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Covid Vaccine

Just a perfect read.

Why Don’t They Believe Us?​

You’re struggling to understand where all this vaccine hesitancy comes from. Let me help you.


Imagine you’re a normal person. The year is 2016. Rightly or wrongly, you believe most of what you see in the media. You believe polls are broadly reflective of public opinion. You believe doctors and scientists are trustworthy and independent. You’re a decent, reasonable person who follows the rules and trusts the authorities.

Imagine your shock, then, when Brexit, which you were assured couldn’t happen because it was a fringe movement led by racists for racists, happens. The polls, which widely predicted it wouldn’t happen, were wrong. The experts and pundits who told you day after day that it wouldn’t happen were also wrong. “Oh well,” you say, “these things happen.”

Imagine that soon after Brexit, Donald Trump is running for president. You are told by the most trustworthy media outlets that he is going to lose. Some experts say his opponent has a 99% chance of winning. Imagine waking up the morning after the election to discover that the pollsters, experts, and politicians you still trusted were wrong again. Now the racist monster who you were told would never get near the White House is the leader of the free world.

“How did this happen?” you ask yourself. How could everyone I rely on for good information be so wrong? “It was the Russians,” they tell you. “The Russians did Brexit, and they got Trump elected too.” Imagine that for the next three years, day after day, the media and politicians you still trust keep you up to date on this story of Trump’s collusion with Russia. They tell you the how, when, where, and why: the dossiers, the whistleblowers, the peeing prostitutes. Imagine your desperation for things to somehow make sense again.

Here comes the Mueller report. Hard evidence of foreign meddling in Brexit and the 2016 U.S. election is coming to set the world right again.

Imagine your shock, then, when you discover that Brexit had little to do with foreign meddling, and Robert Mueller has very little to report about Trump and the Russians. The collusion story, which dominated your news intake for the better part of three years, slowly dies down. Then it’s gone. No one talks about it anymore. Imagine that bit by bit, you’re starting to feel that the events you were told would not and could not happen not only happened, but happened without some sort of malign interference. Instead, millions of your fellow citizens simply voted for them. In the American case, it turns out many of your fellow citizens who simply voted for Trump come from states that have been devastated by an opioid epidemic enabled by a corrupt system of incentives involving the Food and Drug Administration, doctors, and Big Pharma. (You might want to take note of this. It will come up again later.)

Again, you ask, “How could this happen?” And again, the media outlets and political representatives you’ve always trusted have the answer: racism.

“Your country is racist,” they tell you. If you’re white, this may seem strange to you. Other than a handful of idiots, you’ve never met a racist. If you’re an ethnic minority immigrant like me, this seems even stranger. Why would people in one of the most welcoming, tolerant countries in the world want to convince themselves their country is racist when it’s so obviously not?

But the evidence is right there on your TV screen. Imagine your horror as a famous and beloved gay African American actor is assaulted by MAGA hat-wearing thugs who racially abuse him and put a noose around his neck. In a prime-time interview, he cries while talking about it.

Imagine your outrage as you see news reports of a bunch of MAGA hat-wearing kids from a religious school contemptuously confront a Native American elder. Professional, adult commentators on TV tell you the kid has a “punchable face,” and while you abhor violence, it’s hard to disagree. Imagine that for days you watch coverage of these events, with expert after expert, pundit after pundit, sharing and fueling your outrage. Maybe your country really is racist. Maybe you’re racist. Were you always just blind?

Imagine that soon after, however, the Jussie Smollett story turns out to be an attention-seeking hoax: He made it all up. Imagine you also quickly discover that the Native American elder was the one who confronted the kids, and not the other way around. “If this is such a racist country,” you ask yourself, “why would they need to make up stories of racism?” As you ponder this, you remember that for years now, you’ve been expected to go along with other, more elaborate make-believe stories.

You’re expected to understand that gender is not as binary as school, your eyes, and your own experience have led you to believe. Whatever you learned about biology growing up is not only wrong, it’s pathological and harmful, according to the American Psychological Association. You no longer know how many genders you’re expected to be able to recognize. You do know that asking questions is dangerous.

Imagine that you still want to believe the experts and the commentators, but now that requires you to believe your country is racist, that men are bad, and that gender is a social construct, which is an idea you still don’t really understand.

It’s at this point that a pandemic breaks out in China.

You are initially unconcerned, but as terrifying scenes increasingly emerge from Italy and other countries closer to home, it is clear that something big is happening. You watch nervously as politicians give press conference after press conference, flanked by experts, to explain the situation.

President Trump shuts down travel to the United States from China. He has been widely condemned as a racist repeatedly in the past, and the same explanation is given this time. It’s not just Americans who tell you Trump is racist for calling a virus that emerged in China a “Chinese virus.” In response, the mayor of Florence advises Italian citizens to fight Trump’s anti-Chinese bigotry by “hugging a Chinese person.” Shortly after, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, one of the most respected and powerful Democrats in the country, visits Chinatown in San Francisco to explain that “there’s no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns.”
“Thank God there are some sensible, nonracist people who aren’t overreacting,” you say to yourself. Imagine watching as Trump doubles down on his racism by claiming the virus may have come from a lab in Wuhan. “Nonsense,” you think. You’re more concerned with how best to protect yourself and your family from this deadly disease than with its origins at this point anyway. You consider buying surgical masks, or using homemade ones—you’ve seen visitors and tourists from Asian countries wear them, and they’ve been through things like this before, so maybe it’s best to follow their lead.

But the country’s chief medical experts tell you not to wear masks, and to focus on washing your hands instead. As lockdowns are introduced around the world, you diligently follow all the rules. You stay at home. You only go out once, and live off savings or government grants. You do your best to keep your hands clean, to not touch other surfaces that other people touch. Some political representatives make the solemn decision to shut down beaches, parks, and playgrounds, encouraging everyone to stay indoors.

You are proud to be doing your part. Thanks to you and millions of your fellow citizens, the first wave of the pandemic overwhelms certain hot spots, but it does not devastate the health care system at a national level. While thousands sadly die, you’ve helped to protect those around you.

Imagine your confusion as the same people who spent three months telling you not only that masks don’t work, but that there are several reasons you shouldn’t wear or purchase them, suddenly introduce mask mandates. We’re “following the science,” they tell you. This seems to make little sense, but a pandemic is no time for questions. And who knows, maybe our understanding of the science evolved?

As you cautiously go to the supermarket, you notice that masks have made people less likely to socially distance. You remember reading somewhere that bicycle helmets work similarly: They give the wearer more confidence, and the result is often more accidents and injuries, not fewer. “Silly people,” you say to yourself. “If only they would follow the experts.”
So, in the world according to Tim, nowhere near 98% of MDs are vaccinated because they have vaccine hesitancy because of… Jussie Smollet?
 
Can you imagine the regret? It’s not like someone getting throat or lung cancer after decades of smoking. All she had to do was get a vaccine, a half an hour of her time.

Imagine, all he had to do was call an Uber. Or click his seatbelt. Or take two aspirin after feeling chest pain. Or not take that shot of horse.

Imagine the regret for decisions that would have taken just a minute of your time.
 
So, in the world according to Tim, nowhere near 98% of MDs are vaccinated because they have vaccine hesitancy because of… Jussie Smollet?

As I said, you and English don't appear to be very good friends. If you'd have bothered to read the whole article, you'd have seen it was an expose on 5 years of incessant lies and deceptions fed to Americans that have led Americans to trust very little they hear any more. Rightfully so. Thus the reason so many say "science is now dead" just as journalism is now dead.
 
You’re the one saying they were over counted, that they didn’t happen.
Like Tim said, and you once more failed to grasp, I never said these people didn't die, I am saying around a third to a quarter of those are not directly or even indirectly deaths due to Covid, they just happened to have Covid when they died and it was not the reason for them dying. Sometimes it murky so there is room for debate on some cases others there isn't. The administration has said, as posted multiple times on camera, they counted ALL deaths with Covid regardless of the actual cause of death. THAT is an admittance that the actual number of deaths CAUSED by Covid is inflated. Deaths are up in many categories above excess this isn't just a Covid issue. A person hit by a car who had Covid should not be counted in those statistics for purely scientific reasons alone. Other countries are not all counting deaths this way and that makes many of the comparisons irrelevant that are being made for political reasons. We also have abundant testing far in excess of many many countries.
 
More good news.

Why would the NIH request funding to study this issue...if it wasn't an issue?

 
do you know why the WHO did this? of course not. this was discussed 20 or so pages ago. FROM YOUR GODDAMNED ******* LINK THAT YOU CANNOT READ BEFORE POSTING:



Aug 4 (Reuters) - The World Health Organization is calling for a halt on COVID-19 vaccine boosters until at least the end of September, its head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday, as the gap between vaccinations in wealthy and poor countries widens.

The call for a moratorium is the strongest statement yet from the UN agency at a time when countries deliberate the need for boosters to combat the fast-spreading Delta variant of the coronavirus.

"I understand the concern of all governments to protect their people from the Delta variant. But we cannot accept countries that have already used most of the global supply of vaccines using even more of it," Tedros added.

High-income countries administered around 50 doses for every 100 people in May, and that number has since doubled, according to WHO. Low-income countries have only been able to administer 1.5 doses for every 100 people, due to lack of supply.


"We need an urgent reversal from the majority of vaccines going to high-income countries to the majority going to low-income countries," Tedros said.
Because the vaccines are still very effective…

 
Like Tim said, and you once more failed to grasp, I never said these people didn't die, I am saying around a third to a quarter of those are not directly or even indirectly deaths due to Covid, they just happened to have Covid when they died and it was not the reason for them dying. Sometimes it murky so there is room for debate on some cases others there isn't. The administration has said, as posted multiple times on camera, they counted ALL deaths with Covid regardless of the actual cause of death. THAT is an admittance that the actual number of deaths CAUSED by Covid is inflated. Deaths are up in many categories above excess this isn't just a Covid issue. A person hit by a car who had Covid should not be counted in those statistics for purely scientific reasons alone. Other countries are not all counting deaths this way and that makes many of the comparisons irrelevant that are being made for political reasons. We also have abundant testing far in excess of many many countries.
If you read Atul Gawande’s Being Mortal he describes how the vast majority of people don’t die from any one thing. Their health deteriorates over time and then some health event is the last straw and they die. Covid was that for many of the 650k, but not all. And it doesn’t mean we can assume they all would have died anyway during the same time period. It may have shortened their lives 6 weeks or 6 months, or it might have shortened their lives 6 years. We don’t know.
 
If you read Atul Gawande’s Being Mortal he describes how the vast majority of people don’t die from any one thing. Their health deteriorates over time and then some health event is the last straw and they die. Covid was that for many of the 650k, but not all. And it doesn’t mean we can assume they all would have died anyway during the same time period. It may have shortened their lives 6 weeks or 6 months, or it might have shortened their lives 6 years. We don’t know.
That is all true except we are not talking about that. We are talking 10's of thousands of cases of deaths that had NOTHING to do with COvid aside from they tested positive for it. People in Hospice already dying, car accidents, aneurysms, major coronary disease many other things that were not caused by Covid or had anything to do with it. I said there are other murkier cases as you allude to but that isn't what we are talking about. They did not even attempt to determine if causality. Many countries did. In doing so it has inevitably over inflated the counting of deaths due to Covid or covid related health problems. I am differentiating between those and the type 2 who was poorly controlled but would have lived years without getting Covid.
 
Because the vaccines are still very effective…

you have got to be the single most willfully ignorant ************ to ever grace the world wide web that Al Gore created. In fact, you make him weep with your stupidity. You make Darwin cross-check to see where he went wrong. You disgrace the lowest of the low-intelligence voters (Democrats, you dweeb) with your continued inane parroting.

the "effectiveness of the vaccine" was NOT why ... NOT ... WHY ... the WHO requested this. again. read this sentence. I'll put it in multiple colors and bold it for you.

We need an urgent reversal from the majority of vaccines going to high-income countries to the majority going to low-income countries
 
Because the vaccines are still very effective…

You're linky game absolutely sucks. First time on Google?

The AZ CEO says they "may" not be needed and he needs more data (have him give me a call) AND because they don't want to put undue pressure on NHS. NOWHERE does he say they are NOT needed.

Why is Israel working with President Pee Pads and the FDA to prepare for booster shots and why does the White House continue to say September 20 is the date for boosters and why is Israel administering boosters and why is nearly every damned country in the world preparing for or delivering boosters.....if they aren't needed?

They are needed because the effectiveness of the vaccines have waned based on study after study after study after study after after study after after study after after study after after study after after study after after study after after study after after study after after study after after study after after study that has been presented to you that you choose to ignore.

AstraZeneca saying not to rush into boosters. Pfizer CEO says boosters needed now.

And they wonder why we don't trust them. Oh well, in cases like this, go with the overwhelming data.


The CDC:

  • The CDC’s latest research shows vaccine effectiveness, which was at 91% before the dominance of the delta variant, has dropped to 66%.

UVA:

USAToday:

CNBC:

CIDRAP:

Medscape:

Protection provided by two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccines wanes within 6 months, according to new research.
An analysis by the ZOE COVID study suggested that a "worst case scenario" could see protection reduced to below 50% for healthcare workers and the elderly, who were among the first to be vaccinated.

The Washington Compost:

Rochellle Walensky and the CDC:


A nationwide study in Qatar, now ahead of Israel in vaccinations:

The Israel study...again:

The Wall Street Journal:

How much more do you need?

"Don't Stop, Believing...."
 
And it doesn’t mean we can assume they all would have died anyway during the same time period.

Ummm, yes we know the guy on the motorcycle, the guy who was so drunk he should have died an hour before, and COUNTLESS others' deaths had absolutely not one ******* thing at all to do with their positive Covid test.

It may have shortened their lives 6 weeks or 6 months, or it might have shortened their lives 6 years. We don’t know.

No we don't. Yet you come here saying you KNOW 100% of those deaths called COVID deaths were in fact literally COVID deaths.

Thanks for admitting you don't know if the numbers listed can be believed.
 
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@Tim Steelersfan - don't fall into his diversion.
he was trying to say that the reason the booster shots are not needed is because the shot itself is effective. Which was not the point being made. The point was that the WHO was requesting low-income countries get the shot before other countries.

his circling the one-wagon is chaotic
 
 
@Tim Steelersfan - don't fall into his diversion.
he was trying to say that the reason the booster shots are not needed is because the shot itself is effective. Which was not the point being made. The point was that the WHO was requesting low-income countries get the shot before other countries.

his circling the one-wagon is chaotic

Correct. I continue to remind him the vaccines' effectiveness has consistently waned. He refuses to concede that they have. Then sort of does when he says.....

65% is still effective JFC!!
 
you have got to be the single most willfully ignorant ************ to ever grace the world wide web that Al Gore created. In fact, you make him weep with your stupidity. You make Darwin cross-check to see where he went wrong. You disgrace the lowest of the low-intelligence voters (Democrats, you dweeb) with your continued inane parroting.

the "effectiveness of the vaccine" was NOT why ... NOT ... WHY ... the WHO requested this. again. read this sentence. I'll put it in multiple colors and bold it for you.

We need an urgent reversal from the majority of vaccines going to high-income countries to the majority going to low-income countries

"So you're saying the vaccine is so effective that we don't need it any more and doses should be given to 3rd world countries?"

- Floggy the Dumb
 
How many nicknames now?

Flog
Flogged
Floggy
Foggy
FloggedbyFauci
FloggedbyReality
FloggedbyCommonSense
FloggedbyGubmint

The list seems endless.
 
"So you're saying the vaccine is so effective that we don't need it any more and doses should be given to 3rd world countries?"

- Floggy the Dumb

I think what he does be had said is that the vaccines are still 100% effective according to the CDC, but that recent reports by the CDC that show the vaxes have waned do be bullshit, after he does did mention that 68% effectiveness is still great!!! after said he did that the vaccines' efficacies have NOT waned, before he done did spit out that them vaccines do be keep you from being real sick like, after he done did state that breakthrough cases be no more than 1%, since den which he done self-corrected and said breakthrough cases does be rising but da vaxes do be working perfectly and since he had done posted a linky showing da hospitals in da Burgh have 40% people in them ICU beds that done did have the jabby jabs, before he does have argued that boosters dun be needed JFC!!!

Made perfect sense to me.....

Wait...
 
"So you're saying the vaccine is so effective that we don't need it any more and doses should be given to 3rd world countries?"

- Floggy the Dumb
**** No! I need my third poke. Stay away from my poke and **** dem 3rd world folks.
 
How many nicknames now?

Flog
Flogged
Floggy
Foggy
FloggedbyFauci
FloggedbyReality
FloggedbyCommonSense
FloggedbyGubmint

The list seems endless.

You forgot

30-30SemiAutoFlogged and HypoFlog
 
Because the vaccines are still very effective…

So wait… the CEO of the vaccine that had so many issues it was declined from being utilized in over 12 major countries including ours and whom nobody expects to use as a booster shot is saying tge opposite from the companies standing to make tens of billions off of boosters…

its almost as if their agendas are money driven or something
 
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