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The Coronavirus thread

Tibs said:
Imagine this. You're standing outside of a closed door. Inside is a large room teeming with around 100 people, all with full-blown Covid. They are coughing, wheezing, running high fevers, in visibly bad condition. You have to enter and criss-cross the room, zig-zagging from one side to the other, in a slow, measured pace. At each turn, you have to stop and answer a few questions on a notepad, set it down, then cross back the other way. The entire process will take roughly 15-20 minutes. Once you've completed all the tasks and reach the far end of the room, there is another door that you can exit through.

In front of you on a table is a single, unused medical mask.

You have the option to put this on and wear the mask the entire time. Or, you can choose to ignore it, leave it on the table and enter the room without a mask.

Which do you choose?

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I don't enter the room. If I do, I'm equally as protected putting a handkerchief over my face.

Given what Stanford and others have found, walking through that room with that surgical mask on gives me 3% to 0% protection. It will protect me if someone sneezes. That's it. All of their exhalation (the aerosols) I will still breathe in and all of it likewise will escape through their masks.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I don't enter the room. If I do, I'm equally as protected putting a handkerchief over my face. Given what Stanford and others have found, walking through that room with that surgical mask on gives me 3% to 0% protection. It will protect me if someone sneezes. That's it. All of their exhalation (the aerosols) I will still breathe in.
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Boy, you are stubborn, there's no denying it.

Have you pondered the notion that if the Stanford study had any merit, it would have been amplified by medical professionals, scientists and researchers and incorporated into public health policy in the US and around the world?

Does the fact that hasn't happened give you pause?

Does the idea that masks may provide some protection count as a plus, compared to not wearing one, which gives you none?

I'm afraid I know the answers to these questions, thus consider them rhetorical in nature.
 
Tibs said:
Have you pondered the notion that if the Stanford study had any merit, it would have been amplified by medical professionals, scientists and researchers and incorporated into public health policy in the US and around the world?
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I'm actually surprised you ask this. Eyes open Tibs.

Have you not seen the collective world-wide effort to quash any dissent against anything but the "consensus?" Ron Desantis holds a COVID roundtable...and Dr. Martin Kuldorff, a Harvard University professor of medicine says "Children should not wear face masks, no." YouTube removes it.

Have we gotten to the point where we only listen to those voices that support our theories? The theory of face mask usage was launched months into COVID. We have learned a tremendous amount since. A ton. And now we have Harvard, Stanford, doctors, research organizations, etc stepping up saying "this isn't working" or this is bad advice.

What's happened? All debate has been stifled. Voices are silenced. Because the powers that be have said "it's settled" when emphatically it is not. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, all of them ban reasonable debate on the topic.

The question is, why is it NOT being discussed? The science is NOT settled.

Do you not see we live in a different world? Where science is snuffed UNLESS it aligns with political objectives?

Really think about it Tibs. Why would YouTube remove such a video? The earth is flat, they believe it.

They don't want a discussion. That is the problem. Why? A lot to be thought about there.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
They don't want a discussion. That is the problem. Why? A lot to be thought about there.
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Is there, though? We're a year and a half into this, vaccinations are being rolled out at a pretty decent rate, along with those with antibodies, we should be getting close to where we need to be. Hopefully the new variants won't cause any suprises like the UK one did. And we should all be praying the Indian strain doesn't spread. Until then, I have zero problem wearing a mask when in public. Feel like if we've come this far, we can hopefully ride this out and get on with it.

Not gonna dive down any rabbit holes about the minutiae regarding masks. It seems blatantly obvious to me and basically everyone else on the planet that they do some measure of good. I have no problem with you holding a different view on this. I won't even mock you for it. Don't wear a mask, unless you absolutely have to, if it bothers you to this extent.
 
Tibs said:
And we should all be praying the Indian strain doesn't spread.
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Tibs said:
Masks aren't some airtight, HAZMAT-suit solution that will protect you 100%. It limits the spread to some extent. It's not a cure-all, fix-all solution to the problem, never was. It's not some magical shield that's gonna protect you 100%. Just one, rather simple way to try to help mitigate the spread of an airborne disease that's killed nearly 600k Americans and over 3M people worldwide.

Same with vaccinations, they will not protect you 100%. You can still catch & carry the virus after getting vaccinated. But it will limit your symptoms and likely keep you from dying. Though not a 100% fix, vaccinations will greatly reduce your chances of getting Covid and spreading it to others.

Wearing masks, getting vaccinated, adhering to social distancing.... none of these are ironclad answers to anything. But they do work together in unison, to help reduce the spread and buy time until enough of the population has antibodies or is vaccinated to a level where Covid peters-out and goes away.

I don't have the slightest idea why any of this is so difficult to comprehend.
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So you are suggesting that even after getting a vaccine that is 94% effective at preventing getting infected with covid, and near 100% effective at preventing severe illness from covid, an illness which I already personally have maybe a 1% chance of dying from at worst, I still need to wear a mask and social distance because they all work together? What, the micron of risk I have right now isn't low enough? Sheesh, I might as well never leave my house again because I have some risk of getting hit by a bus or struck by lightning. But wait! I have some risk of falling down my stairs and dying so it's not safe here either!

Better not eat that leftover turkey because there is some risk of dying from food poisoning.

Good God, there is no such thing as a risk free action.
 
Tibs said:
Imagine this. You're standing outside of a closed door. Inside is a large room teeming with around 100 people, all with full-blown Covid. They are coughing, wheezing, running high fevers, in visibly bad condition. You have to enter and criss-cross the room, zig-zagging from one side to the other, in a slow, measured pace. At each turn, you have to stop and answer a few questions on a notepad, set it down, then cross back the other way. The entire process will take roughly 15-20 minutes. Once you've completed all the tasks and reach the far end of the room, there is another door that you can exit through.

In front of you on a table is a single, unused medical mask.

You have the option to put this on and wear the mask the entire time. Or, you can choose to ignore it, leave it on the table and enter the room without a mask.

Which do you choose?

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If I had to go there I would put it on, why the hell not? I wouldn't kid myself that I was at significantly lower risk than without it. Forget the minutiae of the size of the holes in the fabric vs. virus particles, do you seriously think nothing can get in over the gaping holes on the top and the sides? Do you understand how aerosols work?

Why did so many health care workers covered in PPE still get covid? Did it reduce their risk at all? I'm sure it did. But even the best PPE doesn't eliminate risk and the masks most people are wearing don't even come close to that.
 
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Tibs said:
Is there, though? We're a year and a half into this, vaccinations are being rolled out at a pretty decent rate, along with those with antibodies, we should be getting close to where we need to be. Hopefully the new variants won't cause any suprises like the UK one did. And we should all be praying the Indian strain doesn't spread. Until then, I have zero problem wearing a mask when in public. Feel like if we've come this far, we can hopefully ride this out and get on with it.

Not gonna dive down any rabbit holes about the minutiae regarding masks. It seems blatantly obvious to me and basically everyone else on the planet that they do some measure of good. I have no problem with you holding a different view on this. I won't even mock you for it. Don't wear a mask, unless you absolutely have to, if it bothers you to this extent.
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Thanks for glossing right over the evident, apparent, visible elimination of all scientific studies and opinions that go against the consensus.

It exists. Why are Governments, agencies and big tech silencing these voices?

Disagreeing with them is one thing. Cancelling them? Orwell's loving this.

EDIT: For you and the rest who have refused to listen...let me repeat for the 1,932nd time. I always wear my mask in public except when I'm seated at a dining table, OR if I am in a parking lot or outdoors away from people. It IS possible to disagree with them, to have no faith in them, but to still comply.
 
Another hypothetical:

You are outside a room full of liberals. They pay nothing for the room because they are freeloading bums. They are given a couch, television, water and some basic snacks. Pretzels, say. They won't shut up. They go on and on and on about how ****** the room is, how terrible the snacks are. They demand sodas and beer. They threaten to break the furniture if they don't get their way. They threaten to steal your hard-earned money to pay for **** because they are lazy bums who don't pay their own way. They denigrate the people who paid for the room. They act like pompous ******* know-it-alls, despite their obvious stupidity. Let's call the room the "Political Forum."

That's the end of the hypothetical.
 
Tibs said:
Tim, I'm starting to think you have some wierd, mask-wearing OCD/paranoia/fetish issues that's causing you to freak out about this 24/7.

Like who gives a ****, it's just a mask, hundreds of millions of people are wearing them every single day. Hopefully soon, there'll come a time when we won't be required to do so. If it mitigates the spread by even 5% it's already worth it, if it saves a single life.

Who knows why you're being a Karen and having a total hissy-fit meltdown over masks. Maybe it's therapeutic for you to rant about this non-stop, over and over, page after page. If it helps you in any way, then by all means keep at it. We'll just sit here and hope you get over this somehow, someday.
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Who knows why you keep being a Lemon and have total fits over freedom of choice?
 
hamster said:
Thank God for the Trump vaccines making this possible.
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Nah, as soon as Trump was officially out of office Operation Warp Speed became a rushed to market, unsafe vaccine that 43% of Republican don’t want.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Finally, thank you! Thank you for admitting this is a virus, it is random and our preventive measures are failing. Vaccines and herd immunity is the only way we beat this.

Appreciate the concession, manly of you.
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OMG! Are you for real?

It’s NOT random. It’s a contagious disease that needs to spread from host to host to survive.
 
Troglodyte said:
Monmouth survey. You really doubting how crazy Republicans can be even after January 6th?
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Literally.....just about everyone I know has gotten the vaccine, in the process, or planning to get it. I think your survey is bullshit.
 
Tibs said:
Imagine this. You're standing outside of a closed door. Inside is a large room teeming with around 100 people, all with full-blown Covid. They are coughing, wheezing, running high fevers, in visibly bad condition. You have to enter and criss-cross the room, zig-zagging from one side to the other, in a slow, measured pace. At each turn, you have to stop and answer a few questions on a notepad, set it down, then cross back the other way. The entire process will take roughly 15-20 minutes. Once you've completed all the tasks and reach the far end of the room, there is another door that you can exit through.

In front of you on a table is a single, unused medical mask.

You have the option to put this on and wear the mask the entire time. Or, you can choose to ignore it, leave it on the table and enter the room without a mask.

Which do you choose?

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I walk into the ******* place with no mask. You wanna know why? because the mask is irrelevant. Like I said...it doesn't matter if it works or doesn't. If I get Covid, I have a 99.5 chance of survival. I'm immune for what...90 days says the science? Who ******* cares! get a grip.
 
Tibs said:
Imagine this. You're standing outside of a closed door. Inside is a large room teeming with around 100 people, all with full-blown Covid. They are coughing, wheezing, running high fevers, in visibly bad condition. You have to enter and criss-cross the room, zig-zagging from one side to the other, in a slow, measured pace. At each turn, you have to stop and answer a few questions on a notepad, set it down, then cross back the other way. The entire process will take roughly 15-20 minutes. Once you've completed all the tasks and reach the far end of the room, there is another door that you can exit through.

In front of you on a table is a single, unused medical mask.

You have the option to put this on and wear the mask the entire time. Or, you can choose to ignore it, leave it on the table and enter the room without a mask.

Which do you choose?

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I set the room on fire and walk away.

see, I think outside of the box.

But seriously, they’re not going to die and neither am I. I might put on a mask just to shield errant phlegm from landing on my lip, due to the gross factor only.
 
Troglodyte said:
OMG! Are you for real?

It’s NOT random. It’s a contagious disease that needs to spread from host to host to survive.
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Good....unbelievable....Lord.

Random:
  • Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective: synonym: chance.
  • adj.
    Of or relating to a type of circumstance or event that is described by a probability distribution.
If it weren't random, it would be predictable. Non-random. Certain. Calculable. Clearly defined. COVID is random. Some states hit hard, others not. Some races hit hard, others not. Some countries hit harder than others.

One cannot predict who will get it. Who will succumb to it.

Case in point. You believe in the variants, and it seems they are real. The virus morphs, like the flu does annually. The definition of.....::drum roll::...random.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
link from a reputable source, or are you pulling **** out of your *** again?
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It's all he does. He doesn't read. Or research. He hears ****. He repeats ****. Can't back up a damned thing.
 
Tim, you may wanna check this out. Curious what you think about this:

 
Troglodyte said:
Monmouth survey. You really doubting how crazy Republicans can be even after January 6th?
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So just how many crazy Republicans did they survey? Did they also survey whining Democrats? How does January 6th correlate to the vaccine?
hamster said:
Literally.....just about everyone I know has gotten the vaccine, in the process, or planning to get it. I think your survey is bullshit.
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I don't personally know anyone refusing the vaccine, and most are level headed, intelligent Republicans as myself.
 
Tibs said:
Imagine this. You're standing outside of a closed door. Inside is a large room teeming with around 100 people, all with full-blown Covid. They are coughing, wheezing, running high fevers, in visibly bad condition. You have to enter and criss-cross the room, zig-zagging from one side to the other, in a slow, measured pace. At each turn, you have to stop and answer a few questions on a notepad, set it down, then cross back the other way. The entire process will take roughly 15-20 minutes. Once you've completed all the tasks and reach the far end of the room, there is another door that you can exit through.

In front of you on a table is a single, unused medical mask.

You have the option to put this on and wear the mask the entire time. Or, you can choose to ignore it, leave it on the table and enter the room without a mask.

Which do you choose?
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Neither, I don't enter the room, and I lock the door so all those with full-blown Covid don't enter my part of the world.
 
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