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The Coronavirus thread

oneforthebus said:
We have done that, although I know many here will discount the CDC numbers. This is from October so a bit out of date, but you get the gist. Incidentally deaths were actually lower among the youngest age group, most likely due to a lot less driving which is a big cause of death for young people.



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
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? I do not follow. Was there a link?

Edit: link shows on my reply......need to review on computer, not phone. Thanks OFTB.

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Ron Burgundy said:
Because they supply the whole world with almost everything and own half of it.
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That was on its way to changing at least for the United States, unfortunately that guy is now living below me in South Florida and we have a commie *** kisser for a president now.
 
oneforthebus said:
We have done that, although I know many here will discount the CDC numbers. This is from October so a bit out of date, but you get the gist. Incidentally deaths were actually lower among the youngest age group, most likely due to a lot less driving which is a big cause of death for young people.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
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I've seen these conclusions as well and the CDC has been updating this report. Yes, deaths are up overall this year v last year. Most simply they assume it's all "due to COVID", i.e., people caught COVID and additional people died from it.

I think that's too simple. I know I posted this before for Flog but it all bears repeating.

We had an abnormal increase in deaths in various categories that were not because the patient had COVID. Weird. My take? The media and the government scared the living **** out of people. For at least 3 months, no one saw a doctor save for a telemedicine appointment maybe. Many went longer. Many still haven't seen a doctor in a year. Many stopped exercising. Ate more. And yes, COVID did kill additional.

But it's not binary, meaning ALL additional deaths are because COVID killed them all or not The effects of the lockdowns killed eople also - people not getting dialysis, seeing their doctors, getting cancer treatments and so on. To what degree? I guess time will tell.

40,000 extra deaths from diabetes, Alzheimer’s, high blood pressure and pneumonia. In several states, deaths attributed to diabetes are at least 20 percent above normal this year. Deaths from Alzheimer’s disease, which usually affects older adults, are 12 percent above normal this year.



At least 10 states have seen deaths from high blood pressure — a common comorbidity like diabetes — rise even higher than the national percentage. These may include deaths from heart failure, kidney failure or stroke. Also, high blood pressure is often affected by stress, which we all saw much of last year.



This one I found odd since the flu disappeared and may well be directly linked to COVID. But who knows? Again for over a quarter of the year, people wouldn't leave their houses and doctors were seeing no one so.

 
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Boom. COVID just doesn't scare Democrats anymore. People like Floggy can leave their bubbles now because their fearless leaders say it's safe, even though a thousand people a day still die from it.

California health officials lift stay-at-home order for all regions

In a press release, health officials said the four-week projection for ICU capacity in the three regions were expected to reach above 15%.

California health officials have lifted the regional stay-at-home order for all areas statewide on Monday morning, including the San Joaquin Valley, Southern California and the Bay Area, where ICU capacities still remain under 15%.

In a press release, health officials said the four-week projection for ICU capacity in the three regions were expected to reach above 15%.

A majority of the counties within the three areas will return to the purple tier in Gov. Gavin Newsom's color-coded tier system, which while less restrictive than the stay-at-home order, still requires non-essential businesses to close and restaurants to serve outdoors only.

California's health secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly will go back to providing weekly tier updates, officials said.

Counties still have the authority to set their own restrictions, and some may decide to keep some of the governor's orders in place as they see necessary.

The announcement comes a few weeks after California lifted the stay-at-home order for the Greater Sacramento region. The order was never in effect in Northern California, which consists of 18 counties.

Gov. Newsom and state health officials were criticized for withholding data from the public that help them determine when the order would be lifted. State health officials defended that action, saying they rely on a very complex set of measurements that would confuse and potentially mislead the public if they were made public.
 
New York City showing how lockdowns and mask mandates are effective and stopping the spread of COVID

Coronavirus Positivity Rate Passes Ten Percent in 54 NYC Zip Codes

The rates of people testing positive for the coronavirus in some areas of New York City have reached ten percent or more, according to data provided by the city Friday.

The data showed that 54 of the city’s 177 zip codes had a positive test rate of ten percent or higher, compared to the week before Thanksgiving when 40 of the city’s zip codes saw positive test rates go above four percent.

The rates are far below the positivity rates from last spring, but much higher than October 21 when Democrat Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York announced he would lockdown any neighborhood with a positivity rate higher than four percent.

When case numbers soared statewide over the holidays, health officials designated “red zones” based on metrics of hospital capacity.

Meanwhile, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths increased this week, with an average of 67 residents of New York City dying of the virus compared with six when Cuomo announced the lockdown measures in October.

South Brooklyn had the highest positivity rate in the city, with 17.6 percent of people in the 11235 zip code testing positive for the coronavirus this past week alone, according to city data.

More than 33,763 New York state residents have died from the coronavirus as of Friday, according to state health data released Friday.
 
Just saw on the news that the CDC is recommending wearing TWO masks now. They said the more layers, the better. This is getting crazier and crazier.
 
Just to sum up. The situation is worse in CA, NY, MI, than when lockdowns went into effect but now these people are saying the science now tells them to open back up. I’m sure Fauci will be along to agree.
 
Yinzerlyn said:
Just saw on the news that the CDC is recommending wearing TWO masks now. They said the more layers, the better. This is getting crazier and crazier.
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I have no doubt and have said since day one that wearing an N95 mask will greatly reduce the infection rates from ANY respiratory illness. Obviously the more layers of fabric you have for any particulate to pass thru, the more likely you are to stop the particles. No difference than air filters for your furnace, there is a reason that MERV and HEPA filters work the way they do and are far superior to a fiberglass filter. With that said, anyone with half a brain also knew that wearing a cotton gather, or a cotton single ply "mask", or the sport fabric masks was going to be ineffective at stopping an outbreak. Why did Fauci, Birx, the surgeon general, CDC, and the WHO not tell people what type of mask was necessary to prevent the transmission of the virus from day one? They all know for a fact that the underwear masks that a lot of people are wearing is doing little to nothing to stop the transmission of the virus, but lets just keep on keeping on.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I've seen these conclusions as well and the CDC has been updating this report. Yes, deaths are up overall this year v last year. Most simply they assume it's all "due to COVID", i.e., people caught COVID and additional people died from it.

I think that's too simple. I know I posted this before for Flog but it all bears repeating.

We had an abnormal increase in deaths in various categories that were not because the patient had COVID. Weird. My take? The media and the government scared the living **** out of people. For at least 3 months, no one saw a doctor save for a telemedicine appointment maybe. Many went longer. Many still haven't seen a doctor in a year. Many stopped exercising. Ate more. And yes, COVID did kill additional.

But it's not binary, meaning ALL additional deaths are because COVID killed them all or not The effects of the lockdowns killed eople also - people not getting dialysis, seeing their doctors, getting cancer treatments and so on. To what degree? I guess time will tell.

40,000 extra deaths from diabetes, Alzheimer’s, high blood pressure and pneumonia. In several states, deaths attributed to diabetes are at least 20 percent above normal this year. Deaths from Alzheimer’s disease, which usually affects older adults, are 12 percent above normal this year.



At least 10 states have seen deaths from high blood pressure — a common comorbidity like diabetes — rise even higher than the national percentage. These may include deaths from heart failure, kidney failure or stroke. Also, high blood pressure is often affected by stress, which we all saw much of last year.



This one I found odd since the flu disappeared and may well be directly linked to COVID. But who knows? Again for over a quarter of the year, people wouldn't leave their houses and doctors were seeing no one so.

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I don't doubt that every excess death isn't due to covid. I believe the CDC only attributes 2/3 of the excess deaths to covid. I don't think we'll ever really know how many people died of covid vs. how many people died of other things while also testing positive for covid.

I believe covid is a mild illness in most people, and overall it's probably somewhat more deadly than the flu, especially in certain groups of people. It's not a hoax but not really worthy of the over the top reaction of government. I've said from the beginning people who are at low risk of severe illness and death should be allowed to go about their lives as normal with minor precautions. People at high risk should have been urged to protect themselves further.

That would have been much more sustainable, produced far less economic and psychological damage, and the loss of life probably wouldn't have been much greater.

Heck, thousands of college kids tested positive when some schools went back last fall. Almost none were hospitalized and I think I only heard of one or two who passed away. No worse than what meningitis does in a normal semester. Probably less in terms of serious illness and death.
 
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Yinzerlyn said:
Just saw on the news that the CDC is recommending wearing TWO masks now. They said the more layers, the better. This is getting crazier and crazier.
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Tim Steelersfan said:
Boom. COVID just doesn't scare Democrats anymore. People like Floggy can leave their bubbles now because their fearless leaders say it's safe, even though a thousand people a day still die from it.

California health officials lift stay-at-home order for all regions

In a press release, health officials said the four-week projection for ICU capacity in the three regions were expected to reach above 15%.

California health officials have lifted the regional stay-at-home order for all areas statewide on Monday morning, including the San Joaquin Valley, Southern California and the Bay Area, where ICU capacities still remain under 15%.

In a press release, health officials said the four-week projection for ICU capacity in the three regions were expected to reach above 15%.

A majority of the counties within the three areas will return to the purple tier in Gov. Gavin Newsom's color-coded tier system, which while less restrictive than the stay-at-home order, still requires non-essential businesses to close and restaurants to serve outdoors only.

California's health secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly will go back to providing weekly tier updates, officials said.

Counties still have the authority to set their own restrictions, and some may decide to keep some of the governor's orders in place as they see necessary.

The announcement comes a few weeks after California lifted the stay-at-home order for the Greater Sacramento region. The order was never in effect in Northern California, which consists of 18 counties.

Gov. Newsom and state health officials were criticized for withholding data from the public that help them determine when the order would be lifted. State health officials defended that action, saying they rely on a very complex set of measurements that would confuse and potentially mislead the public if they were made public.
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The best part is that COVID hospitalizations are almost three times as high as they were when the lockdown was instituted on December 3rd, and yet they are reopening. Something stinks. I’ve said it before about 100 times, I think we’ve been had.
 
Sarge said:
The best part is that COVID hospitalizations are almost three times as high as they were when the lockdown was instituted on December 3rd, and yet they are reopening. Something stinks. I’ve said it before about 100 times, I think we’ve been had.
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They're just following the science. Political science.
 
Sarge said:
The best part is that COVID hospitalizations are almost three times as high as they were when the lockdown was instituted on December 3rd, and yet they are reopening. Something stinks. I’ve said it before about 100 times, I think we’ve been had.
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3,193,230 cases in California. Oh open up now. A con. All political for them. We're dealing with some very ****** up people in this country.
 
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dr-fauci-responsible-covid-19-mistakes-miranda-devine

Good article talking about Fauci and his own "mistakes" dealing with the pandemic

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6225847837001

Maybe the reason a vaccine was so rapidly available is that Fauci and his partners knew the genetic make-up of the virus from day one.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dr-anthony-fauci-coronavirus-marco-rubio

Finally, "Follow the Science!" Until it is shown that science can manipulate and lie in order to alter behavior. He should be relieved of any position within the government, his actions during the pandemic should be investigated by the Medical Review Board for ethics violations, and if he willfully continued creating these lab created Corona Virus after they were shut down by the Obama administration, he should be tried in both criminal and civil courts for his actions.
 
Steelr4evr said:
3,193,230 cases in California. Oh open up now. A con. All political for them. We're dealing with some very ****** up people in this country.
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We have no way of knowing how many actual cases there are, much like we have no way of knowing how many people are actually being vaccinated.
 
If it keeps spreading it will keep mutating. If it continues to mutate we’ll be hard pressed to keep up with effective vaccines.
 
I couldn’t smell my coffee this morning and it really pissed me off. I got a rapid Covid test at lunch and it was negative. The technician was double masked. Libtards don’t have any brain cells to spare. Now they’re killing off the few that they have by starving them of oxygen.

Good riddance.
 
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IndySteel said:
I couldn’t smell my coffee this morning and it really pissed me off. I got a rapid Covid test at lunch and it was negative. The technician was double masked. Libtards don’t have any brain cells to spare. Now they’re killing off the few that they have by starving them of oxygen.

Good riddance.
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We trying to have another PPE shortage.
 
IndySteel said:
I couldn’t smell my coffee this morning and it really pissed me off. I got a rapid Covid test at lunch and it was negative. The technician was double masked. Libtards don’t have any brain cells to spare. Now they’re killing off the few that they have by starving them of oxygen.

Good riddance.
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Why bother even getting a test then?
 
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