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The Coronavirus thread

Tibs said:
Yes, I found ‘em for you! 👍🏻

Being the exemplary medical scholar and researcher that you are, why not ask your questions from folks who can give you some credible answers?

You know, have some peer-to-peer discussions with others of your ilk & caliber. Why waste your time thrashing around like a fish out of water on some dumb sports messageoboard?

Let us know once you’ve returned from your intellectual journey to uncover the truth, and nothing but the truth.

Feel free to use any of these, at your convenience. Godspeed, Tim!

www.cdc.gov

Contact CDC

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1600 Clifton Road, Atlanta, GA 30329 USA; 800-CDC-INFO
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov


Contact us

www.who.int www.who.int

Institute for Pandemics

Welcome to the University of Toronto’s Institute for Pandemics, the world’s first academic centre dedicated exclusively to preventing, preparing for, fighting and recovering from pandemics.
www.dlsph.utoronto.ca www.dlsph.utoronto.ca
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That's cute Tibs. Let me see, I post SCIENTIFIC studies/messaging from:

The US Surgeon General, Danish scientists/medical researchers, the CDC itself, National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance, The Children’s Hospital at Westmead and The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, Department of Family and Community Medicine, Faculty of Medicine in Rabigh, King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, Menzies Institute for Medical Research Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, the European CDC, the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, the Acute Respiratory Infections Group, the University of Illinois, the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Medical Journal, German medical professionals, the University of Minnesota...

You ask me to contact the CDC. They published evidence masking doesn't work.

You ask me to contact WHO. From the WHO as reported by CNN: "(CNN) World Health Organization officials Monday said they still recommend people not wear face masks unless they are sick with Covid-19 or caring for someone who is sick."

How many more scientific sources saying masks don't work do you need? You have no faith in the New England Journal of Medicine? Our CDC? The European CDC? The British Medical Journal?

Are you going to call all of them tin foil hat wearing conspirators too?

Good Lord man. Earth do indeed be flat I guess.
 
Troglodyte said:
LOL! You’re kidding right? My (very well established and often repeated) argument is that SD (definitely NOT densely populated) should NOT have high case rates. Densely populated areas are naturally at a disadvantage in managing a CONTAGIOUS disease. Density and cases SHOULD go hand in hand. If sparsely populated areas (like SD) have comparatively higher case rates, they obviously did something wrong. Again, what can logically explain high case rates in rural, sparsely populated areas? Is it not counterintuitive?
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How often to do we have to repeat this outlier dance?

I have shown you with data....there is NO correlation between densely and sparsely populated areas and COVID infections. There is no linear correlation.

You keep saying "See this ONE spot that supports my theory? Therefore it must be true."

In order to establish realism, you need large sample sets. You know, a survey of 1,000 people is not often representative of American opinion overall. Pointing to ONE state to make your case for lockdowns and mask mandates is equally as faulty.

77% of the 30 leading states in recent COVID cases are locked down and force mask mandates.

When looking at ALL of the US States and territories, those without lockdown and mask mandates are faring FAR better than or equal to those states that are locked down.

Why is that Hypoflog? Why are the states that continue to insist on lockdowns and masks doing so poorly? The states....plural. If lockdowns and masking worked, logically, those states with them should be doing far better than those states without.

You've never been able to answer that. Because you can't....and that's ok.
 
I'm still waiting for one resident mask-supporting member here to explain the following. The states in GREEN are states with no mask mandate. The data sorted by cases per 100K over the past 7 days, as maintained by the New York Times.

Can someone explain why overall the states without mask mandates are clearly faring better in case management than those with? Anyone? If masking worked, wouldn't you see the states in GREEN dominating the top half or top third of the list?

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Split the list in half. The first 25 are the hardest hit. States 26-51 are the least impacted.

Of the 25 states hardest hit, 18 of them have a mask mandate (72%)
Of the 26 states suffering the least, 9 of them have a mask mandate (35%)

Or said another way....
Of the 25 states hardest hit, 7 of them require no masks (28%)
Of the 25 states suffering the least, 17 of them require no masks (65%)

Clearly, plainly, evidently those states without mask mandates are by and large, when you consider all states, suffering fewer new cases of COVID.

If masking worked....
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
How often to do we have to repeat this outlier dance?

I have shown you with data....there is NO correlation between densely and sparsely populated areas and COVID infections. There is no linear correlation.

You keep saying "See this ONE spot that supports my theory? Therefore it must be true."

In order to establish realism, you need large sample sets. You know, a survey of 1,000 people is not often representative of American opinion overall. Pointing to ONE state to make your case for lockdowns and mask mandates is equally as faulty.

77% of the 30 leading states in recent COVID cases are locked down and force mask mandates.

When looking at ALL of the US States and territories, those without lockdown and mask mandates are faring FAR better than or equal to those states that are locked down.

Why is that Hypoflog? Why are the states that continue to insist on lockdowns and masks doing so poorly? The states....plural. If lockdowns and masking worked, logically, those states with them should be doing far better than those states without.

You've never been able to answer that. Because you can't....and that's ok.
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Outlier? SD, ND, UT, IA, OK, NE all are in the Top 10 Covid case rates. All sparsely populated states. All should have had an advantage in managing Covid vs densely populated states. Unless you can come up with a better explanation, it looks like all of them underestimated Covid.
 
Troglodyte said:
Outlier? SD, ND, UT, IA, OK, NE all are in the Top 10 Covid case rates. All sparsely populated states. All should have had an advantage in managing Covid vs densely populated states. Unless you can come up with a better explanation, it looks like all of them underestimated Covid.
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See above LMAO

In current case loads, they rank in terms of cases per 100K
SD - 18
ND - 21
UT - 38
IA - 33
NE - 30
OK - 49

Who are the worst Floggy?? Which states are doing the best overall? Those with, or those without masks?

You don't have to answer, the answer is there.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I'm still waiting for one resident mask-supporting member here to explain the following. The states in GREEN are states with no mask mandate. The data sorted by cases per 100K over the past 7 days, as maintained by the New York Times.

Can someone explain why overall the states without mask mandates are clearly faring better in case management than those with? Anyone? If masking worked, wouldn't you see the states in GREEN dominating the top half or top third of the list?

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Split the list in half. The first 25 are the hardest hit. States 26-51 are the least impacted.

Of the 25 states hardest hit, 18 of them have a mask mandate (72%)
Of the 26 states suffering the least, 9 of them have a mask mandate (35%)

Or said another way....
Of the 25 states hardest hit, 7 of them require no masks (28%)
Of the 25 states suffering the least, 17 of them require no masks (65%)

Clearly, plainly, evidently those states without mask mandates are by and large, when you consider all states, suffering fewer new cases of COVID.

If masking worked....
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Now sort that by all time cases/pop.
 
Troglodyte said:
Now sort that by all time cases/pop.
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Pointless exercise. Many of the states that have no mask mandate once did. No way to sort it based on varying time series. Nor is there any other point. What matters is where we are now, period.

At this moment in time the states without mask mandates are fairing far better overall than those without. I ran this report 2 weeks ago. Same distribution.

Masks aren't working and as some studies have shown, they may actually exacerbate the spread of COVID.

Feel free to do your own homework and provide your own analysis. Not that I expect a free loader who can't contribute to the site to actually do any work.
 
Dupe
 
Good news, Flog. Beijing Joe is in your corner.



He's had the vaccine, but wears two - TWO - masks.

And is a stuttering dolt, unable to complete a sentence. In short, your intellectual equal and hero.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
See above LMAO

In current case loads, they rank in terms of cases per 100K
SD - 18
ND - 21
UT - 38
IA - 33
NE - 30
OK - 49

Who are the worst Floggy?? Which states are doing the best overall? Those with, or those without masks?

You don't have to answer, the answer is there.
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Current. So ignore the damage done, look at the snap-shot? The world according to Tim.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Pointless exercise. Many of the states that have no mask mandate once did. No way to sort it based on varying time series. Nor is there any other point. What matters is where we are now, period.

At this moment in time the states without mask mandates are fairing far better overall than those without. I ran this report 2 weeks ago. Same distribution.

Masks aren't working and as some studies have shown, they may actually exacerbate the spread of COVID.

Feel free to do your own homework and provide your own analysis. Not that I expect a free loader who can't contribute to the site to actually do any work.
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Then your no statewide mask mandate is equally pointless as there are counties within those states that do have mask mandates.
 
Troglodyte said:
Current. So ignore the damage done, look at the snap-shot? The world according to Tim.
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This is an analysis of what is working and not working Hypoflog. Really simple, again...and again....and again....

If masks worked, why are over 3/4 of the states that lead the country in new infections still mandating masks. If masks worked....well they'd be working ammiiiirite?

Your doctor prescribes you medicine for your acne. You rub it on your face 3 times a day as prescribed. After a week, your acne is no better. After a month its worse. The doc says "keep rubbing that **** on your face." 6 months later, your acne is literally no better and spreading. Doc keeps telling you "trust me, the medicine works." 14 months later your acne is still no better and now on your back.

How long do you keep taking that medicine Hypoflog believing it's actually working?
 
Troglodyte said:
Then your no statewide mask mandate is equally pointless as there are counties within those states that do have mask mandates.
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Show me which, then show me what % of the population they represent in those states.

You know, like your dumbass Texas comment saying they are doing sooooooo well because Austin (their 11th largest city) still has a mask mandate (need I remind you you claimed Houston had one too, they do not). Yep, Austin TX is keeping TX as one of the best performing states with COVID management. Yep. That's it. LMAO.

Show me your data on what areas of the no-mask-mandate states have regional mandates. The list of no-mask-mandate states is above. I'll wait.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
This is an analysis of what is working and not working Hypoflog. Really simple, again...and again....and again....

If masks worked, why are over 3/4 of the states that lead the country in new infections still mandating masks. If masks worked....well they'd be working ammiiiirite?

Your doctor prescribes you medicine for your acne. You rub it on your face 3 times a day as prescribed. After a week, your acne is no better. After a month its worse. The doc says "keep rubbing that **** on your face." 6 months later, your acne is literally no better and spreading. Doc keeps telling you "trust me, the medicine works." 14 months later your acne is still no better and now on your back.

How long do you keep taking that medicine Hypoflog believing it's actually working?
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Your maskless dumbfuck of a former President and his maskless administration and associates test positive for Covid. Trump, Lewnadowski, Meadows, Carson, Conway, McEnany, Stephen Miller, David Bosse, Richard Walters, Brian Jack, Hope Hicks, Chris Christie, Herman Cain, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Thom Tillis, Bill Stepian all test positive. How long do you keep defending your IDEOLOGY?
 
Troglodyte said:
Your maskless dumbfuck of a former President and his maskless administration and associates test positive for Covid. Trump, Lewnadowski, Meadows, Carson, Conway, McEnany, Stephen Miller, David Bosse, Richard Walters, Brian Jack, Hope Hicks, Chris Christie, Herman Cain, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Thom Tillis, Bill Stepian all test positive. How long do you keep defending your IDEOLOGY?
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If masks worked Hypoflog, WHY aren't the maskless states at the top of the list showing the most number of cases?

Why are the states leading the nation in cases per 100K mask-mandate states (77% of them are)?

Simple questions.

Provide any evidence they work. ALL of the evidence shows...they don't.
 
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Seems to be the level-headed smart approach

hotair.com

40 days after Texas's mask mandate was lifted, cases remain low and stable

We haven’t done an update on Texas in a few weeks and the occasion of the 40th day after Greg Abbott lifted the state’s mask mandate and capacity limits on businesses seems like a fine tim...
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And in the "You can't make **** up" segment today....

Gretchen Whitmer Blames Trump, State Supreme Court, Legislature, Residents, Spring Breakers, Elderly for Virus Rise​

www.breitbart.com

Gretchen Whitmer Spreads Blame Wide for Michigan Coronavirus Rise

Coronavirus cases have been rising in Michigan for several days and Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) has blamed just about everyone but herself.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
 
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SteelChip said:
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Yer just gonna gets Tibsy and Hypoflog all worked up now and they will come shrilling at you about world wide consensus, "If" you asked 100 out of 100 doctors what their answer would be, and tell you what they heard on the news.

Settled Science.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
If masks worked Hypoflog, WHY aren't the maskless states at the top of the list showing the most number of cases?

Why are the states leading the nation in cases per 100K mask-mandate states (77% of them are)?

Simple questions.

Provide any evidence they work. ALL of the evidence shows...they don't.
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“ALL of the evidence”, huh?

14 day change in cases:
Alabama +62%
Kansas +61%
Mississippi +18%
Arkansas +17%
Florida +14%
South Dakota +2%

Rhode Island -7%
California -12%
New Jersey -16%
Massachusetts -17%
New York -23%
 
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Where I live (suburb of Philly) everyone wears masks all the time. At least in public. Everyone is masked in stores. Kids wear masks in school and while playing sports. Yet people are still getting infected. I know people who are absolutely fanatical about masks and social distancing who have gotten infected.

You would think if masks were everything they were cracked up to be we would mostly see only see crazy right wing Trumper anti-maskers getting covid. Yet that's not the case.

Either masks don't work all that well, or a lot of people who pretend to be extremely conscientious about wearing them are lying.

I don't doubt that maybe masks can be helpful in close quarters in reducing some of the droplets flying around. They might have slowed the rate of transmission a little. But somewhere along the way (probably because Trump didn't enthusiastically get on board with them) they were politicized and transformed by the media into some magic panacea. If only we all wore them covid would go away!

That is utter stupidity.

Hundreds of millions of people around the world have been wearing masks for months. If masks stopped the spread of this illness significantly there would be some clear and convincing statistical evidence of that. As these pages of detailed and nuanced debate prove, that simply doesn't exist
 
Troglodyte said:
“ALL of the evidence”, huh?

14 day change in cases:
Alabama +62%
Kansas +61%
Mississippi +18%
Arkansas +17%
Florida +14%
South Dakota +2%

Rhode Island -7%
California -12%
New Jersey -16%
Massachusetts -17%
New York -23%
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You know what trend I see here? The lowest rates now are places where covid hit hardest and earliest. The highest are places that got it later.

Gee, it's almost like if you have more natural immunity in the population it can't spread as fast.

Nah, I'm sure it's the masks.
 
Troglodyte said:
“ALL of the evidence”, huh?

14 day change in cases:
Alabama +62%
Kansas +61%
Mississippi +18%
Arkansas +17%
Florida +14%
South Dakota +2%

Rhode Island -7%
California -12%
New Jersey -16%
Massachusetts -17%
New York -23%
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I pulled the last 7 days from the beloved New York Times tracker, your golden source of knowledge. Updated April 21

The facts stand. You can look at changes in cases. A change from 2 cases a day to 3 is gonna look really drastic from a % standpoint.

Cases per 100K over the past 7 days is a far more accurate measurement of where we are.


They even have big pretty pictures for you.

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I'll ask again, if masks worked, why are the states that are suffering the most still the states with mask mandates? Simple question you seem afraid to answer.
 
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