's numbers do not look nearly as good the last few weeks. Teams look to be catching up to what they are doing. All I am saying, damn it, is that the QB is not above adjusting. Why the rest of the team, but not the QB? And if he can't adjust, then what?

 

[Coryea]

Add the drops to his stats and Ben is pretty good, Ravens game is a blow out, 2 dropped TDs in that game and a potential 3rd. We win the Washington game too if it weren't for drops
We ran two plays from the no huddle, 2! Ben has a passer rating of 131 when playing from the no huddle, but Ben is the one calling the plays, yeah right.

Sure it is. How do you propose to do that? How do you adjust that? That sounds dangerously close to expecting them to "make plays" like some rip Tomlin about.

Unless you are willing to replace some of these guys. Again, this has been a discussion about adjustments, and if the players can't do it, what are you willing to do?

Ben's numbers do not look nearly as good the last few weeks. Teams look to be catching up to what they are doing. All I am saying, damn it, is that the QB is not above adjusting. Why the rest of the team, but not the QB? And if he can't adjust, then what?

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[diver]

Add the drops to his stats and Ben is pretty good, Ravens game is a blow out, 2 dropped TDs in that game and a potential 3rd. We win the Washington game too if it weren't for drops
We ran two plays from the no huddle, 2! Ben has a passer rating of 131 when playing from the no huddle, but Ben is the one calling the plays, yeah right.

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I don't know who is calling the plays. I never got into that one way or the other...again, it is pure speculation.

This is not meant to rip on Ben. But if the rest of the team needs to make adjustments, shouldn't the leader of the team be held to the same standard? Teams seem to have caught up to this short passing game, drops or not. So now Ben needs to adjust. Maybe under center more. Maybe a moving pocket more. Maybe some play action (I think the issue with play action is not only that they don't run it well, but they hardly run it). Can he do it?

I think there is some inconsistency here with this adjustment idea. I get the sense the coaching staff needs to adjust, the OL needs to adjust, the defense needs to adjust, the running backs need to adjust, but ****, Ben? He can just keep doing what he is doing.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I was just reading DK's article on Ben and while his points were all valid, I noticed on a highlight were the OL got obliterated on a run play--sorry, I know that doesn't narrow it down--Feiler was pulling and he go no where near his defender to pull off a block. It's about the third time in recent weeks I've seen a play like this. Feiler just isn't athletic enough to pull yet they continue to do it.

 

[slashsteel]

I was just reading DK's article on Ben and while his points were all valid, I noticed on a highlight were the OL got obliterated on a run play--sorry, I know that doesn't narrow it down--Feiler was pulling and he go no where near his defender to pull off a block. It's about the third time in recent weeks I've seen a play like this. Feiler just isn't athletic enough to pull yet they continue to do it.

I won't be surprised Monday if the run game starts to improve with BigDot. (Provided he plays this week)

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[SteelerFan448]

I won't be surprised Monday if the run game starts to improve with BigDot. (Provided he plays this week)

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It's only gonna improve if the Steelers start lining up under center and going back to their bread and butter running plays and reintegrate some of the Matt Canada concepts that helped them score 30 ppg earlier this season.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

1. No running game. BTW, Connor is hurt again.
2. Receivers bobbling more balls than Liberace at his birthday party.
3. Too many people hurt on defense.

 

[Coryea]

We've run the ball 55 times the past 3 games for 136 yards. Thats 18 times a game for an average of 2.4 ypc. The run game doesn't work, we can't run the ball. Yes I'd love throw the ball downfield more, to do that the Oline needs to give us time to do so. I posted a clip in another thread where we attempted to throw downfield vs Buffalo and Buffalo had 4 guys get through while our linemen are standing there looking like what happened.
Why does everyone want him under center behind that line? How about we attempt to help the line with some max protection? We ran 2 plays out of the no huddle, Ben has a passer rating of 131 in the no huddle yet we only ran two plays out of the no huddle.

I don't know who is calling the plays. I never got into that one way or the other...again, it is pure speculation.

This is not meant to rip on Ben. But if the rest of the team needs to make adjustments, shouldn't the leader of the team be held to the same standard? Teams seem to have caught up to this short passing game, drops or not. So now Ben needs to adjust. Maybe under center more. Maybe a moving pocket more. Maybe some play action (I think the issue with play action is not only that they don't run it well, but they hardly run it). Can he do it?

I think there is some inconsistency here with this adjustment idea. I get the sense the coaching staff needs to adjust, the OL needs to adjust, the defense needs to adjust, the running backs need to adjust, but ****, Ben? He can just keep doing what he is doing.

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[Black & Gold Bleeder]

All I'm saying is 99% pistol makes us one dimensional. Makes everything harder. And if we can't run, the opponents d can pin their ears back and come after Ben. So why are we remaining one dimensional.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I mean, how often was Josh Allen under Center? KC ran the clock out vs Miami with Mahomes in the gun with short passes, Brees, Rodgers are always in shot gun, that's the new NFL, most QB's/teams are in the shot gun. There aren't a ton of teams like Cleveland that are going to line up under center a ton.

GB and NO are good run teams and both use a FB. They are based on play action off a strong run game. The Chiefs and Bills have run threat QBs that helps open things up. When your QB is a run threat then those shotgun fakes work as play actio. The suck up the defense. That's why the Ravens have guys open all the time.

Ben is no run threat at all so that means the OL needs to do the work like it does for NO and GB. The Steeler OL has become **** since Munchak left. I think it's a combo of things. Pouncey Decastro and Al do seems to be declining physically. Then you couple that with Sarrett being a poor OL coach and Fichtner having no idea how to scheme a run game and you have this disaster.

There is also the offseason failure of not having a blocking TE on the roster. Ebron is no blocker. Vance has only ever been mediocre at it and Genrty is a complete stiff. They may as well play Claypool or JuJu at TE and you'd get about the same run blocking.

They should start playing an OT at TE for now. They should have traded for a blocking TE.

 

[Coryea]

The Bills don't run the ball, GB and NO still run a ton from the shotgun without a fb. Ben hasn't been a threat to run for years, but we use to be decent running from the shotgun when our line was younger. The Oline is the problem, putting Ben under center, or using a FB isn't going to work. We need to take a page from Buffalo's adjustments ve us, they went max protect, identified our best interior guy(cam) and doubled him and chipped on Watt.
Thats what we need to do max protect, im all for sitting ebrons *** bring in the extra T and a rb to leave in to block and run 3 wrs, hope that can give us time to throw some 10-15 yard routes

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