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The Coronavirus thread

Also, you assume that mask mandates, social distancing and restrictions are absolute. Everyone adheres to them and in states where there aren’t any, or less of them, nobody does. My in-laws live in Florida and they wear masks and avoid social gatherings and they’re Trumptards too! My father-in-law is a 78 year-old cancer survivor, he is rightfully concerned about Covid. He’s not alone in that regard in snow bird country.

Yes EXACTLY! The mandates are meaningless because some people are going to follow them and some people aren't. You can close restaurants and some people will still get together privately. You can have everyone in Walmart wearing a mask but some people will be sitting maskless in crowded houses at Super Bowl parties today. No one is arguing that these measures have no effect. People who feel they are at risk like your in-laws should absolutely take every single precaution they choose to take.

As I have said before, yes, if we all stayed home for the rest of our lives no one would ever get any infectious illness. But that is not a realistic or viable approach due to human nature, and the fact that no matter what anyone does in any state to try and restrict people, the virus still spreads in more or less similar ways, is direct and irrefutable evidence of that.

I don't know why this message can't get through to you.
 
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Yes EXACTLY! The mandates are meaningless because some people are going to follow them and some people aren't. You can close restaurants and some people will still get together privately. You can have everyone in Walmart wearing a mask but some people will be sitting maskless in crowded houses at Super Bowl parties today. No one is arguing that these measures have no effect. People who feel they are at risk like your in-laws should absolutely take every single precaution they choose to take.

As I have said before, yes, if we all stayed home for the rest of our lives no one would ever get any infectious illness. But that is not a realistic or viable approach due to human nature, and the fact that no matter what anyone does in any state to try and restrict people, the virus still spreads in more or less similar ways, is direct and irrefutable evidence of that.

I don't know why this message can't get through to you.

Some people commit rape and murder, does that make those laws meaningless?

If only people who feel they are at risk take precautions, the virus continues to spread and the pandemic continues.

We’re not being asked to stay home for the rest of our lives.

The virus does not spread in more or less similar ways regardless of restrictions! Are you kidding? While the U.S. is concerned about people gathering for Super Bowl parties, New Zealand has full stadiums of maskless rugby fans.
 
Some people commit rape and murder, does that make those laws meaningless?

If only people who feel they are at risk take precautions, the virus continues to spread and the pandemic continues.

We’re not being asked to stay home for the rest of our lives.

The virus does not spread in more or less similar ways regardless of restrictions! Are you kidding? While the U.S. is concerned about people gathering for Super Bowl parties, New Zealand has full stadiums of maskless rugby fans.

The virus had already ripped it's way through New York City before we even knew it was here. To compare the US to a small island nation whose first case appeared at the end of February is ridiculous. Those kinds of measures might have worked here in October or November of 2019 but no one knew anything about it at that point.

You think we can manage this now with state run mandatory quarantine facilities like New Zealand does? Ok.
 
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If only people who feel they are at risk take precautions, the virus continues to spread and the pandemic continues.

As I've said all along, it's ideology to you. Despite the overwhelming evidence that has been presented to you here showing that masks and lockdowns are having little to no impact, you still (based on your statement above) simply believe they are effective. States with lesser mandates have fewer cases, spread, etc. Studies show the masks do little to prevent spread. Contact tracing shows spread occurs at 1.43% in restaurants but over 73% at home.

No matter how much data and fact is thrown your way, you believe. You are devout to your religion, I'll give you that.
 
And by the way why are you celebrating New Zealand having stadiums full of maskless people? Isn't this your worst nightmare? Do you actually believe the virus is no longer capable of spreading in New Zealand? What kind of magical fairy dust did they use to achieve that?
 
You think we can manage this now with state run mandatory quarantine facilities like New Zealand does? Ok.

Wait, what??? You literally just argued that it didn’t matter how Covid was managed, it would spread regardless.
 
As I've said all along, it's ideology to you. Despite the overwhelming evidence that has been presented to you here showing that masks and lockdowns are having little to no impact, you still (based on your statement above) simply believe they are effective. States with lesser mandates have fewer cases, spread, etc. Studies show the masks do little to prevent spread. Contact tracing shows spread occurs at 1.43% in restaurants but over 73% at home.

No matter how much data and fact is thrown your way, you believe. You are devout to your religion, I'll give you that.

On the contrary Tim, it is you who has disregarded everything you ever KNEW about contagious disease because of your devotion to your ideology. Cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze or cough. Stay away from people when you’re sick and stay away from sick people. You decided to disregard all that when you realized you were going to have to do it long term and it was going to be really inconvenient and problematic.

States with lesser mandates do not have fewer cases. North and South Dakota are 1 and 2 all time in case rate. Currently, Arkansas and Oklahoma are two of the states with the highest case rates. But never mind that, let’s assume what you said to be true. You cannot begin to explain why that would be. Prove me wrong. What would be the reason for that? You have unwittingly painted yourself into a corner of arguing that Covid is random, not contagious.
 
On the contrary Tim, it is you who has disregarded everything you ever KNEW about contagious disease because of your devotion to your ideology. Cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze or cough. Stay away from people when you’re sick and stay away from sick people. You decided to disregard all that when you realized you were going to have to do it long term and it was going to be really inconvenient and problematic.

States with lesser mandates do not have fewer cases. North and South Dakota are 1 and 2 all time in case rate. Currently, Arkansas and Oklahoma are two of the states with the highest case rates. But never mind that, let’s assume what you said to be true. You cannot begin to explain why that would be. Prove me wrong. What would be the reason for that? You have unwittingly painted yourself into a corner of arguing that Covid is random, not contagious.

You're as dense as a ******* brick. You persistently point to outliers, or individual examples to justify your theory that isn't grounded in fact.

First, ARKANSAS HAS A MASK MANDATE dipshit

You quite literally operate by saying "Golly Gomer look this one here state had no mandates and has a high case rate therefore, all states without mask mandates are doing poorly." Likewise, I could spend a week sifting through your posts to find one intelligent thing you've said. Finding an example or two doesn't change the fact you're a dumbass. Make sense?

Let's add to your random choice of states shall we?

You point to Oklahoma and Arkansas. Cool. Were you aware?

Rhode Island, mask mandate = YES, case rate 11.13%
Utah, mask mandate = YES, case rate 11.03%
Tennessee, mask mandate = NO, case rate 10.87%
Iowa, mask mandate = NO, case rate 10.28%
Oklahoma, mask mandate = NO, case rate 10.15%
Arkansas, mask mandate = YES, case rate 10.14%. <---mask mandate implemented 7/20
Nebraska, mask mandate = NO, case rate 10.0%
Alabama, mask mandate = YES, case rate 9.61%
Indiana, mask mandate = YES, case rate 9.48%
Florida, mask mandate = NO, case rate 8.25%
Missouri, mask mandate = NO, case rate 8.25%
Alaska, mask mandate = NO, case rate 7.28%

Since Florida was previously used as an example, let's point to it as the shining star. Were you aware that 17 states WITH mask mandates have a higher case rate than Florida?

The national average case rate is 8.29%. The entire USA has a case rate of 8.29%. 27 states have a case rate HIGHER than 8.29%. 16 of those 27 states have a face mask mandate. 11 do not.



Know what all of that data shows? It shows there is literally no verifiable evidence that mask mandates work. Because if mask mandates worked, universally you would see the states with the worst case rates being states that have no mask mandate. But 27 states are above the national average and 16 of those (the majority) have face mask mandates.

Case closed.

From close to day one I've said COVID is a virus and its going to run its course, masks and lockdowns be damned. Why? Because epidemiologists were saying just that - we are all gonna get it, we can only hope to slow the spread. DUH. The problem is YOUR side, you and the CoronaBros, the CoronaCheerleaders, believe that masks and mandates will cure the bogeyman.

The science shows they are wholly ineffective.

Keep practicing your faith.
 
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Wait, what??? You literally just argued that it didn’t matter how Covid was managed, it would spread regardless.

An island can close it borders and reasonably expect to mitigate the spread in the right circumstances. There is no stopping it
on a continental scale.
 
Wait, what??? You literally just argued that it didn’t matter how Covid was managed, it would spread regardless.

Nope. I've never argued that.

What I've said is you can slow it down, you can't eliminate it. And the measures you take to slow it down have to be sustainable and realistic. And they can't have worse effects on the people as a whole than the virus itself.

In a small, isolated island nation that had one or two or three cases yes you can slow it down a lot better by forcibly isolating those three people. If you get to it in that time frame those types of measures make sense.

New Zealand slowed it down a lot because they were fortunate enough to catch their first cases earlier. They didn't "eliminate the virus". Short of everyone being vaccinated, if they open up their borders again, stop with the government enforced mandatory quarantines and go back to normal life eventually the virus is going to do what the virus does. Do you deny that?

Incidentally do you recall who didn't want to shut down our borders like New Zealand did? Joe ******* Biden. Nancy Pelosi. Anthony Fauci.
 
I can't decide whether my comment should be

Foggy bitchslapped by OFTB, again

Or

OFTB manhandled Foggy, again?

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Yep.

That’s what viruses do. Spread virally.

"Buh...but...buh...but...Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx told me masks and social distancing would stop the spread!"
 
Flog21 and Flibself will be along shortly to explain how California and New York's restrictive lockdowns have been a boon to the economies of those states, while Florida, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina South Dakota, and Texas are lagging. For example, unemployment rates. Look here:

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

South Dakota 3.0%
Alabama 3.9%
South Carolina 4.6%
Georgia 5.6%
Florida 6.1%
Texas 7.2%

New York 8.2%
California 8.4%

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Update on the story TSF posted about Rebekah Jones, the phony "whistleblower." She sued Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement, claiming retaliation against her for revealing the "truth" about Covid deaths. Turns out what she claimed was a lie and where she illegally accessed "the state’s emergency alert health system, warning employees 'to speak up before another 17,000 people are dead. You know this is wrong. You don’t have to be a part of this. Be a hero.' ”

So the hero dropped her lawsuit, while the criminal investigation against her goes on. Huh. Almost as if her claim was bullshit.

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/02/...s-lawsuit-florida-department-law-enforcement/
 
He is clearly not the correct shade of black.

Exactamundo. These are the shades you are looking for:

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Medium dark, just shy of espresso.

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Very dark, north of French roast.

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Now this, THIS is the desired tone, midnight black. And PLEASE note the attention to detail from these amazing non-racist racists - painting their hands black just to be sure.
 
How Many Americans Has the American Medical Establishment Killed?
Dennis Prager / Feb. 9, 2021

Americans have been denied both life-saving information and life-saving drugs.


I should state at the outset that were it not for doctors, I would either be paralyzed or dead. I owe my mobility and probably my life to wonderful physicians. However, I will now state with equal certitude that the American medical profession as a whole and many individual doctors are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans — very possibly, more than that. Along with the media — from The New York Times to Google/YouTube, Facebook and Twitter — Americans have been denied both life-saving information and life-saving drugs.

I am specifically referring to hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. These drugs (along with zinc), which are as safe as any medicines humanity has taken in the last half-century, should have been almost universally used to treat COVID-19 patients as soon as those patients showed symptoms or tested positive — and even as a prophylactic to prevent or minimize the effects of the illness in the first place. If they had been, it is likely that tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of those who died of the virus would have lived.

For the record, I put my medicines where my mouth is. I have been taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc (as well as vitamin D and selenium) on a regular basis for half a year, and ivermectin for the past three months. More for the record: During this time, I have hugged hundreds of strangers at various events around the country, maskless. In addition, at home, I live with four people: my wife, two stepsons and the fiancee of one of the sons. That couple, both in their mid-20s, developed symptoms and then tested positive for COVID-19 a month ago. They were the only two members of the family not to be on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. And while they were ill, my wife and I practiced no social distancing, wore no masks in the house and tested negative twice (as responsible citizens, we quarantined at home for 14 days).

The son and his fiancee immediately began a course of treatment of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, ivermectin, vitamin D and selenium, and within half a day, they were feeling better. A few days later, all their symptoms had vanished.

Of course, the medical establishment, the media and others committed to irrationality, fear, making fortunes from pharmaceutical companies and keeping Americans from a normal life will dismiss all this as just anecdotes. But I would ask: How many anecdotes about the effectiveness of these safe drugs does it take to persuade people? I would ask a more damning question: Given how safe hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are, what could we have possibly lost by allowing millions of people to take these medicines?

Or, to put it another way, if doctors who advocate for the use of these safe drugs are wrong, what price would we have paid? Essentially none. But what if Dr. Anthony Fauci, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, The New York Times, CNN, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health and the poor souls who trust them are wrong? The price we have paid is tens of thousands of dead Americans, and quite possibly more than that.

We paid another horrific price for listening to the medical establishment, the colluding media, Democratic governors and others on the left. We have killed much of our economy; robbed tens of millions of Americans of their livelihoods; quite possibly put the dollar on the road to near-worthlessness; perhaps ensured future inflation that will further destroy the well-being of the American people; and sent innumerable Americans spiraling into depression, drug and alcohol use, spousal and child abuse, and suicide.

I offer an example of NIH dishonesty bordering on malpractice. On Nov. 9, 2020, the NIH issued a report titled “Hydroxychloroquine Does Not Benefit Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19.” This was dishonest for two reasons: First, zinc wasn’t used. While hydroxychloroquine alone can help fight COVID-19, every physician who prescribes hydroxychloroquine to COVID-19 patients insists it be accompanied by zinc. Hydroxychloroquine without zinc is like a gun without a bullet. Second, everyone who advocates the use of hydroxychloroquine and zinc to fight COVID-19 insists it be given as early as possible, i.e., before hospitalization.

So, the NIH test was useless. Why those who conducted it did not give patients zinc and waited until they were hospitalized are such obvious questions that either those doctors were ignorant of hydroxychloroquine protocols or they set the test up to fail. Either explanation constitutes a moral and medical scandal.

It is extremely important to note that the report concluded that hydroxychloroquine was “found not to cause harm.”

This is from the CDC on Sept. 4, 2020: “Current data indicate that the potential benefits of these drugs (hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine) do not outweigh their risks.” Given that there are almost no risks, the CDC statement is egregious.

Now to ivermectin.

The NIH, on Aug. 27, 2020, announced: “The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel recommends against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19, except in a clinical trial.”

However, three months later, on Nov. 28, 2020, the NIH published this finding regarding ivermectin: “Countries with routine mass drug administration of prophylactic chemotherapy including ivermectin have a significantly lower incidence of COVID-19.”

Consequently, on Jan. 14, 2021, the NIH withdrew its opposition to ivermectin — but, incredibly, still refused to endorse it: “The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) has determined that currently there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19.”

How many Americans died from COVID-19 between Aug. 27, 2020, and Jan. 14, 2021, because of NIH waffling?

That report contained a truly deceitful statement concerning hydroxychloroquine: that it carries “considerable risk of sometimes fatal complications and interactions.” On Dec. 16, 2020, the FDA declared that ivermectin “is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.”

Meanwhile, YouTube took down a U.S. Senate hearing featuring doctors and epidemiologists who spoke in favor of ivermectin.

When we get to the other side of the COVID-19 crisis and all the damage is tallied — the unnecessary deaths and the ruined lives — the medical establishment, the media and many politicians are going to have a lot to answer for.

At a great price, we have learned that “follow the science” and “follow the scientists” are not the same thing. We have followed the latter off a cliff.

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/7760...rican-medical-establishment-killed-2021-02-09
 
My 11 year old daughter just tested positive today. ****, I thought we were going to make it thru this without anyone on the house getting it.
She hasn't been anywhere other than school so I assume that's where she picked it up
 
My 11 year old daughter just tested positive today. ****, I thought we were going to make it thru this without anyone on the house getting it.
She hasn't been anywhere other than school so I assume that's where she picked it up

Sorry to hear that. Hope she's feeling ok? Lots of Vitamin C, Zinc, Vitamin D. Little Critters immune C gummies have all three and we were eating them like candy. Lots of fluids. Hot drinks made me feel a lot better.

My youngest (17) got nothing but a runny nose and did lose his sense of taste and smell. It took several weeks to come back but it's fine now so don't panic if that happens

May she get well soon!
 
What OFTB said. Sorry to hear that Steeler, but she'll be fine with the right Rx. That's Zinc, vitamin D & C -- and look into probiotics (they take a little while to work, but they are fantastic when you get the right one). And of course all the other alphabet vitamins.

And rest, hydration and just being stress-free. Stress causes so much strain on the body we don't even realize. And hot soups/drinks an A plus. I drank green tea and ate hot soup when I was feeling it, and I recovered on the 3rd day and have been cough/sniffle/fever free ever since.
 
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