$11 mill for a WR who can block?

[Greg Lloyd]

I think they knew chucs was not going to be a part of the 2024 Steelers so they cut him early.
Robinson is probs going to negotiate a different contract or be cut. no hurry with this. he has been on the Steelers less than a year so do not know how he a "buddie" with players and coach.

Rookies become "buddies" with Shades, so it doesn't take that long.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

Chuck Noll was not "buddies" with them...whatever the hell that means, but he was loyal. A reason, not the only reason, but a reason the Steelers of the '80s struggled was because Noll had a hard time letting some of the players he had so much success with go. An example of that was in '79 they drafted a defensive lineman by the name of Dwaine Board in the 5th round, who ended up having 61 sacks over his career and was a part of 3 Super Bowl championship teams with the 49ers. But due to his loyalty to guys who had won for him, he let Dwaine Board go. Who can blame him? With what those guys achieved, they had a right to go out on their terms. But know what the hell you are talking about before you spout off.

I can "spout off" on whatever I choose and Noll was not all "warm and fuzzy" with players. Just ask Terry Bradshaw about that.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

Also, besides the drug rumors, loyalty to Bradshaw may have been a factor in not drafting Dan Marino in '83.

'83? The year Terry's arm fell off of his body? I think Terry had 77 yards that year. HE HAD BEEN IN THE LEAGUE FOR 13 YEARS, and that was before Brady played until 43-years-old.

 

[Steelr4evr]

'83? The year Terry's arm fell off of his body? I think Terry had 77 yards that year. HE HAD BEEN IN THE LEAGUE FOR 13 YEARS, and that was before Brady played until 43-years-old.

Brady had the luxury of rules that protect the qb like the secret service protects the president. Plus extra special Brady rules .
There's no possible way he accomplishes even a fraction of that under the former rules of engagement.

I hoped every week someone would just blindside clean his clock one time. Never happened. And they cheated us. *******...haha


Bradshaw got brutalized by **** that would probably get you arrested and expelled from the league now.I'm shocked he made it 13 years. What a tough sob.

Noll wasn't really buddies with anyone,but he definitely loved those guys. Winning 4 superbowls in 6 years and knocking on the door for 10 will get you that.

The team now can't even win a playoff game.

 

[F83]

rework him, it seems after a few of Pickens sideline meltdowns, Robinson had him working out with him and must of said some things about controlling emotions on the sidelines.
We need
Robinson, Cam, TJ, and Minkah reworked to have a shot at going after a tier 1 CB and possibly be able to bid vs Dallas for Tyler Biades

 

[BLITZ]

Rookies become "buddies" with Shades, so it doesn't take that long.

How do you know these things? are you part of the day to day dealings? are you a coach? how do you come to the conclusion that they are buddies?

 

[xjx]

All managers have favorites. Tomlin is no different.

 

[diver]

I can "spout off" on whatever I choose and Noll was not all "warm and fuzzy" with players. Just ask Terry Bradshaw about that.

You can, but it ought to make sense. What are you mad at? Are you mad that Tomlin is "buddies" with them or that they may keep guys too long? My point with Noll was you can keep guys too long for other reasons besides being "buddies" with them and Noll did that. You advanced the notion that Chuck Noll didn't make roster decisions based on feelings of some kind for the players and that is very likely wrong.

 

[diver]

'83? The year Terry's arm fell off of his body? I think Terry had 77 yards that year. HE HAD BEEN IN THE LEAGUE FOR 13 YEARS, and that was before Brady played until 43-years-old.

In April of '83...when the draft is...as far as Noll knew Bradshaw was fine and had expressed a desire to play more years, and as we all know, Bradshaw was a bit sensitive. Bradshaw had a really good year in the strike shortened year of '82. It was a typical Bradshaw year, he had some really outstanding games and a few stinkers for sure, but that was Bradshaw. And when he was on that year I would argue he was the best QB in the NFL. So that was Noll's mindset when April of '83 rolled around. I've heard Bradshaw say he started to have problems with the elbow in '82, but other places he has said he hurt it getting ready for the '83 season. Who really knows with Bradshaw?

 

[diver]

In the playoff game against San Diego in '82, for a stretch of that game Bradshaw as good as it gets. He had hit something like 15 passes in a row, just dropping great throws in all over. If you are the coach heading into '83 you gotta believe QB is one of the least of your problems.

I remember that '82 game against San Diego like it was yesterday. I was in high school and we still didn't have color TV...in '82! No cable either for that matter. My Dad was kind of a curmudgeon about that. So I ran over to my grandparents house to watch it. Mel Blount picked off Fouts in the endzone late in the game that would have ended it for all intents and purposes, but they called Ham for holding. They never showed Ham on replay so you don't know if it was bs or not, but it was way away from the play. Fouts never even looked that way. I'm still pissed at that one. It could have been an interesting rest of the playoffs if the Steelers win that there. Maybe another Super Bowl? The Dolphins were running David Woodley out there, and they made the Super Bowl. Who knows?

 

[jitter77]

They have choices at WR so Im sure they are taking extra time there. Whatever they do w/ DJ is probably going to effect what happens w/ AR. Do you trade DJ, dump AR, and create another huge hole? etc etc....Its hard to judge any of our WRs based on last years offensive performance. I would definitely keep DJ, try to restructure AR, and draft a big bodied WR in like the mid rounds. I would not use either of our first 2 picks on WR.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Brady had the luxury of rules that protect the qb like the secret service protects the president. Plus extra special Brady rules .
There's no possible way he accomplishes even a fraction of that under the former rules of engagement.

I hoped every week someone would just blindside clean his clock one time. Never happened. And they cheated us. *******...haha


Bradshaw got brutalized by **** that would probably get you arrested and expelled from the league now.I'm shocked he made it 13 years. What a tough sob.

Noll wasn't really buddies with anyone,but he definitely loved those guys. Winning 4 superbowls in 6 years and knocking on the door for 10 will get you that.

The team now can't even win a playoff game.

GREAT post Steelr4evr, and thanks for all your great ones along the way.


Just to add to the cheating ****-ers’ legacy…….

It’s highly doubtful he was “officially“ tested for any type of illegal substances. I know I can’t prove either yes or no on this, but I can say it was never publicized if it happened

whereas I can definitely state

Our lowly place kicker kicked 6 FGs in one game and was met by the testing agent as he exited the team plane upon return…………. Never tested positive, but was tested and the public knew it.


T*mmyb*y and Terry Bradshaw are not even in the same category, Bradshaw was honestly better.



Salute the nation

 

[madinsomniac]

This is partially why they will stay mediocre if this is the approach they take.

You have QB, CB,C, and RT that needs upgrading. You have to upgrade at least 3 out of the 4 to put your team in a position to be anything notable. If not all 4. You don't achieve that with a bandaid approach. Perhaps the draft can solve 2 out of the 4 problems. They need to be aggressive and solve 2 of the problems early with clear upgrades. I think the OP wants a sense of urgency as a result.

I have to say I want that as well. The team knows they need to get better and aren't anywhere close where they need to be. No better time than the present to start chipping away at the rock.

Meh top end free agency really is typically a bad plan to fix things. Players are overpriced... moreover you never know how tge player will translate to your team..

You also have the problems of degrading play and guys who quit trying after getting paid

You dont really win that way...

Teams dont need high end players at every position. They need some stars and playmakers surrounded by solid guys that fit tge schemes and systems well.

We would be far better off if a guy like Dylan cook turns out to be a solid RT or Spenser Anderson can hold down RT or C..

I think if the steelers skimp on a bunch of positions they could maybe afford a 12 or even a
18-20 million dollar guy... but the top end ufa guys are going to be pulling around 30 mil plus per year... they already have a couple of those guys... they dont need to tie up that kind of cap on a team that isnt a surefire contender


As for DJ, i shop him. If a team offers a low first or more realistically, a high second plus... which is about the price for a guy like him, i do it and bring in a younger version of him with the pick...

its not like young wrs take three years to contribute anymore... and with him heading into his last year under contract and a new OC being here, its the perfect breaking point.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

In April of '83...when the draft is...as far as Noll knew Bradshaw was fine and had expressed a desire to play more years, and as we all know, Bradshaw was a bit sensitive. Bradshaw had a really good year in the strike shortened year of '82. It was a typical Bradshaw year, he had some really outstanding games and a few stinkers for sure, but that was Bradshaw. And when he was on that year I would argue he was the best QB in the NFL. So that was Noll's mindset when April of '83 rolled around. I've heard Bradshaw say he started to have problems with the elbow in '82, but other places he has said he hurt it getting ready for the '83 season. Who really knows with Bradshaw?

Terry was 14th in yards in '82, a strike-shortened season. But plenty of QBs could be considered as good/better than he was. Some guys like Dan Fouts. Joe Montana, Kenny Anderson, Danny White, Ron Jaworski, Jim Plunkett and Joe Theismann were in the mix. I think more of a reason they didn't draft Marino had to do with the fact that they used a 1st-round pick on Mark Malone in 1980.
There was nothing to indicate Malone wasn't going to be a stellar QB by the '83 draft. Of course, he wasn't, but they couldn't have known by then without any game play to evaluate him on. Malone was the "ultimate athlete" coming out in 1980.

And as you mentioned, "Who really knew with Bradshaw?" with his injury.

 

[madinsomniac]

GREAT post Steelr4evr, and thanks for all your great ones along the way.


Just to add to the cheating ****-ers’ legacy…….

It’s highly doubtful he was “officially“ tested for any type of illegal substances. I know I can’t prove either yes or no on this, but I can say it was never publicized if it happened

whereas I can definitely state

Our lowly place kicker kicked 6 FGs in one game and was met by the testing agent as he exited the team plane upon return…………. Never tested positive, but was tested and the public knew it.


T*mmyb*y and Terry Bradshaw are not even in the same category, Bradshaw was honestly better.



Salute the nation

Could you imagine Bwady playing in any era before the one he did?
He would have cried himself out of the league

 

[Greg Lloyd]

As for DJ, i shop him. If a team offers a low first or more realistically, a high second plus... which is about the price for a guy like him, i do it and bring in a younger version of him with the pick...

He has so many strikes against him, that his positives don't do enough to offset them: drops (he still has them, although less than his worst year), pansy play with running backward after almost every catch, usually losing yards, and - perhaps the worst trait - a negative, selfish, immature overall attitude. And now he's come out and "announced" he is gonna be a baby, complaining malcontent this offseason, just what we need. His attitude could be partly to blame for Pickens' 'tude. We don't need that BS. Ship him out. If we can get a 2nd-round for him? It's a no brainer.

 

[SteelerFan448]

As for DJ, i shop him. If a team offers a low first or more realistically, a high second plus... which is about the price for a guy like him, i do it and bring in a younger version of him with the pick...

its not like young wrs take three years to contribute anymore... and with him heading into his last year under contract and a new OC being here, its the perfect breaking point.

I would shop him as well, but with a deep WR draft, do you think he could get that type of return? I suppose maybe for a good team that feels like they're a WR2 away from being a strong contender.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

In the playoff game against San Diego in '82, for a stretch of that game Bradshaw as good as it gets. He had hit something like 15 passes in a row, just dropping great throws in all over. If you are the coach heading into '83 you gotta believe QB is one of the least of your problems.

I remember that '82 game against San Diego like it was yesterday. I was in high school and we still didn't have color TV...in '82! No cable either for that matter. My Dad was kind of a curmudgeon about that. So I ran over to my grandparents house to watch it. Mel Blount picked off Fouts in the endzone late in the game that would have ended it for all intents and purposes, but they called Ham for holding. They never showed Ham on replay so you don't know if it was bs or not, but it was way away from the play. Fouts never even looked that way. I'm still pissed at that one. It could have been an interesting rest of the playoffs if the Steelers win that there. Maybe another Super Bowl? The Dolphins were running David Woodley out there, and they made the Super Bowl. Who knows?

I also remember that game. And the comments afterwards, including Bradshaw's. (We did have a color TV, but no cable, not even close. We got about 5 1/2 channels, 53 when we moved the antenna on the roof with a remote control we had inside.) TB said SD was sure impressie with their offense, and OL of all 300 LB linemen. And the way Fouts could find all of their impressive WRs, but cautioned them not "going all the way" because of their weak D.

 

[Steelr4evr]

GREAT post Steelr4evr, and thanks for all your great ones along the way.


Just to add to the cheating ****-ers’ legacy…….

It’s highly doubtful he was “officially“ tested for any type of illegal substances. I know I can’t prove either yes or no on this, but I can say it was never publicized if it happened

whereas I can definitely state

Our lowly place kicker kicked 6 FGs in one game and was met by the testing agent as he exited the team plane upon return…………. Never tested positive, but was tested and the public knew it.


T*mmyb*y and Terry Bradshaw are not even in the same category, Bradshaw was honestly better.



Salute the nation

Oh and add in no radios in the helmets on offense or defense, plus he called his own plays.

Brady isn't **** without A LOT of help. The same with Billiecheat,ernie adams and their massive catalog of intelligence.

 

[topseed]

Mel Blount picked off Fouts in the endzone late in the game that would have ended it for all intents and purposes, but they called Ham for holding. They never showed Ham on replay so you don't know if it was bs or not, but it was way away from the play. Fouts never even looked that way. I'm still pissed at that one. It could have been an interesting rest of the playoffs if the Steelers win that there. Maybe another Super Bowl? The Dolphins were running David Woodley out there, and they made the Super Bowl. Who knows?

You're still pissed about a game played over forty years ago? Wow.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Oh and add in no radios in the helmets on offense or defense, plus he called his own plays.

Brady isn't **** without A LOT of help. The same with Billiecheat,ernie adams and their massive catalog of intelligence.

Brady did benefit from rules that make it a lot easier for a QB, but man, he was so good compared to most of his peers and something as simple as this highlights many of the criticisms I see on this board of certain QBs in the league

https://twitter.com/search?q=tom%20brady%20modern%20quarterbacks&src=typed_query&f=top

 

[madinsomniac]

I would shop him as well, but with a deep WR draft, do you think he could get that type of return? I suppose maybe for a good team that feels like they're a WR2 away from being a strong contender.

Yep see DJ may be mostly irrationally hated here, but when he is engaged his route running is probably best in the league.. and technical offensive scheme coaches value that over size or speed or anything really. He has focus issues for sure, but every single coach always believes they can rectify those...

A rookie wr can absolutely contribute, but they arent as valuable to a technical scheme as a vet that knows the ins and outs already... so to a team that is contending and needs a relatively reasonable Wr contract he would be it.. if you trade him before his roster bonus hits, he only costs his new team 10 million bucks... afterwards it 7 million

You absolutely arent getting that quality of wr for that price cheaply at all

 

[diver]

You're still pissed about a game played over forty years ago? Wow.

Exaggerating to clarify.

 

[diver]

Terry was 14th in yards in '82, a strike-shortened season. But plenty of QBs could be considered as good/better than he was. Some guys like Dan Fouts. Joe Montana, Kenny Anderson, Danny White, Ron Jaworski, Jim Plunkett and Joe Theismann were in the mix. I think more of a reason they didn't draft Marino had to do with the fact that they used a 1st-round pick on Mark Malone in 1980.
There was nothing to indicate Malone wasn't going to be a stellar QB by the '83 draft. Of course, he wasn't, but they couldn't have known by then without any game play to evaluate him on. Malone was the "ultimate athlete" coming out in 1980.

And as you mentioned, "Who really knew with Bradshaw?" with his injury.

I don't know about Malone. He hurt his knee and missed all of '82...I think. So he was certainly an injury question mark at the time of the '83 draft. The biggest reason they passed on Marino was said to be the rumors of his drug use. I have also heard that Bradshaw's feelings could have played a part as well. It is all speculation, really.

 

[Drink IRON City]

In April of '83...when the draft is...as far as Noll knew Bradshaw was fine and had expressed a desire to play more years, and as we all know, Bradshaw was a bit sensitive. Bradshaw had a really good year in the strike shortened year of '82. It was a typical Bradshaw year, he had some really outstanding games and a few stinkers for sure, but that was Bradshaw. And when he was on that year I would argue he was the best QB in the NFL. So that was Noll's mindset when April of '83 rolled around. I've heard Bradshaw say he started to have problems with the elbow in '82, but other places he has said he hurt it getting ready for the '83 season. Who really knows with Bradshaw?

In the playoff game against San Diego in '82, for a stretch of that game Bradshaw as good as it gets. He had hit something like 15 passes in a row, just dropping great throws in all over. If you are the coach heading into '83 you gotta believe QB is one of the least of your problems.

I remember that '82 game against San Diego like it was yesterday. I was in high school and we still didn't have color TV...in '82! No cable either for that matter. My Dad was kind of a curmudgeon about that. So I ran over to my grandparents house to watch it. Mel Blount picked off Fouts in the endzone late in the game that would have ended it for all intents and purposes, but they called Ham for holding. They never showed Ham on replay so you don't know if it was bs or not, but it was way away from the play. Fouts never even looked that way. I'm still pissed at that one. It could have been an interesting rest of the playoffs if the Steelers win that there. Maybe another Super Bowl? The Dolphins were running David Woodley out there, and they made the Super Bowl. Who knows?

EXCELLENT Post(s) diver, way to bring history back to life. Thanks for all the great post(s) along the way.

Everybody want to talk about how bad the 80’s were, look at this current regime (coaching) and what have they done in the last 10 years……. Diddleysqwaut

Noll put this franchise on the map, Tomlin has taken it off.


Salute the nation