There's also studies written about previous Covid-Sars infections showing it led to natural defenses to Covid19 in some patients.
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There's also studies written about previous Covid-Sars infections showing it led to natural defenses to Covid19 in some patients.
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People with a good understanding of math and an appreciation for perspective calculate data that way.
Massachusetts is 66% vaccinated. If the vaccinated are 40% of the cases, they are three times less likely to contract Covid than the unvaccinated.
People with a good understanding of math know that when a vaccine's effectiveness wanes, cases/hospitalizations/deaths rise.
People with a good understanding of math don't often abuse it the way this article did. I'm sure this trade rag ran countless articles showing COVID was sooooooooooo deadly by dividing DEATHS by CASES. Now this trade rag switches mathematical gears and divides DEATHS by POPULATION so as to convey a starkly lower number...intentionally.
The article spelled it out for you clearly. Call them, if you have a problem with it. As they stated...as articles and reports everywhere now are showing....breakthrough cases are exploding (1% to 40% is remarkable growth) and the vaccines are waning after just 6-8 months. COVID is striking the vaccinated population at fairly rapid higher and higher rates.
Keep on denying, that's today's reality until there are boosters. You're gonna see this trend continue.
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But…but…but…if only he wasn’t IMMUNOCOMPROMISED.
It’s strange how pre-existing conditions were so relevant to Covid deaths before the vaccine, and now they’re irrelevant when a vaccinated person dies.
It's strange how we were told if you have the VAX you won't get COVID. It's strange we were told how if you get the VAX, it prevents you from having serious illness.
It's strange you continue to argue on that side of the hill as the vaccines wane..and wane...and wane.
Eyes open manbun. Eyes open.
Trying to keep up here, although I'm not really sure why.
Are you trying to say that pre-exiting conditions somehow do not play a role now in deaths, that all the deaths now are healthy 40 year old folks, or are they still predominately those 60+ that have had a nickname of Tiny all their life?
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What? So they’re abusing math? However do you do that? Was the math professor from the University of Wisconsin also abusing math?
I think math abused you in school.
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No, I’m calling out Tim’s hypocrisy for blaming pre-existing conditions for Covid deaths BEFORE the vaccine, and NOW blaming the vaccine for Covid deaths when pre-existing conditions are present.
When you calculate death rates using two different formulas to produce 2 different results to deliver 2 different types of messages, yeah.
2020 Media: DEATHS/CASES - "It's the bubonic plague!!!!!!"
2021 Media: DEATHS/POPULATION - "See the vaccines are working"
SMH
As much as it pains me to agree with Bill Bellicheat...well...you could try listening to him Bubble Boy. You won't listen to anyone else - the CDC, scientists, researches, data, facts, articles. Maybe Bill? Good on him for keeping the media in check when they tried to run with their propaganda.
Bill Belichick drops Vaccine truth bombs on brainwashed media…
When asked if Cam was released because he wasn't jabbed...
Later in the presser, a reporter rounded back to the question and Belichick refused to roll over.
It's not hypocrisy jackwad. Of course those with comorbidities will always, in any situation, through any walk of life, through any era, during any pandemic, during normal life, during good times and bad times will suffer higher liklihoods of death.
But again you miss the point. You'd miss the point if it was the tip of an arrow hitting you in the forehead....
YOU said. YOUR media SAID. YOUR President said...get the vax you won't get COVID.
YOU and all of the above said get the vax, you won't die from COVID
YOU and all of the above said the vaccines are 90+% competitive.
I continue to point out to you that ALL of that has changed and diminished and the vaccines are losing gas like a car leaking fuel.
You just won't recognize it. You refuse to recognize it. Because it's ideology.
In January, you'd have said there's no way this man would have died even with comorbidities since he got the jab.
We are in a different place now than then. Eyes open Floggy.
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The highest efficacy rates I ever recall seeing with regards to the vaccines were in the neighborhood of 95%, but again I'm pretty sure that's the same thing as 100%.
Here is what appears to be some pro vaccine propaganda.
Here is what appears to be some pro vaccine propaganda.
OK, so preexisting conditions are still in play, and the current vaccines now available, aren't all that. Got it.
I mean basically people aren’t dying of the vaccine very often …(and hopefully they never will be) they die of covid which the vaccines fail to booster them enough to fight it off… covid really only kills people with immune issues or breathing issues and a handful of people unlucky enough to have bad reactions to respiratory viruses…
I don’t see how the afflicted stats would change much based on that… covid still kills 70+ years olds… thats its target audience… the rest are marginal cases…
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Idaho hospitals nearly buckling in relentless COVID surge
Intensive care beds are full of unvaccinated coronavirus patients at a hospital in Boise, Idaho, and doctors are bracing for the need to conserve scarce resources for the patients most likely to survive
www.seattletimes.com
BOISE, Idaho (AP) — The intensive care rooms at St. Luke’s Boise Medical Center are full, each a blinking jungle of tubes, wires and mechanical breathing machines. The patients nestled inside are a lot alike: All unvaccinated, mostly middle-aged or younger, paralyzed and sedated, reliant on life support and locked in a silent struggle against COVID-19.
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“There is so much loss here, and so much of it is preventable. I’m not just talking about loss of life. Ultimately, it’s like loss of hope,” said Dr. Jim Souza, chief medical officer. “When the vaccines came out in December, those of us in health care were like, ‘Oh, my God, it’s like the cavalry coming over the hill.’ … To see now what’s playing out? It’s all so needless.”
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All of the ICU coronavirus patients were generally healthy people who simply didn’t get vaccinated, Dr. Bill Dittrich said. Idaho could enact crisis care standards in days, leaving him to make gut-wrenching decisions about who gets life-saving treatment.
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U.S. covid death toll hits 1,500 a day amid delta scourge
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Nationally, covid-19 deaths have climbed steadily in recent weeks, hitting a seven-day average of about 1,500 a day Thursday, after falling to the low 200s in early July — the latest handiwork of a contagious variant that has exploited the return to everyday activities by tens of millions of Americans, many of them unvaccinated. The dead include two Texas teachers at a junior high, who died last week within days of each other; a 13-year-old middle schoolboy from Georgia; and a nurse, 37, in Southern California who left behind five children, including a newborn.
What is different about this fourth pandemic wave in the United States is that the growing rates of vaccination and natural immunity have broken the relationship between infections and deaths in many areas.
The daily count of new infections is rising in almost every part of the country, according to data tracked by The Washington Post. But only some places — mostly Southern states with lower vaccination rates — are seeing a parallel surge in deaths. The seven-day average of daily deaths is about a third of what it was in January, the pandemic’s most deadly month, but it is forecast to continue rising as high numbers of patients are hospitalized.
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There have been Three women where my wife works that have died from strokes all three fully vaccinated and all three were in there early sixties. is this just a coincidence?
So here is a basic review of when politics jumps ahead of science
its not as bad here as it is in Canada, but its getting there
after weeks of denying that vaccines were losing effectiveness, the politicians suddenly are demanding boosters… there may be some scientific studies in some foreign countries, but tgey have not released the data yet to be verified… some, like canada, are already trying to mix and match vaccines despite a lot of warnings that this can be extremely unsafe without proper vetting…. Health officials are resigning over this… because while ultimately it might be safe… it could also lead to millions of horrible results… its outright irresponsible and only being done to control a narrative…..
again, the long term effects of what they are doing might be more devastating than ten covid like viruses could ever hope to be…
Health Officials Advise White House to Scale Back Booster Plan for Now
WASHINGTON — Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster
dnyuz.com
its not as bad here as it is in Canada, but its getting there
after weeks of denying that vaccines were losing effectiveness, the politicians suddenly are demanding boosters… there may be some scientific studies in some foreign countries, but tgey have not released the data yet to be verified… some, like canada, are already trying to mix and match vaccines despite a lot of warnings that this can be extremely unsafe without proper vetting…. Health officials are resigning over this… because while ultimately it might be safe… it could also lead to millions of horrible results… its outright irresponsible and only being done to control a narrative…..
again, the long term effects of what they are doing might be more devastating than ten covid like viruses could ever hope to be…
ah ha
you've said time and time and time again, over and over and over, like a broken goddamned record that everyone should get the vax.
so this ******, let's say he took your unsolicited unfound advice.
he died.
did it matter in the long term if he took the vax? he was going to die if he got the virus. so the vax did 100% of notadamnthing to help him.
yet it assuaged your white guilt that he got the jab.
and you still **** on him.
hypocrite.
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The findings of vaccines effectiveness were based on the initial trials. Immunocompromised people with pre-existing conditions were NOT included in the trials. You’re a ******* idiot to think that the findings would apply to them.
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Unfound? Really?
People are advised to wear seatbelts, it doesn’t always save their life. What could possibly be your point?
And how am I ******** on him, exactly?
like Tim has said time and time again, mimicking your broken record, you'd miss the point if it was on the tip of a claw hammer embedded in your ******* skull.
So let me get this straight. Because the initial trials didn't focus on people with pre-existing conditions, that explains why the vaccines' efficacies have dropped over time?????
Thousands of articles/studies/research around the globe are showing the vaccines' efficacies are waning. But you still do be argue they are as good day one as they are 6 months after receiving them....DESPITE even your media saying they are waning.
Got it. You're an ideologue.
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President ***** Himself: We will see a rise in cases but we will not see a comparable rise in deaths.
"Dance son, dance."