Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

Idiot, those are ALL-TIME cases (PRE and post vaccine), did you really think it made sense that the current case rate was 765/10,000, that one out of every thirteen 20-29 year olds currently has Covid? That would be quite something! Below that is CURRENT cases, ages 0-9 is highest, then 10-19 year-olds.

Scroll further down and you’ll see that breakthrough cases represent only .6%, or 1 out of every 167 of fully vaccinated people.

You’ve been exposed as being mathematically and graphically dyslexic.

They are vaccinating 12 years and older. The rate of infection is substantially higher in 10-19 years old (most of which can be vaccinated).

• Vermont defines children as 19 and under and they represent 23% of cases.
• 0-11 years old = unvaxed
• 12-19 years old = vaxed
• 21% of children with Covid are 18-19 years old (vaccinated) <----nearly 1/4 of all "child" cases are 18-19 vaxed adults
• Older Children have a higher rate of Covid than younger children

"All of the cases are coming from unvaccinated kids, the vaccines work!!" /Floggy​

LMAO no.

The 0-11 year old group is driving a portion of cases. The bulk of kid cases come from the 12-19 year old vaxed group. 0-11 year olds may be driving 10-11% of cases in VT.

Good try.

So back to the question: with 67% of their recent deaths being people vaccinated, with ICUs full (their media reporting this) who's filling the hospital beds and dying? Kids?

 

[Steelr4evr]

Keep pedaling your misinformation campaign, no one is buying it. Especially when OFTB and others ask you a simple question and you ignore it. You have nothing to offer the conversation except far left propaganda.

That's all that dude has ever been. Spew off some bullshit, answer for nothing. Run to the next topic, spew bullshit, run away. Rinse and repeat.


You guys have had 10+ years of this. That picture was painted long ago. It's like watching a movie you've seen 50 times hoping that the ending will change.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If everyone was vaccinated, spread wouldn’t really matter much, limited or not.

There we have it, Dr. Floggy on display folks.

Shows us all an article that will edumacate us. He has no idea the article doesn't even cover the vaccines he's discussing, that's it's about vaccines used in Europe (not here), then touts how the vaccines here might stop spread for 3 months as if that is a sign of polio-vaccine-like effectiveness....

3 months....let me repeat...the vaccines might prevent spread...might...for 3 months.

"If everyone was vaxed, spread wouldn't matter" -- ummm, wtf?? Vermont: Their vaccinated are spreading Covid, it's hospitalizing them, and the majority of their deaths are the vaxed as they set ALL TIME record high numbers in cases.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Im not here to “win” a debate.. i just want a rational reasonable answer as to why they are pushing three versions of effectively the same vaccine treatment method and sitting on a wealth of others that would solve their confidence issues in the public and that historically have been proven better against variants and longer lasting that these new methods

$$$$$$$$$$

 

[ZonaBurgh]

 

[Troglodyte]

Are these vaccines safe, the only real answer is maybe.

https://www.wtae.com/article/persis...es-months-after-covd-19-vaccinations/37897449

“Doctor (that’s DOCTOR) explains that it SHOULDN’T cause vaccine hesitancy.”

 

[Troglodyte]

You give yourself way too much credit believing strangers on the internet care what another stranger thinks.

After you recently solicited my opinion…

 

[fedderone]

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It’s silly to compare people losing their jobs because they CHOSE not to do something to people dying, period.

I refute social media and YouTube nonsense with MULTIPLE news reports citing MULTIPLE health officials and doctors stating the SAME thing and that makes me a troll? Whatever.

No, you’re a troll because you post things that only support your opinion, you ignore any counter opinion even when accompanied by supporting facts/figures/documents, and you refuse to answer any direct question posed to you.
THAT earns you the gold star of trolling.

 

[Troglodyte]

except in the breakthrough cases ... which you only acknowledge when its convenient

No. There is little evidence that suggests the initial two doses of the vaccine are losing their effectiveness in preventing severe illness and hospitalization. In other words, the boosters might be preventing not much more than mild to moderate illness. Breakthrough cases have at it.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

After you recently solicited my opinion…

Meh, just hoping you could answer a question without deflecting, which was my motivation is asking.

 

[Superman]

“Doctor (that’s DOCTOR) explains that it SHOULDN’T cause vaccine hesitancy.”

and there are a whole lot of other Doctors (that's DOCTORS) and Nurses (that's NURSES) who refuse to get the stabby stab.
ah, ignore those. they go against the grain.
amirite?

 

[Superman]

No. There is little evidence that suggests the initial two doses of the vaccine are losing their effectiveness in preventing severe illness and hospitalization. In other words, the boosters might be preventing not much more than mild to moderate illness. Breakthrough cases have at it.

 

[Badcat]

No. There is little evidence that suggests the initial two doses of the vaccine are losing their effectiveness in preventing severe illness and hospitalization. In other words, the boosters might be preventing not much more than mild to moderate illness. Breakthrough cases have at it.

Pfizer says you're full of ****.

Oct 4 (Reuters) - The effectiveness of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N)/BioNTech SE vaccine in preventing infection by the coronavirus dropped to 47% from 88% six months after the second dose, according to data published on Monday that U.S. health agencies considered when deciding on the need for booster shots.

 

[Troglodyte]

No, you’re a troll because you post things that only support your opinion, you ignore any counter opinion even when accompanied by supporting facts/figures/documents, and you refuse to answer any direct question posed to you.
THAT earns you the gold star of trolling.

Bullshit. See my earlier reply to Tim, he posted facts/figures/documents. The problem was he misrepresented them. I set his idiot *** straight.

I ignore questions about nonsensical conspiracy theories and fake news stories. I’ve even suggested that everyone post at least two sources to prove that it’s legitimate and not fabricated. When only one person is claiming something that should be able to be verified, it’s usually made-up.

 

[Superman]

Bullshit. See my earlier reply to Tim, he posted facts/figures/documents. The problem was he misrepresented them. I set his idiot *** straight.

I ignore questions about nonsensical conspiracy theories and fake news stories. I’ve even suggested that everyone post at least two sources to prove that it’s legitimate and not fabricated. When only one person is claiming something that should be able to be verified, it’s usually made-up.

you have got to be ********. YOU didnt start posting links to your sources until ... MONTHS after being told to do that. Even then your links are **** and the data you so strive for is easily disproven.

there is simply no way you're being serious here. if we could put one of those Facebook covers over your posts, we would and should.

after review, this post is deemed false and filled with misinformation.

FALSE
This rating indicates that the primary elements of a claim are demonstrably false.


*yes, I know precisely where that image came from*

 

[Troglodyte]

They are vaccinating 12 years and older. The rate of infection is substantially higher in 10-19 years old (most of which can be vaccinated).
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• Vermont defines children as 19 and under and they represent 23% of cases.
• 0-11 years old = unvaxed
• 12-19 years old = vaxed
• 21% of children with Covid are 18-19 years old (vaccinated) <----nearly 1/4 of all "child" cases are 18-19 vaxed adults
• Older Children have a higher rate of Covid than younger children

"All of the cases are coming from unvaccinated kids, the vaccines work!!" /Floggy​

LMAO no.

The 0-11 year old group is driving a portion of cases. The bulk of kid cases come from the 12-19 year old vaxed group. 0-11 year olds may be driving 10-11% of cases in VT.

Good try.

So back to the question: with 67% of their recent deaths being people vaccinated, with ICUs full (their media reporting this) who's filling the hospital beds and dying? Kids?

Idiot, you keep referring to ALL-TIME cases (PRE and post) vaccine. Does it make sense to you that one in every nineteen 10-19 year-olds currently has Covid? That’d be like the US having 17.4 million Covid cases.

“Their media reporting this” Really? You sure it’s not more Timinformation?

 

[Superman]

Idiot, you keep referring to ALL-TIME cases (PRE and post) vaccine. Does it make sense to you that one in every nineteen 10-19 year-olds currently has Covid? That’d be like the US having 17.4 million Covid cases.

“Their media reporting this” Really? You sure it’s not more Timinformation?

34,480,233 have recovered from Covid.

United States COVID: 45,029,387 Cases and 730,404 Deaths - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I'm not an actuary, nor do I have any desire to be since I have self-respect and a working hang-down, but I do believe that 34,480,233 is nearly twice 17,400,000

 

[Troglodyte]

you have got to be ********. YOU didnt start posting links to your sources until ... MONTHS after being told to do that. Even then your links are **** and the data you so strive for is easily disproven.

there is simply no way you're being serious here. if we could put one of those Facebook covers over your posts, we would and should.

after review, this post is deemed false and filled with misinformation.

FALSE
This rating indicates that the primary elements of a claim are demonstrably false.


*yes, I know precisely where that image came from*

Oh? Please do disprove any of my recent links.

Lemme guess “nah” = disprove, right?

 

[Troglodyte]

34,480,233 have recovered from Covid.

United States COVID: 45,029,387 Cases and 730,404 Deaths - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I'm not an actuary, nor do I have any desire to be since I have self-respect and a working hang-down, but I do believe that 34,480,233 is nearly twice 17,400,000

Current cases, idiot.

 

[Superman]

Current cases, idiot.

then be specific, ********

 

[Superman]

Oh? Please do disprove any of my recent links.

Lemme guess “nah” = disprove, right?

oh, TSF is doing a fine job of pushing your face in your own **** and whipping you with a rolled up newspaper.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Idiot, you keep referring to ALL-TIME cases (PRE and post) vaccine. Does it make sense to you that one in every nineteen 10-19 year-olds currently has Covid? That’d be like the US having 17.4 million Covid cases.

“Their media reporting this” Really? You sure it’s not more Timinformation?

HOLY **** I cannot believe you continue to argue that ALL cases in VT are due to unvaccinated kids. Do you honestly believe this? I'm asking?
Do you REALLY believe that in that past several weeks 100% of their cases come from kids, despite them pre and post vaccine representing 23% of all cases?
Despite that demographic being 50% vaccinated (those ages 12-19, and the 12-19 year olds have historically and today have had a higher rate of infection)?
By making the claim ALL of the cases are coming from the kids, you are saying that people 0-11 years old drive all of the cases...

100%. Every, damned one comes from people 0-11 years old.

I keep asking you and you keep refusing to answer....who's occupying hospital beds and who's dying?

I'll post the sources for you again, which you won't read...again.

Breakthrough....meaning people who were vaccinated...guess it's not the unvaxed kids huh?

“76% of September Covid-19 Deaths are Vax Breakthroughs” – Vermont Daily Chronicle - NewsRescue.com

NewsRescue by Guy Page, Vermont Daily Chronicle Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid-19 in September were unvaccinated, the Vermont Department of Heath said Wednesday. Health Department spokesperson Ben Truman said most of the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ Covid-19 fatalities were elderly...

newsrescue.com

Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid-19 in September were unvaccinated, the Vermont Department of Heath said Wednesday.

Health Department spokesperson Ben Truman said most of the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ Covid-19 fatalities were elderly. Because they were among the first vaccinated, Vermont’s elderly “have had more time to potentially become a vaccine breakthrough case,” he said.

Expressed in percentages, 76% of Vermont Covid-19 fatalities were breakthrough cases. As of Tuesday, 88 percent of all eligible Vermonters (age 12 and over) had been vaccinated with at least one shot.

Vaccinated and elderly....NOT UNVAXED KIDS.

76% of September Covid-19 deaths are vax breakthroughs

More than three-quarters of Vermont Covid-19 fatalities in September were vaccine ‘breakthrough’ cases.

vermontdailychronicle.com

Simply In: Vermont COVID Deaths Are 76% Absolutely Vaccinated ‘Breakthrough’ Instances

Data from Vermont has just destroyed Fauci’s claims about the unapproved vaccine.Citizen Free Press reported:Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ casesDespite having some of the highest vaccination rates in the country, the s

www.journalposts.com

Your fave, the VTDigger:

Covid case counts set Vermont records, and state data shows concerning trends on fatalities

Eight weeks of data specific to the Delta variant shows that, while unvaccinated Vermonters remain at significantly higher risk of infection and hospitalization, older vaccinated Vermonters are dying from the disease at similar rates.

vtdigger.org

Please, respond again, telling us all how it's the little tikes who are unvaxed again? Please?

 

[Troglodyte]

HOLY **** I cannot believe you continue to argue that ALL cases in VT are due to unvaccinated kids. Do you honestly believe this? I'm asking?
Do you REALLY believe that in that past several weeks 100% of their cases come from kids, despite them pre and post vaccine representing 23% of all cases?
Despite that demographic being 50% vaccinated (those ages 12-19, and the 12-19 year olds have historically and today have had a higher rate of infection)?
By making the claim ALL of the cases are coming from the kids, you are saying that people 0-11 years old drive all of the cases...

100%. Every, damned one comes from people 0-11 years old.

I keep asking you and you keep refusing to answer....who's occupying hospital beds and who's dying?

I'll post the sources for you again, which you won't read...again.

Breakthrough....meaning people who were vaccinated...guess it's not the unvaxed kids huh?

“76% of September Covid-19 Deaths are Vax Breakthroughs” – Vermont Daily Chronicle - NewsRescue.com

NewsRescue by Guy Page, Vermont Daily Chronicle Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid-19 in September were unvaccinated, the Vermont Department of Heath said Wednesday. Health Department spokesperson Ben Truman said most of the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ Covid-19 fatalities were elderly...

newsrescue.com

Vaccinated and elderly....NOT UNVAXED KIDS.

76% of September Covid-19 deaths are vax breakthroughs

More than three-quarters of Vermont Covid-19 fatalities in September were vaccine ‘breakthrough’ cases.

vermontdailychronicle.com

Simply In: Vermont COVID Deaths Are 76% Absolutely Vaccinated ‘Breakthrough’ Instances

Data from Vermont has just destroyed Fauci’s claims about the unapproved vaccine.Citizen Free Press reported:Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ casesDespite having some of the highest vaccination rates in the country, the s

www.journalposts.com

Your fave, the VTDigger:

Covid case counts set Vermont records, and state data shows concerning trends on fatalities

Eight weeks of data specific to the Delta variant shows that, while unvaccinated Vermonters remain at significantly higher risk of infection and hospitalization, older vaccinated Vermonters are dying from the disease at similar rates.

vtdigger.org

Please, respond again, telling us all how it's the little tikes who are unvaxed again? Please?

For **** sake, Newsrescue.com? You’re truly pathetic. No wonder you didn’t share your source. #EXPOSED

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[Tim Steelersfan]

For **** sake, Newsrescue.com? You’re truly pathetic. No wonder you didn’t share your source. #EXPOSED

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NewsRescue recognizes the threat of Fake news, so you don't have to. We filter the news to give you only the important real stories. No junk, no fake news.

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I posted multiple sources because you would go just where you did.

I guess the VT Daily Chronicle is bullshit, as is the VTDigger that YOU yourself used as a source? LMAO. They all share the same news that newsrescue repeated.

EACH source I provided provides the same story which came from the VT Dept of Health.

I guess Ben Truman is made up too? https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-truman-8448b66b. The Public Health Communications Officer at the VT Dept of Health? He's quoted in the articles stating 76% of their deaths were from vaccinated individuals.

I guess his email, given upon request by the VT Daily Chronicle is also made up?

Vermont Daily Chronicle asked Health Department spokesman Ben Truman Tuesday for a vaxxed/unvaxxed breakdown of the 33 September deaths. The full text of his email appears below:

“Eight of the 33 deaths in September were not vaccinated.

You're so desperate to win an online debate that you attack ONE source, you ignore all of the others, and you ignore the quotes and emails from The Actual Vermont Dept of Health and you call it fake news.

If you won't accept data from those sources, you can't be reasoned with. This we already knew.

Finally, I'd like you to repeat your claim that 100% of the cases in VT are being driven by unvaccinated kids ages 0-11, while simultaneously explaining for us all - who is then dying and accounting for the deaths, 76% of which are vaccinated, the majority of which who are the ELDERLY.

This ought to be tremendous spin.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Kids are 100% of the cases in VT!!! It's the kids' fault! They are unvaxed and driving the VT pandemic!



Them kids be killing erryone in VT. Catching Covid and all surviving. VAX them all!!