The NYT article quoted a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist and a doctor from Bellevue Hospital - two people, who unlike you, are qualified experts and actually know what they are talking about.
I never said the vaccines are as effective, I said they are still highly effective, which is what those articles show. 79.8% is ineffective? *****, please!
The problem isn’t the vaccine waning. It’s people that still refuse to get vaccinated.
The initial studies showed 95%+ on effectiveness.. the Israeli studies showed a dip after a couple months to the high 70’s then proce
Maybe more like half truth. 94.1%? So was that 5 deaths or 5,000? The article was a little light on the details.
Thats not the bias… the numbers are cumulative from april 1st…
so lets put all of this in perspective …
1. Nobody is arguing that vaccines dont decrease hospitalization and death, particularly for the first couple months after you get it
2. All of this data is observational not clinical… so there are much higher uncontrollable biases
3. none of the data pulls even remotely tried to differentiate vaccinated and unvaccinated that didn’t already have natural antibodies from those that didn’t…
That is a hugely important thing to know when crunching the data because we know that natural immunity lasts longer than they initially claimed and the antibodies it creates are more capable of dealing with mutations therefore creating a potential huge bias in the data
for instance, if the previously infected people were split 50/50 there wouldn’t be any bias, but if it was 60/40 or worse it could be adding a giant bias to the numbers… lets also remember that the most likely to contract the virus are also the ones that had early access to the vaccines and are by a large margin the most likely to be vaccinated…
4. This data also doesn’t try to differentiate the number of people ineligible from getting the virus who died… a portion of people are either have allergies that prevent them from taking the three or whose health is so poor that they couldn’t get the vaccine… heck even for the vaccinated they should be segmenting out the people that are unlikely to have survived any illness because honestly covid might be what killed them but the flu would have done them in all the same… its not really representative of the virus’s lethality….
5. this data doesn’t account for the months that the cdc downplayed the idea that vaccinated people could get and transmit the virus. This led to a ridiculously low biased vaccinated case load because they just didn’t test the vaccinated unless they had to… it also led to Them instantly ruling out covid as a cause of death for untested vaccinated people… while that probably only biased the number of deaths down a little… it definitely biased the case load down a lot…
6 this data doesn’t even mention the potential deaths from the vaccines directly… there is beginning to be a belief that the people most likely to react the worse to the virus are reacting badly to the vaccine… its a low percentage to begin with so its not profound numbers, but if the reaction to the vaccine is killing off the people who are going to have bad heart complications or immunity overreactions that cuts them from the potential deaths from covid numbers without actually saving them
7. this data isn’t month to month or week to week… its one lump sum from april 1st when the majority of people were unvaccinated and cuts through all the previously mentioned biases
does it show that vaccines have a reduction in cases… sure, even with all the biases
is it as stunningly great as tge OP seems to think… probably not
none of this is clinical… there are ethical questions about exposing unvaccinated people to the virus so a truly perfect clinical test is probably out of the question, but still there are much better controls and qa that could be done to tune this to a less biased result….
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