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Says the guy who is seemingly proud of getting himself, his family and who knows who else infected with Covid.
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It’s supporting an argument with irrefutable statistical facts, Tim. Why do you hate that?
It was designed to flood the election with fake mail-in ballots. Period. Live in the now.
Line staff mostly clinical. Ages vary from mid 30s to fricking 72! I’m like what the hell is this 72 still working AND she was in a prison! Don’t ask.
I’m not aware of previous health conditions. I’d only see that if it was in the case notes which they are not.
Agreed. They politicalized a crisis which in turn has created myriad of angry people.
Add on top of that in the beginning stages we had race riots, etc. It was too easy to sucker in Americans in turning against each other.
Now I don’t know what to make of all this. Over on the football side of the forum, fellow members are getting sick, losing friends and relatives to sickness.
I respect and can agree to disagree with people. It’s the political aspect that creates hatred and politicians in power seem to egg it on
You cheered the lockdowns. Rooted for them. Rooted for them to continue.
I feel blessed my family and I got the Rona and have natural immunity without serious complication.
You should look up the definition of pride.
You believe it does. We've destroyed State Roulette over and over and over and over.
South Dakota anyone? Throw in a little Vermont?
State Roulette is a dumb game. I've explained why. You can't grasp it.
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What? I find that hard to believe. Health systems have implemented Covid guidelines limiting visitation of all types of patients.
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If a patient is hospitalized due to complications from the flu, family can be with said patient.
Prior to COVID, including OG SARS, family was allowed in room with afflicted patient who acquired a virus.
Prior to COVID, family would be advised of dangers and typically given PPE to wear.
I’m NOT touting conspiracy theories, but they’re treating COVID like it’s it’s an airborne version of Ebola and saying things that clinically and scientifically make zero sense, and contradict everything we know about viruses of this nature.
I can understand the “confusion” or uncertainty back in December 2019 and maybe for the first couple of months of 2020.
But especially today, in the here and now, I am surrounded by insanity and irrationality due to COVID.
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No, not what I was saying.
Yes, hospitals have in fact implemented COVID protocols. My hospital system included.
There are certain conditions/illnesses where EXTRA precautions and protocols are used. Most for the health of the patient, but some instances for the health of visitors, such as no visitors.
COVID should not be one of these, but that is merely my opinion. I did not mean to insinuate that there actually wasn’t.
In early to mid 2020, my system did have a no visitor of COVID patients, and at one time, one dedicated hospital for all COVID patients.
Luckily, they’ve since changed these protocols after “following the science”.
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His wife had symptomatic covid. I'm not sure what you aren't getting about this. If someone has active, symptomatic influenza and the hospital knows it they would not be allowed in the ICU. I was not allowed in the PICU with my son for a few days because I had pinkeye. It's for the protection of everyone else there.
No covid is not ebola. It's much less deadly but much MORE contagious. And pretty dangerous to severely ill people like patients in an ICU.
Sad story. Damn.
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That decision has turned into a nightmare. Maddie, a previously healthy, energetic, full of life child, was within 24 hours of her second dose reduced to crippling, scream-inducing pain that landed her in the emergency room where she described feeling like someone was “ripping [her] heart out though [her] neck.”
Over the next several months the nightmare continued, during which Maddie was hospitalized several times and suffered numerous systemic injuries, requires a tube through her nose that carries her food and medicine, and a wheelchair for assistance.
Ms. de Garay documented every detail of Maddie’s injury and reported it to the principal investigator for the Pfizer trial at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital where the vaccine clinical trial was occurring and where Maddie was treated and admitted. They first tried to treat Maddie as “a mental patient,” telling the family it was psychological and in Maddie’s imagination. Then they claimed it was unrelated to the vaccine (copy of recording with hospital below), and when that argument failed, Pfizer listed this traumatic adverse event as “functional abdominal pain” when reporting to the FDA.
Ms. de Garay reported what occurred to the CDC and FDA through VAERS in June 2021 but nobody from these agencies sought additional information or followed-up with the de Garays. Ms. de Garay also reached out to Dr. Nath, a Chief in the NIH’s National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, responded by stating he was “Sorry to hear of your daughter’s illness” and that “We have certainly heard of a lot of cases of neurological complications form [sic] the vaccine and will be glad to share our experience with them.” (Copy of this email is below.) Unfortunately, other than a call arranged by Maddie’s neurologist, there was no follow-up or response from NIH or any other federal health agency. Even after Ms. de Garay did a press event on June 28, 2021 with Senator Ron Johnson, neither Pfizer nor any health agency reached out in any manner to address Maddie’s injury or obtain any additional information.
This story is extremely troubling. Pfizer’s clinical trial for children aged 12-15 included only 1,131 children who were vaccinated and at least one of those children suffered a devastating, life-altering injury which, despite incontrovertible proof and the cries of both the victim and her parents, has not been appropriately acknowledged by Pfizer or the FDA. Putting aside that one serious injury in a small trial should alone raise blaring alarm bells, one must ask: what other serious adverse events have been hidden and ignored by regulators?
For a virus that rarely harms children, the need to assure safety of the Covid-19 vaccine is high. A study with only 1,131 children is underpowered. It will not pick up anything but the most common adverse events. If what Maddie suffered will occur in 1/1,000 children, that would result in 75,000 children in this country suffering this serious injury. If it happens 1/10,000 children, that is 7,500 suffering this serious injury. It could be that the cure is worse than the disease. But that will only be known if there is a properly powered (a.k.a., sized) clinical trial with children.
International scientists have declared that “inadequately powered studies should themselves be considered a breach of ethical standards.” Without a clinical trial of sufficient size that reviews all potential adverse events, such as that experienced by Maddie, for a sufficient duration, this potentially catastrophic result will not be identified prior to authorization or licensure.
And as Dr. Woodcock and Dr. Marks have said, “because young children are still growing and developing, it’s critical that thorough and robust clinical trials of adequate size are completed to evaluate the safety and the immune response to a COVID-19 vaccine in this population. Children are not small adults – and issues that may be addressed in pediatric vaccine trials can include whether there is a need for different doses or different strength formulations of vaccines already used for adults.”
The de Garay family are truly brave to come forward with their story and are doing so in the hope of preventing other children from being injured like their Maddie. My firm has sent a letter to the FDA regarding Maddie, a copy of which is below. The de Garay family also released its communication with the NIH and recorded conversations with the trial’s principal investigator - links to both are below.
Will the FDA require Pfizer to actually conduct a properly powered study? Unlikely. To do so would be for its leadership, and especially Dr. Janet Woodcock and Dr. Marks, to self-inflict a wound. It reflects the danger of placing safety in hands of government officials that have been promoting a product, because to admit a safety issue now requires them to effectively cut off their own hands.
The real lesson is not that pharmaceutical companies, or the FDA should act better or do a better job. That just won’t always be the case. The real lesson is that civil and individual rights should never be contingent upon a medical procedure. Never. Preserving those rights to choose whether to get a medical product, without any government coercion, is the final and ultimate safeguard. Removing that right results in dangerous authoritarianism because just as the FDA will not admit to Maddie’s serious injury after having promoted this vaccine, politicians that mandate the vaccine will not want to later admit a mistake by repealing the mandate.
Letter to Federal Health Authorities Regarding Maddie
Stephanie de Garay’s Email Exchange with NIH
Patrick and Stephanie de Garay’s Phone Call with Pfizer trial Principal Investigator on May 17, 2021
FDA Buries Data on Seriously Injured Child in Pfizer’s Covid-19 Clinical Trial
The FDA should not authorize the Pfizer jab for younger children until it conducts a proper trial
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FDA Buries Data on Seriously Injured Child in Pfizer’s Covid-19 Clinical Trial
The FDA should not authorize the Pfizer jab for younger children until it conducts a proper trial
When Stephanie and Patrick de Garay enrolled their 12-year-old child Maddie and her two brothers in Pfizer’s Covid-19 clinical trial, they believed they were doing the right thing.That decision has turned into a nightmare. Maddie, a previously healthy, energetic, full of life child, was within 24 hours of her second dose reduced to crippling, scream-inducing pain that landed her in the emergency room where she described feeling like someone was “ripping [her] heart out though [her] neck.”
Over the next several months the nightmare continued, during which Maddie was hospitalized several times and suffered numerous systemic injuries, requires a tube through her nose that carries her food and medicine, and a wheelchair for assistance.
Ms. de Garay documented every detail of Maddie’s injury and reported it to the principal investigator for the Pfizer trial at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital where the vaccine clinical trial was occurring and where Maddie was treated and admitted. They first tried to treat Maddie as “a mental patient,” telling the family it was psychological and in Maddie’s imagination. Then they claimed it was unrelated to the vaccine (copy of recording with hospital below), and when that argument failed, Pfizer listed this traumatic adverse event as “functional abdominal pain” when reporting to the FDA.
Ms. de Garay reported what occurred to the CDC and FDA through VAERS in June 2021 but nobody from these agencies sought additional information or followed-up with the de Garays. Ms. de Garay also reached out to Dr. Nath, a Chief in the NIH’s National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, responded by stating he was “Sorry to hear of your daughter’s illness” and that “We have certainly heard of a lot of cases of neurological complications form [sic] the vaccine and will be glad to share our experience with them.” (Copy of this email is below.) Unfortunately, other than a call arranged by Maddie’s neurologist, there was no follow-up or response from NIH or any other federal health agency. Even after Ms. de Garay did a press event on June 28, 2021 with Senator Ron Johnson, neither Pfizer nor any health agency reached out in any manner to address Maddie’s injury or obtain any additional information.
This story is extremely troubling. Pfizer’s clinical trial for children aged 12-15 included only 1,131 children who were vaccinated and at least one of those children suffered a devastating, life-altering injury which, despite incontrovertible proof and the cries of both the victim and her parents, has not been appropriately acknowledged by Pfizer or the FDA. Putting aside that one serious injury in a small trial should alone raise blaring alarm bells, one must ask: what other serious adverse events have been hidden and ignored by regulators?
For a virus that rarely harms children, the need to assure safety of the Covid-19 vaccine is high. A study with only 1,131 children is underpowered. It will not pick up anything but the most common adverse events. If what Maddie suffered will occur in 1/1,000 children, that would result in 75,000 children in this country suffering this serious injury. If it happens 1/10,000 children, that is 7,500 suffering this serious injury. It could be that the cure is worse than the disease. But that will only be known if there is a properly powered (a.k.a., sized) clinical trial with children.
International scientists have declared that “inadequately powered studies should themselves be considered a breach of ethical standards.” Without a clinical trial of sufficient size that reviews all potential adverse events, such as that experienced by Maddie, for a sufficient duration, this potentially catastrophic result will not be identified prior to authorization or licensure.
And as Dr. Woodcock and Dr. Marks have said, “because young children are still growing and developing, it’s critical that thorough and robust clinical trials of adequate size are completed to evaluate the safety and the immune response to a COVID-19 vaccine in this population. Children are not small adults – and issues that may be addressed in pediatric vaccine trials can include whether there is a need for different doses or different strength formulations of vaccines already used for adults.”
The de Garay family are truly brave to come forward with their story and are doing so in the hope of preventing other children from being injured like their Maddie. My firm has sent a letter to the FDA regarding Maddie, a copy of which is below. The de Garay family also released its communication with the NIH and recorded conversations with the trial’s principal investigator - links to both are below.
Will the FDA require Pfizer to actually conduct a properly powered study? Unlikely. To do so would be for its leadership, and especially Dr. Janet Woodcock and Dr. Marks, to self-inflict a wound. It reflects the danger of placing safety in hands of government officials that have been promoting a product, because to admit a safety issue now requires them to effectively cut off their own hands.
The real lesson is not that pharmaceutical companies, or the FDA should act better or do a better job. That just won’t always be the case. The real lesson is that civil and individual rights should never be contingent upon a medical procedure. Never. Preserving those rights to choose whether to get a medical product, without any government coercion, is the final and ultimate safeguard. Removing that right results in dangerous authoritarianism because just as the FDA will not admit to Maddie’s serious injury after having promoted this vaccine, politicians that mandate the vaccine will not want to later admit a mistake by repealing the mandate.
Letter to Federal Health Authorities Regarding Maddie
Stephanie de Garay’s Email Exchange with NIH
Patrick and Stephanie de Garay’s Phone Call with Pfizer trial Principal Investigator on May 17, 2021
Irish Quandary: Who to Blame When Everyone’s Vaxxed? - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics
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99.7% vaccination rate in Waterford County, well over 90% nationwide and four times the rate of infection of Florida, Floggy's Chinese flu boogeyman.
Huh. Almost like the thing's a virus.
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See you just switched it there.
YOU, not the patient in the PICU, had pinkeye.
YOU are not the one in the hospital as a patient.
YOU as the potential visitor to person in PICU.
That is COMPLETELY OPPOSITE of what I’m discussing with Trog and what I’ve been posting about since I started talking about this.
I’m talking about a 100% healthy with absolutely no symptoms of anything family member visiting their inpatient family member with COVID or whatever else.
I’ve been quite clear on this, so I’m not sure what you’re not getting about this.
Can we sum up what we have learned about vaxxes over the past year?
Here is my take.....
I had the two shot moderna back in March. No side effects. I am eligible for the booster because of my age.
Should I get the booster? I just got the flu vax. I am not an anti-vaxxer.
I will rely upon the advice of my PCP, not you *************. But just curious about opinions.
Here is my take.....
I had the two shot moderna back in March. No side effects. I am eligible for the booster because of my age.
Should I get the booster? I just got the flu vax. I am not an anti-vaxxer.
I will rely upon the advice of my PCP, not you *************. But just curious about opinions.
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Your body, your choice.
You gotta do what you think is best for you.
My OPINION?
You’ve already jumped in head first.
Might as well stick with the program.
Anything worth doing is worth doing right.
Don’t 1/2 *** it.
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If you get the next jab, will it be the one designed for delta? Since the answer is no, get a different one because it will increase the number of epitopes that your antibodies can bind with.
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You're due for your booster old man...go get the jabby jab.
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OH, OH, OH!!! Irish County roulette!!! Tim declared this a stupid game.Irish Quandary: Who to Blame When Everyone’s Vaxxed? - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics
During his Thursday town hall meeting with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, President Joe Biden blithely dismissed the most basic assertion of...
99.7% vaccination rate in Waterford County, well over 90% nationwide and four times the rate of infection of Florida, Floggy's Chinese flu boogeyman.
Huh. Almost like the thing's a virus.
Ireland’s current Covid death rate is .18/100k. Next…
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You commented on my post so I assumed you were replying to the situation I described, which was the fact that my acquaintance's wife could not visit her dying husband in the ICU because she had symptomatic covid. They did let his sister in who did not have covid, although technically they aren't supposed to do that because they don't want the patient giving people covid. Perhaps they are letting up on those requirements, I don't know.
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Wait, I thought we were using cases.
Oh, so what we do is look for the best number - cases, hospitalizations, mortalities, average income, whatever - in support of an argument and use THAT.
Got it. For example:
Floggy pays exactly zero to support the forum he pollutes with his stupidity.
Next!!
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I will probably get it if and when I'm eligible. Serious adverse effects are rare and as has been argued here ad infinitum, immunity wanes over time. It's not unprecedented for some vaccines to require several doses. Or this may be something like the flu shot that we will need to get every year. But I'm 54 and have no underlying conditions so it will probably be awhile before I'm eligible.
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My opinion, is that you should rely on the advice of your PCP. I’d be surprised if he/she advised differently than the CDC.
My suspicion is that the boosters are being pushed preemptively and possibly will not do much more than prevent mild to moderate symptomatic illness.
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The vaccines are highly effective in preventing severe illness and hospitalization. So the result of increasing cases will be drastically different between high vaccinated and low vaccinated regions. Tim doesn’t like when I illustrate this by comparing VT and WV.
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So when does this thread die? No.19 will still be here 5 years from now. Probably have the No.20 up running strong, the new improved Wuhan Super Deluxe model.