Covid Vaccine

[madinsomniac]

Woah, wow. Rand Paul dropped bombs all over HHS director Becerra, a....lawyer.

Must watch

And Rand Paul got banned from social media for publishing peer reviewed data… 2023 is going to be miserable for social media platforms…

 

[Steelworth]

You only answered part of the question, dumbass.

The sad thing is is that you probably typed that with a straight face:

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The sad thing is is that you probably typed that with a straight face:

After totally pulling a Trog and pretending to not know the answer to my question of what are the odds of dying for the unvaccinated. He knows the answer but also knows that the answer shoots down any argument there is for mandatory vaccinations. It is pure religious zealotry over Democratic policy with not an ounce of logic or common sense.

 

[Tibs]

Pure insanity, while you guys go chasing after squirrels, splitting hairs over vaccination data.

Health workers get panic buttons as COVID deniers get violent

Overworked health workers face jeers, harassment, attacks amid wave of cases.

arstechnica.com

Hospitals in several states are ramping up security and even providing wearable panic buttons to staff amid a wave of violent attacks sparked by COVID-related misinformation, denialists, and conspiracy theorists.

In a hospital in Branson, Missouri, as many as 400 staff members will have panic buttons added to their identification badges after assaults on staff members tripled amid the pandemic. Assaults rose from 40 in 2019 to 123 in 2020, the Associated Press reported. The numbers for 2021 have not been released. When pressed, the panic buttons will immediately alert hospital security and trigger a tracking system to locate the endangered worker.

Jackie Gatz, vice president of safety and preparedness for the Missouri Hospital Association, told the AP that, in addition to panic buttons, hospitals are also adding extra security cameras and having security personnel wear body cameras. A hospital in Springfield, Missouri, added security dogs, as well as panic buttons. Gatz noted that staff are also receiving training on de-escalation and physical protection tactics, such as keeping a hospital bed between a nurse and an agitated person.

In Idaho, health facilities are also beefing up security. COVID-related misinformation has spread like wildfire in the region, and patients have become belligerent.

"We've had reports of physical violence, verbal abuse, demands for alternative treatment that are not acceptable or approved. And those become very difficult conversations to have as the patient continues to decompensate," Brian Whitlock, president of the Idaho Hospital Association, told the AP.

 

[oneforthebus]

Tell us why folks were running around buying up all the bleach from the shelves, to the point Clorox and other manufacturers had to put out multiple warnings about it?

LOL. How many people injected themselves with it? A lot of people bought it because we were told that covid could be contracted from surfaces and that they should be scrupulously disinfecting surfaces. Memba that? Probably not.

 

[oneforthebus]

You only answered part of the question, dumbass.

No, don't inject disinfectant: Outcry over Trump's musing

The maker of Lysol and another disinfectant says its products should not be used as an internal treatment for the coronavirus.

www.fox5atlanta.com

Trump’s Suggestion That Disinfectants Could Be Used to Treat Coronavirus Prompts Aggressive Pushback (Published 2020)

Responding to the criticism from public health officials around the country, the president said he was playing a trick on reporters.

www.nytimes.com

Coronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

Doctors call the president's latest remarks about coronavirus treatment "dangerous" and "ridiculous".

www.bbc.com

Trump's improvised medicine show prompts frantic health warnings

The FDA warns that President Trump's much-touted coronavirus drugs could cause deaths. The White House says media 'irresponsibly' reported his words.

www.latimes.com

Trump Comment Prompts Experts to Warn Against Inhaling Bleach to Kill Coronavirus

Bleach is a toxic chemical, and inhaling it could damage the lungs

time.com

Bleach manufacturers have warned people not to inject themselves with disinfectant after Trump falsely suggested it might cure the coronavirus

They said "under no circumstances" should people inject themselves with bleach after President Donald Trump suggested it might cure the coronavirus.

www.businessinsider.com

‘Please don’t inject bleach’: Trump’s wild coronavirus claims prompt disbelief

During Thursday’s coronavirus briefing the president floated the idea of ‘an injection inside’ – and medical doctors were quick to denounce it

www.theguardian.com

Sorry, but if I hear someone say "Disinfectants kill this virus quickly, maybe we should study some sort of internal disinfectant, maybe by an injection of some sort" and I take that to mean "Go inject yourself with some bleach" I'm an excellent candidate for the Darwin Awards.

 

[oneforthebus]

By the way something like iodine is a disinfectant but is also used on people's bodies, if not in them, to kill germs. Obviously Trump is not a scientist and probably should have kept his mouth shut but throwing out the idea of using "disinfectants" on people is not entirely preposterous.

 

[madinsomniac]

LOL. How many people injected themselves with it? A lot of people bought it because we were told that covid could be contracted from surfaces and that they should be scrupulously disinfecting surfaces. Memba that? Probably not.

Obviously everyone using bleach must be drinking it… occam’s razor isn’t reasonable to people pushing an agenda… i know I always enjoy a nice cup of hot bleach with a hydrogen peroxide chaser in the morning .. then i huff some ammonia…. …

 

[Steelworth]

"I love the smell of ammonia in the morning"

 

[Booted]

Obviously everyone using bleach must be drinking it… occam’s razor isn’t reasonable to people pushing an agenda… i know I always enjoy a nice cup of hot bleach with a hydrogen peroxide chaser in the morning .. then i huff some ammonia…. …

Bleach is so good.....and good for you, I occasionally enjoy a mug of warmed bleach. I will sometimes dunk my toast into it. Just something about the butter and bleach mixed together....delish. Not only is it delicious but, you're inoculating yourself against covid as you have breakfast.

 

[madinsomniac]

By the way something like iodine is a disinfectant but is also used on people's bodies, if not in them, to kill germs. Obviously Trump is not a scientist and probably should have kept his mouth shut but throwing out the idea of using "disinfectants" on people is not entirely preposterous.

Both of the theoretical procedures Trump talked about there are real medical theories of treatment, but each has a very high probability of severe side effects… the ultraviolet light treatment suggestion predates his political life by a decade at least… but I don’t see how cancer would not be a serious concern

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

This is what I think of when I see all the anti-mask, anti-vaccination posts on this board.


The last known picture of the MAGA Anti-Parachuters.

And by leftist logic, that guy without a chute would somehow cause the chutes of the other 2 not to open.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Don't let the syntax fool you. He may not have used the word *bleach* specifically. He used *disinfectant.* Not sure that changes the gist of it.

are you under the impression that disinfectants are not used in medicine?

 

[Badcat]

And by leftist logic, that guy without a chute would somehow cause the chutes of the other 2 not to open.

******* Savage. LMAO.

 

[madinsomniac]

Therexwas some hairbrained idea about using a sub5% solution of bleach for hiv decades ago… at low levels it’s supposedly non toxic, but I don’t think that is viable or really intelligent to even pursue… which is probably why it stayed theoretical lol….

Look trump half assed a lot of statements that confused things at times… that we should all agree on

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Pure insanity, while you guys go chasing after squirrels, splitting hairs over vaccination data.

Health workers get panic buttons as COVID deniers get violent

Overworked health workers face jeers, harassment, attacks amid wave of cases.

arstechnica.com

Hospitals in several states are ramping up security and even providing wearable panic buttons to staff amid a wave of violent attacks sparked by COVID-related misinformation, denialists, and conspiracy theorists.

In a hospital in Branson, Missouri, as many as 400 staff members will have panic buttons added to their identification badges after assaults on staff members tripled amid the pandemic. Assaults rose from 40 in 2019 to 123 in 2020, the Associated Press reported. The numbers for 2021 have not been released. When pressed, the panic buttons will immediately alert hospital security and trigger a tracking system to locate the endangered worker.

Jackie Gatz, vice president of safety and preparedness for the Missouri Hospital Association, told the AP that, in addition to panic buttons, hospitals are also adding extra security cameras and having security personnel wear body cameras. A hospital in Springfield, Missouri, added security dogs, as well as panic buttons. Gatz noted that staff are also receiving training on de-escalation and physical protection tactics, such as keeping a hospital bed between a nurse and an agitated person.

In Idaho, health facilities are also beefing up security. COVID-related misinformation has spread like wildfire in the region, and patients have become belligerent.

"We've had reports of physical violence, verbal abuse, demands for alternative treatment that are not acceptable or approved. And those become very difficult conversations to have as the patient continues to decompensate," Brian Whitlock, president of the Idaho Hospital Association, told the AP.

https://www.steelernation.com/forums/threads/covid-vaccine.36523/post-854838

We are waiting Tiblio. You ignore natural immunity. You were presented with factual information and studies from your Washington Compost, citing scientific studies stating natural immunity is superior.

The facts destroyed your position.

You are silent.

Dare to reply with something more than your typical "MAGA is ruining the world, tin foil hat wearing" nonsensical bullshit?

We wait.

Meanwhile, my sister in law is a nurse in Michigan. She was assaulted earlier this year. I still have the pictures on my phone. Patient attacked her, beat her with fists. Broke her skull under her eyes with severe punches.

Had nothing to do with Covid at all in any way whatsoever. Why do I suspect this incident will fall into the stats you cite above? I wonder why I believe that.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Here's my view. Lefties will not acknowledge the tens of millions, likely more than 120 million, Americans who have recovered from the Chinese flu and have natural immunity because doing so weakens their feeble "vaccine, vaccine, vaccine" rant.

The "vaccine, vaccine, vaccine" rant has become the blatantly false narrative that those not vaccinated are right-wing Trump supporters, white supremacists. BOOGEYMAN LOCATED!!

Take away the boogeyman - January 6, unvaccinated - and people begin to look at what the imbecile (D)imbos are doing to the country. Inflation, crime, Afghanistan, economy, spending, debt, Chinese flu, and the border.

What a gigantic bowl of **** soup.

Wag The Dog

 

[hamster]

The whole"drinking bleach" myth was nothing more than a MSM concocted lie, but all of the brain dead zombies bought it hook, line and sinker. Really pathetic. Scary how they are easily duped.

 

[Steeltime]

The whole"drinking bleach" myth was nothing more than a MSM concocted lie, but all of the brain dead zombies bought it hook, line and sinker. Really pathetic. Scary how they are easily duped.

 

[Troglodyte]

Lifesite is fake news!! JFC!! /Floggy

Great find Stewey.

Here is the lawyer's site - https://renz-law.com/covid-pfizer-whistleblower-data/

He has a powerpoint presentation there with a lot of data. He had someone (law clerks?) pull and compile data. Really, really good data. Document here: https://docs.google.com/viewerng/vi...tent/uploads/covid-presentation-sept-2021.pdf

HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DOWNLOAD THE .PPT OR GO TO THE LINK AND VIEW IT.

Remember how I have said numerous times, VAERS is not the only place to look for data, that data is also reported to other sources like CMS? Well they pulled that data. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services.

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LOL! OK, so first of all, the math isn’t even correct. It’s 47,465. Secondly, so the **** what? Perspective, Tim!

53 million Medicare patients have been vaccinated. So 1 out of every 1,100 has died, 40% of which were over 80 years old. Old people die.

 

[Troglodyte]

For the third time, you are the one lying about the decision in the Carlson case. Outright lying because I previously gave you the true facts, The judge correctly found that Carlson was not actually accusing McDougal of the crime of extortion and was simply using hyperbole (that means exaggeration or overstatement, since I know big words are hard for you) to make his point. Here is part of what the judge actually held:





Read the decision, rather than repeating some idiotic blurb you slurped up from Media Matters.

McDougal v. Fox News Network, LLC, No. 1:2019cv11161 - Document 39 (S.D.N.Y. 2020)

McDougal v. Fox News Network, LLC, No. 1:2019cv11161 - Document 39 (S.D.N.Y. 2020) case opinion from the Southern District of New York US Federal District Court

law.justia.com

Second, the 1st amendment most certainly protects "lies" to a significant degree.

Does the First Amendment Protect Lying?

Cases, notes, and questions on the issue of whether the Constitution protects lies

law2.umkc.edu

The problem here is that eminently qualified professionals - immunologists, epidemiologists, Ph.D.'s, pharmacological experts - simply disagree with the government narrative.

That's it. And that is the speech most deserving of protection.

And one thing is patently clear - you are unqualified to criticize or challenge expert opinions by immunologists, epidemiologists, Ph.D.'s, and pharmacological experts about the Chinese flu, origins, treatments, the vaccine, etc.

Just as you are patently unqualified to render legal opinions on the 1st Amendment.



You are not very bright, are you?

The scientific method is to pose a theory and test it with experimentation and observation. If the theory proves correct under the test, it is deemed a scientific "fact" until later testing and theorizing proves the earlier scientific "fact" wrong, or incomplete, or inaccurate.

That does not make the revised or now-rejected scientific "fact" any less of a fact when it was held to be the prevailing scientific "fact."

I love how your argument is “the first amendment most certainly protects lies” instead of “they aren’t lying”.

 

[Steeltime]

I love how your argument is “the first amendment most certainly protects lies” instead of “they aren’t lying”.

You stupid ******* retard, I was responding to your false narrative. Idiot.

Go ahead and pick one of the videos that YouTube banned and let's talk about its viability. Go ahead.

Or just continue to post stupid **** and when shown to be an imbecile and a liar, change the subject.

Moron.

 

[Steeltime]

53 million Medicare patients have been vaccinated. So 1 out of every 1,100 has died, 40% of which were over 80 years old. Old people die.

Hmm, not what you were saying a year ago regarding Chinese flu deaths.

Idiot. Moron. Imbecile. Jackass. Liar.

If the dunce cap and butt plug fit ...

 

[Troglodyte]

I'm curious why you deny this concept or find it so hard to believe. To date, there have been countless studies on natural immunity.

6 months after the pandemic began, those who had Covid still had antibodies.
12 months after the pandemic began, those who had Covid still had antibodies.
18 months after the pandemic began, those who had Covid still had antibodies.

Throughout history, natural defense has typically proven to be more effective than artificial defense. Not always, but usually.

We have provided medically researched and peer-reviewed studies over and over and over that you dismiss.

As of right now, based on the data that has been presented, even as Sarge pointed out, natural immunity in this moment in time appears to be your best protection.

Why does this concept chafe you so?

I'll tell you why. Because your Liberal media has told you to defy it. To ignore it. Not based on science mind you, but based on politics.

Even your beloved Washington Compost agrees.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/

It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.

More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus.

• A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated.
• This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.”
• And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.

So, the emerging science suggests that natural immunity is as good as or better than vaccine-induced immunity.

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The emerging science suggest that natural immunity is as good as or better than vaccine-induced immunity.

So why do you fight it so vehemently?

So natural Covid immunity is more effective because natural immunity is USUALLY move effective, but people should resist the vaccines based on what USUALLY DOES NOT happen?

 

[Steeltime]

So natural Covid immunity is more effective because natural immunity is USUALLY move effective, but people should resist the vaccines based on what USUALLY DOES NOT happen?

Do you throw words into a hat and pull them out at random to make up your strawman arguments? If so, not bad.

If you actually craft these make-believe arguments intentionally, then you need to re-take 2nd grade.

Let me explain like I would to a 2nd grader. TSF points out that natural immunity provides GREATER protection from the Chinese flu than the vaccines. TSF has had the Chinese flu and has natural immunity. Therefore, TSF does not need the vaccine. Also, the vaccine which TSF does not need has a long list of problems, a lot of which COULD be merely anecdotal (meaning not scientific but instead simply descriptions of events known personally to the person providing the information), but that does not matter since he has more protection from the Chinese flu than the vaccine could provide - just like 120 million Americans - so why in God's name run the risk of any such side-effects??

If that is too difficult for you, have a 2nd grader explain it.