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Covid Vaccine

What does that mean, specifically? Please speak up, for those in the back.
It means he may punch you in your kunt face, Soy boy!
 
What does that mean, specifically? Please speak up, for those in the back.

You know exactly what it means, Hungtard.
 
It means he may punch you in your kunt face, Soy boy!
Nothing like seeing you pissants getting your soggy panties all knotted up. Can’t deal with the realities of Covid, so you make personal threats against posters staying on topic, discussing this thread. Weak-*** *************, like you’ve always been. It’s embarrassing to share Steelers fandom with such utter twats. What a waste of bandwidth & oxygen.
 




She blinded me with science.


That was fascinating. I'd encourage Tiblio and Flogtard to watch it 4 times. They won't.

Annndddd....the Liberal media is already trashing her. Every single person with degrees and pedigrees, fame or fortune is trashed and sullied for speaking out against "the 64 genders science." Speak the party line, or get cancelled.

No competing thoughts allowed.
 
Nothing like seeing you pissants getting your soggy panties all knotted up. Can’t deal with the realities of Covid, so you make personal threats against posters staying on topic, discussing this thread. Weak-*** *************, like you’ve always been. It’s embarrassing to share Steelers fandom with such utter twats. What a waste of bandwidth & oxygen.

:LOL: :ROFLMAO:

And at 3am no less!
 
**** off, exploiting a veteran for your bullshit agenda. you have no character, no morals. you had better hope you and I never cross paths.

iu
 
What does that mean, specifically? Please speak up, for those in the back.

I think it means a Communist might regret the encounter?
 
Don't worry, I'm almost positive Badcat isn't getting on a plane to Hangardistan to mess with you. Sissy boy. Ohhh he threatened me...grow a set.
 
Weak-*** *************!

:LOL: :ROFLMAO:
 


She blinded me with science.


She's a POC, a woman, and a PhD in cellular & molecular biology - wouldn't the left be incredibly grateful for this wonderful woman?
 
Nothing like seeing you pissants getting your soggy panties all knotted up. Can’t deal with the realities of Covid, so you make personal threats against posters staying on topic, discussing this thread. Weak-*** *************, like you’ve always been. It’s embarrassing to share Steelers fandom with such utter twats. What a waste of bandwidth & oxygen.

Let me see how I can most eloquently phrase this....thinking...wanna make sure this comes off as intended...

**** off Commie.

**** off with your anti-American, Liberal, uneducated, blind self.

Here is a reality of Covid that you and your ***-buddy Flog will continue to refute. Address it. Go on. Please. We feed you two trolls facts day after day and you deny day after day. Then you post misinformation like the Rolling Stone ****, which is just one in the long *** line of bullshit debunked crap you throw around here.

Debunk this *** hat. From ******* Moderna, which you probably injected yourself with. Published two hours ago. Good luck running to Rachel Madcow telling you how to think.

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Moderna Inc. has released a set of data which suggested its covid19 vaccine is effective in preventing serious health issues or death from "variants of concern" but admitting that efficacy decreases over time, such that those who received the vaccine last year were twice more likely to contract a breakthrough case of the coronavirus disease.

According to the data, which Moderna released Wednesday, a "study shows lower risk of breakthrough infection in participants vaccinated more recently (median 8 months after first dose) than participants vaccinated last year (median 13 months after first dose)."

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I have been harping on this for well over a month now. You and TwitFlog continue to insist this is bullshit. We now have the Pfizer CEO saying his vaccine wanes over time. We now have Moderna not only saying it but showing ******* data to prove it. Over time their vaccines lose steam.

And you call us deniers? Saying we don't live in reality?

It's you. It's always been you.

**** yourself at 3 AM Palinka boy. You're an ever-increasing disgrace to this forum.
 
She blinded me with science.

Dr. Tibs and Dr. Floggy will be here momentarily to dispute the Ph.D. in molecular and biological science and an expert on vaccines.

What does that mean, specifically? Please speak up, for those in the back.

Badcat merely underscores he has no desire to visit Budapest.

Good to see you have time to proffer incorrect medical advice, what with you being so busy mocking the deceased. How brave and noble of you, tough guy. You better hope not to meet me and Badcat on a street ... because that would mean we are terribly ******* lost, and somehow wound up in Hungary.
 
She's a POC, a woman, and a PhD in cellular & molecular biology - wouldn't the left be incredibly grateful for this wonderful woman?

Donk, let me edumacate you. There is one color. There has only ever been one color. You are Blue...or you're not. The rest is window-dressing.
 
Don't worry, I'm almost positive Badcat isn't getting on a plane to Hangardistan to mess with you. Sissy boy. Ohhh he threatened me...grow a set.

If you've seen Tiblio, you'd know he doesn't have a pair.

****, wait....wrong thread. Nevermind.
 
If you've seen Tiblio, you'd know he doesn't have a pair.

Things Tiborvirus has a pair of:

Masks
Mittens
Scented Candles
Sarah McLachlan CDs
Palinka Shot Glasses
Pots to Make Goulash
Rachel Maddow Posters
Michael Avenatti Action Figures

That's it. Nothing else. Zip. Nada. Zilch.
 
At this point - everyone needs to take a break. Go outside. Get some fresh air. No one here has changed their minds about any of this.

y’all calm the **** down before Coolie sees this **** and locks the thread.
 
At this point - everyone needs to take a break. Go outside. Get some fresh air. No one here has changed their minds about any of this.

y’all calm the **** down before Coolie sees this **** and locks the thread.

iu
 
Can someone help me understand this please?

Vaccinated woman's family who died of COVID blames unvaccinated in obituary​

'She was vaccinated but was infected by others who chose not to be,' her family said

So Grandma gets Covid and dies. 66 years old. After being double vaxed. So now the family wants to blame the unvaccinated because they "carried the virus and gave it to her."

Points I struggle with....
  • The vaccines don't prevent spread. The CDC told us this. Rochelle told us this.
  • The vaccinated get infected, carry the same viral loads as unvaccinated people. Proven.
  • Granny's family "assumes" she got it from someone unvaxed. Could she not have gotten it from someone vaccinated?
  • Studies like MA show, the majority of infected there were vaxed people
  • The vaccine prevents you from succumbing to the virus. But apparently...it didn't here. They say it prevents serious complications from the disease.
  • Two things we do know...the vaccine didn't keep her from contracting Covid and didn't keep her from dying.
  • We also know they have no idea how she contracted Covid and from who/where.
Given all of that....can someone remind me how the vaccines in fact help us....

Ahhh ****, nevermind. Carry on. Someone's gonna come tell me how the vaccines actually do work, except unless you get the variety handed to you by someone unvaccinated or some other fantasy ****.

 
The overall summary is these vaccines are advantageous in the short term, but not essential… they haven’t been proven to be harmful long term but there absolutely are red flags… everyone needs to get off the narratives and look for intelligent compromises rather than stoke the flames… for the hundredth time, lets release the novavax and the other second gen vaccines and lets natural immunity qualify as a vaccine substitute… tge virus is seriously kneecapped, everyone but like 4 or 5 % are happyish
 
Nobody should be getting heated over political viewpoints… good intelligent people adamantly disagree about stuff all the time… its healthy to be exposed to every angle of an issue rather than chill in echo chambers surrounded by yes men.

even if it doesn’t seem so, people here have probably learned a lot about the other povs on this…

no reason to get uncivil
 
For the vast majority of people, getting the shot will have no more effect than a regular shot. Soreness at the point of injection.

some people may have other issues afterwards. A small percentage

An even smaller percentage of people will develop additional complications. This is true of all shots/vaccines.

the point trying to be made is that while we can all agree on those points above, that tiny percentage of people is being fought over tooth and nail.

this is how it’s done on nearly every political issue. The ChineseFlu has been weaponized by our elected politicians to further divide us.

Does Tibs want people to die from Rona? I think not.
Does Tim want people to die from Rona? I think not.

The difference is some of us are saying the preventive measures being forced on us are working and do work. Others are questioning that.

We all want the vax to do it’s damn job and do what we were all told it would do. Yet we’re being quietly told that boosters are needed. Which flies in the face of the shot doing its job.

There absolutely should be discussion over long-term possible side effects from the shot. This is, quite obviously, a controversial new method to treat viruses. We cannot know for certain how injecting it into kids may effect them when they are our age. Or how it might effect their kids. There are a lot of unknowns about this.

Discussing the shot should be civil. Yes, there can and will be “jabs” thrown in, but there’s simply not going to be any physical confrontations by anyone on this board about this.

Unless we can all meet and sacrifice an Ogre to the WuFluGods and drink beer afterwards.
 
Ok so here is the crux of the argument you and Tibs willfully gloss over….

there is a rigid set of controlled, escalating clinical tests that have to be passed before a medicine or medication regimen is fully approved for use in this country…

the more novice the method the medicine employs, the more initial testing they do to rule out various issues, both short term and long term . The CDC has for years had this and other info openly on its website.

despite the rigorous testing products do occasionally slip through with bad side effects. Sometimes this is because of unforeseen complications with other medications, others because an effect simply wasn’t looked or tested for in the clinical trials, and more than just a few times a pharmaceutical company actually lied about clinical result data…

For this reason they implemented things like the vaers system , which is supposed to track every bad effect seen after a vaccine. When any serious effect shows even mild correlation between the vaccine and the symptoms, or anything shows up as a manufacturing issue, they temporarily halt the vaccine and require new testing or inspection.

if the issue persists then the product is discontinued or restricted….

this has happened probably a dozen times for approved vaccines through the past 25 years… most issues were proven not related to a vaccine and were put back in use

a handful were permanently pulled from the market

bear in mind though, hundreds if not thousands of potential vaccines failed in clinical trials and were never released….

these particular vaccines were given emergency status, which made sense at the time

however this meant they didn’t get the extended clinical testing that a novel treatment required… therefore the chance of serious long term effects is greatly increased… timeframes for typical approval have been listed on the cdc site for well over a decade… it’s typically 1-10 years phase 1, 2-4 phase 2, and 2-4 phase 3 iirc…. Newer methods tend to lean on the longer side of those to determine long term effects and what medications they can be mixed with..

moreover the vaers system did uncover serious correlations between heart issues, pregnancy issues, paralysis, strokes, sudden death and a few more that are serious enough and in the sufficient numbers that in every other case, the product would be temporarily pulled for further testing by older precedents… here they had a brief pause on J&J over the minor stroke issue… and while they acknowledge some of the other issues they are not pulling them….

and we have no assurances that in two or three more years these aren’t going to cause cancer, or birth defects, or organ damage… or any of the dozens of serious long term effects that derail treatments in longer clinical trials all the time…

so we know that the vaccines we are using aren’t “perfect” as in they don’t end the viral spread… and while we know that short term they do reduce severity, we don’t know what the long term effects are … so we don’t really know if we are saving lives or ultimately dooming them… that's why it has to be a personal choice…
These dipshits do not even realize that not one single covid flu shot has even completed phase 1 clinical trials -- because they take 594 days -- and likewise have not completed phase 2 clinical, which require (except for this "emergency") completion and acceptance of phase 1.
So the guvmint short circuited their well established safety and efficacy protocols to rush these drugs, hoping to generally help, but with no long term idea on effects.
To make matters worse, they called them vaccines, redefined what vaccines were all so that each of the drug companies rushing to share in the multibillion dollar guvmint contracts would have no liability to the patients that may suffer short term or long term effects from the new drugs that were barely tested.

Shame on anyone who thinks this is not bullshit "science".

Like the weapons of mass destruction that turned out not to exist, but caused Trillions of dollars in guvmint contracts, handed to trusted friends, paid for by tax dollars or borrowed from the next generation, follow the ******* money.
 
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