Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

[Badcat]

You typed it, must have not read it. Archer is not going to get to 190.

He is also an inch shorter than Archer, and let's face it, he's going to gain about 10 lbs as he matures. Is a 10 lb difference really that much when we're talking speed backs? Unreal.

I'd love to have a time machine and take you back in time to when the Steelers drafted a short **** average QB out of Georgia named Hines Ward, with whom they had planned to make a WR. I'd bet you would all blow your ******* brains out at that one. What a terrible idea! What a waste of a draft pick. Blah blah blah.

The NY Giants wasted a 2nd round pick on a small, fast, RB who contributed to their SB win. Oh, those stupid Giants. What a bunch of ******* idiots.

 

[Badcat]

He out weights Archer by 20 pounds and he played 30 years ago when players were smaller.

Just to add. He was heavier during his career. He was playing at 195+.

No, he didn't. I knew him as a kid. Jeff Hostetler was a friend of the family and I spent some time with Joe, Jeff and Even Phil Simms at his QB camps. The Giants artificially inflated his weight to make him look bigger than he was. Nice try, though.

 

[TMC]

Thats a ******** pick. But whatever. TMC I'm more interested what you think of the Bryant pick. At least his game tape is against bigger colleges. What is your take on that one.

I like it. I thought he would go late 2nd. He had some drops, but I think they were concentration. The WR coach for the Steelers said they would work on concentration and hand placement. Said he needed to learn some of the little tricks of the trade. When asked about his work ethic, he said if he is going to be in this room with us, he is going to work. Asked if Bryant said he was ready to work, coach said they all say they are ready. Coach Mann also stated he had been pounding the table for a bigger WR and Bryant fit the bill, had starting potential, needed a bigger guy to take the place of J-Cotch. Strong side, run blocker. Called him adequate as a blocker, which I agree with....tries, gets in the way, not a brute though. High points passes, gets up over guys, big redzone target. Speed. Nice speed out of breaks for a bigger WR. Lots of raw potential. Lots to like. Has to stop dropping passes and needs to continue to mature. Could be special. Could bust. Risky.....nice value in the 4th though.

 

[Vader]

No, he didn't. I knew him as a kid. Jeff Hostetler was a friend of the family and I spent some time with Joe, Jeff and Even Phil Simms at his QB camps. The Giants artificially inflated his weight to make him look bigger than he was. Nice try, though.

So they listed his weight as 195 to make him "LOOK" bigger? Wow.. nice try, though.

 

[Idioteque]

He is also an inch shorter than Archer, and let's face it, he's going to gain about 10 lbs as he matures. Is a 10 lb difference really that much when we're talking speed backs? Unreal.

Archer is 23 years old. Don't forsee his frame suddenly "maturing" after 23.

It goes beyond height/weight. His frame is tiny. Perhaps that's why he was an oft-injured part-time player at Kent State. His arms are among the shortest in the entire class. His hands are among the smallest in his entire class. Perhaps that's why he fumbled at an unimaginable rate.

I'd love to have a time machine and take you back in time to when the Steelers drafted a short **** average QB out of Georgia named Hines Ward, with whom they had planned to make a WR. I'd bet you would all blow your ******* brains out at that one. What a terrible idea! What a waste of a draft pick. Blah blah blah.

Hines was a QB? Someone should have told him; he might have thrown more than 8 passes over his last two years. He was busy catching 107 passes. He was a WR, not a QB. End of story.

Furthermore.. Hines Ward had NFL size, NFL speed, NFL strength, and extensive WR experience. I'm not sure how 6'0" 195 is on the same level as 5'7 173, but whatevs.

The NY Giants wasted a 2nd round pick on a small, fast, RB who contributed to their SB win. Oh, those stupid Giants. What a bunch of ******* idiots.

I like your posts, but none of this one makes sense.

 

[Badcat]

So they listed his weight as 195 to make him "LOOK" bigger? Wow.. nice try, though.

On paper, dipshit.

 

[TMC]

He is also an inch shorter than Archer, and let's face it, he's going to gain about 10 lbs as he matures. Is a 10 lb difference really that much when we're talking speed backs? Unreal.

I'd love to have a time machine and take you back in time to when the Steelers drafted a short **** average QB out of Georgia named Hines Ward, with whom they had planned to make a WR. I'd bet you would all blow your ******* brains out at that one. What a terrible idea! What a waste of a draft pick. Blah blah blah.

The NY Giants wasted a 2nd round pick on a small, fast, RB who contributed to their SB win. Oh, those stupid Giants. What a bunch of ******* idiots.

Archer won't add 10 pounds. He has added weight over the past couple seasons, was playing at 150. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS. He is now 23, not going to pile on weight now, likely at the end of his growth cycle. He is what he is.

And, if he was an inch shorter and heavier, it means he is packing more bulk on his frame, helps with durability. The issue with smaller (light backs) is they get hit and get broken. They cannot take the pounding.

As for Hines Ward, he was 5115-195 coming out of college. He had played and held up as a RB, QB, and WR. He was not too small. I hate to ******* break it to you, but I was heavy into the draft back then, so Hines is not some anomaly to me.

And, only 1 RB in the last 12 years that weighs under 180 pounds has had ANY kind of impact, and that is Dexter McCluster. He had one good year. ONE. He is now a very average (or below) slot receiver. Woohoooo.......if that is the upside, then whoptee-*******-do.

 

[Vader]

On paper, dipshit.

Yea, cause other NFL players look at the listing of other players to see how big they "look". That's high school football dumb ***. Also it's 5 pounds. You sure he didn't gain 5 pounds over a summer? You sure he was exactly at 190 his entire career? You can tell 5 pounds in a guy that you probably didn't see often? Really? Dipshit indeed.

 

[Badcat]

Archer is 23 years old. Don't forsee his frame suddenly "maturing" after 23.

It goes beyond height/weight. His frame is tiny. Perhaps that's why he was an oft-injured part-time player at Kent State. His arms are among the shortest in the entire class. His hands are among the smallest in his entire class. Perhaps that's why he fumbled at an unimaginable rate.



Hines was a QB? Someone should have told him; he might have thrown more than 8 passes over his last two years. He was busy catching 107 passes. He was a WR, not a QB. End of story.

Furthermore.. Hines Ward had NFL size, NFL speed, NFL strength, and extensive WR experience. I'm not sure how 6'0" 195 is on the same level as 5'7 173, but whatevs.



I like your posts, but none of this one makes sense.

My bad, I thought he was a QB. Perhaps I got him mixed up with ARE?

I wasn't comparing wards size. Just that these guys would have hated the pick. All they do is *****.

 

[Vader]

I love the Ward pick because I thought he be a very good WR at his size and weight. Plus I had seen several of his interviews locally (I lived in Chatt. at the time) and I liked him.

 

[Idioteque]

My bad, I thought he was a QB. Perhaps I got him mixed up with ARE?

I wasn't comparing wards size. Just that these guys would have hated the pick. All they do is *****.

I get your point, but I doubt that. Hines had solid WR size. ARE had prototypical slot receiver size. Nobody Archer's size has been successful in the NFL in decades. Plus he fumbles wayyyy too much and his only real skill, returning kickoffs, is being phased out of the NFL. His issues go way beyond his impossibly small stature.

 

[Badcat]

Yea, cause other NFL players look at the listing of other players to see how big they "look". That's high school football dumb ***. Also it's 5 pounds. You sure he didn't gain 5 pounds over a summer? You sure he was exactly at 190 his entire career? You can tell 5 pounds in a guy that you probably didn't see often? Really? Dipshit indeed.

Yeah, cause 5 lbs makes your argument that much more relevant. Whoooo. 5lbs. OMG.

I'm trying to tell you what I heard from Joe's mouth. HE said it. In the context of the conversation where he was getting ribbed about his size. So, you read on a paper that he's 195 but he's actually smaller. Let's say 185. Now we're arguing over 15lbs. Really.

But hey, who am I to **** all over your negativity about a player you know nothing about. You must be a ******* genius who knows more than the Steeler scouts, Colbert, Tomlin, or any other professional within the organization. I mean, they should ******* calling you and TMC for talent and evaluation advice. Two internet message board experts with all the answers.

 

[Vader]

Yeah, cause 5 lbs makes your argument that much more relevant. Whoooo. 5lbs. OMG.

I'm trying to tell you what I heard from Joe's mouth. HE said it. In the context of the conversation where he was getting ribbed about his size. So, you read on a paper that he's 195 but he's actually smaller. Let's say 185. Now we're arguing over 15lbs. Really.

But hey, who am I to **** all over your negativity about a player you know nothing about. You must be a ******* genius who knows more than the Steeler scouts, Colbert, Tomlin, or any other professional within the organization. I mean, they should ******* calling you and TMC for talent and evaluation advice. Two internet message board experts with all the answers.

If 5 pounds made no difference then why the **** did you scream like a ***** when I said he was listed at 195? Still the point remains that NO 170 RB has done **** in the NFL. But I guess you are a ******* NFL guru and know this one will buck the curve right?

 

[Badcat]

If 5 pounds made no difference then why the **** did you scream like a ***** when I said he was listed at 195? Still the point remains that NO 170 RB has done **** in the NFL. But I guess you are a ******* NFL guru and know this one will buck the curve right?

I'm not saying that at all. You wanted an example of a small back who contributed in the NFL and I gave you one, and you and TMC want to nit pick over 15lbs. I get it, the deck is stacked against him and I too feel that it was a reach in the third round. But you guys pull this bullshit every damn draft and act like you know better than the professional staff who spent countless hours working them out, vetting their backgrounds, interviewing them, and studying hours of tape. But, hey, what do they know?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

DRI is multi talented. Not the sound i would expect from him

 

[Tibs]

Thanks guys, for turning this thread into a doozy. Great late night entertainment.

 

[TMC]

I'm not saying that at all. You wanted an example of a small back who contributed in the NFL and I gave you one, and you and TMC want to nit pick over 15lbs. I get it, the deck is stacked against him and I too feel that it was a reach in the third round. But you guys pull this bullshit every damn draft and act like you know better than the professional staff who spent countless hours working them out, vetting their backgrounds, interviewing them, and studying hours of tape. But, hey, what do they know?

So, you think it was a reach? Yet, you defend the size like it is irrelevant. The funny part, guys like YOU come here every draft and praise every ******* pick like they won't fail and they will instantly make the damn team better, when it is a STATISTICAL FACT that 70% won't see a second damn contract and likely 30% may not even see a second season.

But, **** the history of draft pick failure, every guy drafted by the Steelers is a damn stud and was a perfect pick. For all the **** you ***** about, you do the same thing, just on the other side of the fence.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[diver]

So, you think it was a reach? Yet, you defend the size like it is irrelevant. The funny part, guys like YOU come here every draft and praise every ******* pick like they won't fail and they will instantly make the damn team better, when it is a STATISTICAL FACT that 70% won't see a second damn contract and likely 30% may not even see a second season.

But, **** the history of draft pick failure, every guy drafted by the Steelers is a damn stud and was a perfect pick. For all the **** you ***** about, you do the same thing, just on the other side of the fence.


Pot meet kettle.

If that is a fact, and I don't doubt that it is, why is everybody so worked up about this pick?

 

[Badcat]

So, you think it was a reach? Yet, you defend the size like it is irrelevant. The funny part, guys like YOU come here every draft and praise every ******* pick like they won't fail and they will instantly make the damn team better, when it is a STATISTICAL FACT that 70% won't see a second damn contract and likely 30% may not even see a second season.

But, **** the history of draft pick failure, every guy drafted by the Steelers is a damn stud and was a perfect pick. For all the **** you ***** about, you do the same thing, just on the other side of the fence.

Pot meet kettle.

I don't pretend to be an expert like you and others. I haven't drafted my own guide and put it up for sale, for instance. I'm a fan who just tries to understand my team's draft picks and has faith in their abilities to do their jobs. Sure, I felt it was a reach but what the hell do I know? I hated the Big Ben pick and I was totally wrong about that one. I think the Steelers had a good draft, got some solid picks and we'll see it play out. I'm not touting that the Steelers are Gods, that this was a great draft, or that the Steelers can do no wrong. I'm not the polar opposite of you and the other back slappers who try to be the next Mel Kiper Jr and criticize an organization and ***** about their draft picks. Last year it was Landry Jones, and this year it's Shazier and the 15lb too light running back who won't amount to **** based on past results of other 15lb too light RBs.

The only kettle here is you, and it's dark, empty, and wreaks of ego.

 

[TMC]

If that is a fact, and I don't doubt that it is, why is everybody so worked up about this pick?

Because you would hope that they would spend their draft picks on guys with potential to be in that 30%. Another statistical fact is, only 1 drafted RB weighing under 180 has made it to a 2nd NFL contract (McCluster) and he only had one year where he truly impacted. He has been moved to WR.

So, the long odds are even longer. Why not maximize the chances that they make it? I mean, unless you just want to play the longshot and hope he comes in.

See, I am not about disliking the guy, I am about increasing the odds that the Steelers draft picks are in the 30%, not the 70%. When you buck the statistics and start blindly hoping this guy is the statistical anomaly, then you reduce your opportunities to find guys in that 30%.

In essence, in the deepest draft many can remember, the Steelers used a 3rd round selection on a guy that is the proverbial powerball pick. If you had $5 and needed to eat and spent it on lotto tickets thinking this is the one, I would not agree with it being the right decision either.

 

[TMC]

I don't pretend to be an expert like you and others. I haven't drafted my own guide and put it up for sale, for instance. I'm a fan who just tries to understand my team's draft picks and has faith in their abilities to do their jobs. Sure, I felt it was a reach but what the hell do I know? I hated the Big Ben pick and I was totally wrong about that one. I think the Steelers had a good draft, got some solid picks and we'll see it play out. I'm not touting that the Steelers are Gods, that this was a great draft, or that the Steelers can do no wrong. I'm not the polar opposite of you and the other back slappers who try to be the next Mel Kiper Jr and criticize an organization and ***** about their draft picks. Last year it was Landry Jones, and this year it's Shazier and the 15lb too light running back who won't amount to **** based on past results of other 15lb too light RBs.

The only kettle here is you, and it's dark, empty, and wreaks of ego.

No, you come here intending to be the voice of the Steelers, to protect them as if they are your children. You swallow up everything they state like it is gospel with no opinion of your own. You want to talk down to others and condescend, like you have some high ground because they are balls deep in you and you have some magical insight. Nope, you did not write a draft guide and sell it, you simply had an opinion handed to you and you defend it like you have some insight.

See, you cannot discuss the shortcomings of the prospects because the Steelers do not announce their shortcomings, so you just do not know if they have any. You can talk about Archer's speed, because that is what they talk about. Other than that, you have ****.

And, you don't think you wreak of ego? The only difference is, your ego is wrapped in ignorance of the topic at hand and until the Steelers give you an opinion, you lack the wherewithal to form one. But, keep slurping the jizz.

 

[Badcat]

No, you come here intending to be the voice of the Steelers, to protect them as if they are your children. You swallow up everything they state like it is gospel with no opinion of your own. You want to talk down to others and condescend, like you have some high ground because they are balls deep in you and you have some magical insight. Nope, you did not write a draft guide and sell it, you simply had an opinion handed to you and you defend it like you have some insight.

See, you cannot discuss the shortcomings of the prospects because the Steelers do not announce their shortcomings, so you just do not know if they have any. You can talk about Archer's speed, because that is what they talk about. Other than that, you have ****.

And, you don't think you wreak of ego? The only difference is, your ego is wrapped in ignorance of the topic at hand and until the Steelers give you an opinion, you lack the wherewithal to form one. But, keep slurping the jizz.

I haven't said a thing about Archer other than his size. I don't tout the organization and I certainly don't have my opinion spoon fed to me TMC. I explained my position in my last post but you are too hell bent on proving your worth and stroking your ego that you try to paint me as a cheerleader. My basic point is that you try to pawn yourself off as an authoritative expert. You are no different than Kiper or mayock or any other outsider acting like they're an insider. The fact is, the Steelers should ignore their scouts, strategists, position coaches, head coaches or anyone else who dedicates their lives to evaluating talent and simply come to you and Vader and anyone else who reads a few articles and watches youtube highlight reels set to bad rap music for a ******* evaluation. What is Colbert thinking? Why waste all that time, energy, and money on scouting staff when he can simply register to this forum and get the REAL deal on players for ******* FREE!

The crime isn't that you study film and read up on players as a hobby, but rather that you feel that your knowledge is superior to that of a professional organization and scouts with whom have countless years in this game and are instructed to find talent to fit certain schemes the organization would like to run.

 

[TMC]

I haven't said a thing about Archer other than his size. I don't tout the organization and I certainly don't have my opinion spoon fed to me TMC. I explained my position in my last post but you are too hell bent on proving your worth and stroking your ego that you try to paint me as a cheerleader. My basic point is that you try to pawn yourself off as an authoritative expert. You are no different than Kiper or mayock or any other outsider acting like they're an insider. The fact is, the Steelers should ignore their scouts, strategists, position coaches, head coaches or anyone else who dedicates their lives to evaluating talent and simply come to you and Vader and anyone else who reads a few articles and watches youtube highlight reels set to bad rap music for a ******* evaluation. What is Colbert thinking? Why waste all that time, energy, and money on scouting staff when he can simply register to this forum and get the REAL deal on players for ******* FREE!

The crime isn't that you study film and read up on players as a hobby, but rather that you feel that your knowledge is superior to that of a professional organization and scouts with whom have countless years in this game and are instructed to find talent to fit certain schemes the organization would like to run.

No, you come bouncing into a thread where this has been discussed ad nauseam and throw out a players name that played almost 20 years ago and was roughly 20 pounds heavier as an example of why this works today. ******* brilliant. Then, when you get called on it, you go into the front office are professionals and ensure you point out everyone else is not. Why? Because your initial point blew ******* chunks and that is all you had. So, you are forced to pick up the pompoms and start shaking them to distract from the original point, because you failed to waive off the size issue.

No one has ever said the Steelers should ignore their scouts, but YOU are attempting to state that opinions that do not support it are lesser, on a ******* message board made up by the opinions of fans.

I NEVER stated my knowledge was superior to the Steelers, ever, even stated various times for those that do not drool on their keyboard and can read that my opinion carries no more weight than any other member of this message board. But, does that matter? **** no, you cannot drive a salient point home about the size of Archer so you have to deviate, throw up a shiny ball and say look at this because I really cannot handle the debate at hand. You reiterate the Steelers points, speed, speed, speed. Hell, I can read that too. Why come here? Stay at Steelers.com and get your happy-happy, greatest player, speed, speed thrills.

Nah, not good enough, you feel the need to drift over and attempt to set everyone straight about the drafting prowess and how everyone should just shut the **** up and take the Steelers opinions over any other opinion. I wonder if you do that with your government officials, because guess ******* what, they are professionals and you are not. ******* der.......

I am done with this ****. Same arguments with Rainey. Heard all this **** before. Keep eating the grass, they will be along to herd you back in soon.

 

[Franco]

..Meggett was a mediocre RB who gained a whopping 1,600 yards rushing in his ten year career with a career high of 329 yards. Only over 200 yards in 2 other season and he was drafted 25 years ago. He was short and powerfully built not the scarecrow we wasted our 3rd round pick on.






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[deljzc]

I think my opinion is better than the Steelers.

I've been tracking my drafts vs. the Steelers since 2007 and my guys have accumulated more starts and more AV (per PFR) than the Steelers have. I also currently have more guys still in the league.

I think front offices in the NFL are filled with underqualified people that know people to get their foot in the door. It's a good old boys network of friends of friends and fathers and sons. It's a ******* joke. Scouts are still scouting like they did 40 years ago, like there is some magic to be gained by driving 100,000 miles a year on your car and talking with coaches that are just trying to promote their programs (and again, it's friends of friends).

Scouts time would be much better spend watching film than behind the wheel of a ******* car or in a run down hotel room. You want to find dirt out, hire professional shrinks with PHD's that actually study human behavior for a living. We expect ex-jocks to watch film AND be psychologists on the player profiles. Did you read the scouting report on Manziel that got leaked by New England? Half of it wasn't about his tape at all. Half of his grade came from off-field stuff anyone could find out on the internet.

The problem with today's scouting and evaluation is this attachment to some by-gone era. The technological revolution should have changed the way we evaluate players a decade ago. You should have guys scouting positions, NOT regions. Because I would suspect, if you looked back in the Steelers records, there is one scout that consistently scouts O-lineman better than someone else. But because they are in a different region, you never get their input. That makes NO SENSE.

Christ, scouts still hold stop watches!!! What year is this again? 1973?