2015 DeAngelo Williams vs 2017 Bell

[Steeler Pride]

I know QBs make more not my point? Yall are criticizing Bell for asking for as much as he can.. when over the course of career he has earned 16 million and some change. Ben is at the end of his career and has earned over 170 million. How much more does he need? Its very easy for yall to say Bell needs to take less so we can sign some defensive guys. But Ben on this next contract cant take less so to help sign Bell..

Bell earned 12.1 mil. last year. The previous 4 years he was under his rookie contract which is regulated by the CBA and the NFLPA. If his salary continues to increase he will earn far more in 14 years than what Ben has. Ben averaged 11.9 mi. per year over the course of his career. Ben should give up money so that Bell can earn almost double as the next highest RB in the league? RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL, especially in the new air it out NFL. We have won without Bell before and will win without Bell in the future.

 

[TDX27]

Doesn't matter. The Steelers will franchise Bell by the end of the day today. Let's hope the plan this year is 40+ per game because we will need it most weeks.

 

[ark steel]

With the way the NFL is geared toward passing and the college teams all running spread offenses it's easier now than ever to get RBs to step right in and produce. Hunt, Fornette, Kamura, Gurley, Elliot, etc, etc. The Eagles 3rd down RB Clemens was undrafted I believe.


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I'd like to see Kamara and Hunt do it for more than one season, unless you are just going to switch out the RB every season. Gurley was the 10th overall pick. Elliot was the 4th overall pick (and was suspended for 6 games in his second year). We don't pick that high and none of us would want a RB that high, anyway.

For Elliot's second season, due to suspension his attempts declined by 25%. His YPC by 1 ypc, and his Rushing TD's by 1/2 over his first season.

 

[Hines57]

Doesn't matter. The Steelers will franchise Bell by the end of the day today. Let's hope the plan this year is 40+ per game because we will need it most weeks.

Today isn't the deadline to franchise. Doubt anything happens today. They want to negotiate a deal. If they can't get one done that's when they will drop the tag on him.

 

[Coryea]

I'd like to see Kamara and Hunt do it for more than one season, unless you are just going to switch out the RB every season. Gurley was the 10th overall pick. Elliot was the 4th overall pick (and was suspended for 6 games in his second year). We don't pick that high and none of us would want a RB that high, anyway.

For Elliot's second season, due to suspension his attempts declined by 25%. His YPC by 1 ypc, and his Rushing TD's by 1/2 over his first season.

So would I, my point is guys have been able to play at RB right away lately, are they as good as Bell? Hell no!!!! Is Bell that much better than everyone else that he's worth twice what the 2nd RB is making? Hell no!!!

What would everyone be saying if AB was asking for a contract in the ballpark of 30 million per?

That's the point everyone is missing, it's not that everyone doesn't want Bell, but not at that ridiculous asking price.

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[nitsuj1225]

Beginning of the season it was "he needs to show he can stay healthy the whole year AND not get suspended". He did both.

That was also before our best defensive player went down and may not ever be back leaving at least 4 gaping holes on D...OLB, 2 ILB and S. The offense can be as stacked as possible but it won't matter if the D can't even stop Blake Bortles or keep teams from gaining 5+ yards a pop every run play.

IMO, Bell is expensive because he "does it all"...runs well and catches passes out of the backfield and does both combined better than any one RB today. But Philly, Saints, Jags, Vikings, Panthers all were top 5 in the league in rushing and did it with 1-2 combos at RB (we were 20th btw). A grinder who gets the tough yards and a WR-type catching passes out of the backfield is what the top rushing teams have and all those teams made the playoffs with 1 beating us twice and the other winning the SB.

So is it necessary to pay the guy's ransom who does it all or find 2 guys for half the price of 1 and improve the D at the same time and get back similar rushing production, if not better than 20th in the league? IMO, I'd rather have the latter.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Bell earned 12.1 mil. last year. The previous 4 years he was under his rookie contract which is regulated by the CBA and the NFLPA. If his salary continues to increase he will earn far more in 14 years than what Ben has. Ben averaged 11.9 mi. per year over the course of his career. Ben should give up money so that Bell can earn almost double as the next highest RB in the league? RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL, especially in the new air it out NFL. We have won without Bell before and will win without Bell in the future.

Exactly if Bell should be all about the team why shouldnt Ben. His taking less would help sign Bell as well as sone guys on defense. Or should Bell only make that sacrifice?

 

[Coryea]

That was also before our best defensive player went down and may not ever be back leaving at least 4 gaping holes on D...OLB, 2 ILB and S. The offense can be as stacked as possible but it won't matter if the D can't even stop Blake Bortles or keep teams from gaining 5+ yards a pop every run play.

IMO, Bell is expensive because he "does it all"...runs well and catches passes out of the backfield and does both combined better than any one RB today. But Philly, Saints, Jags, Vikings, Panthers all were top 5 in the league in rushing and did it with 1-2 combos at RB (we were 20th btw). A grinder who gets the tough yards and a WR-type catching passes out of the backfield is what the top rushing teams have and all those teams made the playoffs with 1 beating us twice and the other winning the SB.

So is it necessary to pay the guy's ransom who does it all or find 2 guys for half the price of 1 and improve the D at the same time and get back similar rushing production, if not better than 20th in the league? IMO, I'd rather have the latter.

I couldn't agree more, well put.



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[ark steel]

So would I, my point is guys have been able to play at RB right away lately, are they as good as Bell? Hell no!!!! Is Bell that much better than everyone else that he's worth twice what the 2nd RB is making? Hell no!!!

What would everyone be saying if AB was asking for a contract in the ballpark of 30 million per?

That's the point everyone is missing, it's not that everyone doesn't want Bell, but not at that ridiculous asking price.

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No one is missing any point. We ALL know that

The bogus crap about anyone can step in and do the same is ludicrous. 3 of those you mentioned were top 10 picks. 2 were round 3 and one undrafted, but only have 1 year to look at and not nearly as many touches. Can those backs hold up? you might end up with Cook's 2 TD's or McCaffrey's 8, but you end up with lower yards per touch. or you end up with Foreman who couldnt even hold up for 85 touches (non-contact injury). or Joe Mixon's 4 TD's and 3 fumbles in 178 touches.

To have taken Hunt or Kamara, we would have had to do so in the 2nd and not have JuJu.

 

[TDX27]

Today isn't the deadline to franchise. Doubt anything happens today. They want to negotiate a deal. If they can't get one done that's when they will drop the tag on him.

Not the official deadline but the day tagging can begin and the "unofficial" Bell said he and the Steelers set for contract talks. Of course, you really can't trust anything Bell says.

 

[Coryea]

No one is missing any point. We ALL know that

The bogus crap about anyone can step in and do the same is ludicrous. 3 of those you mentioned were top 10 picks. 2 were round 3 and one undrafted, but only have 1 year to look at and not nearly as many touches. Can those backs hold up? you might end up with Cook's 2 TD's or McCaffrey's 8, but you end up with lower yards per touch. or you end up with Foreman who couldnt even hold up for 85 touches (non-contact injury). or Joe Mixon's 4 TD's and 3 fumbles in 178 touches.

To have taken Hunt or Kamara, we would have had to do so in the 2nd and not have JuJu.

Not saying they can do the same, but they can do good enough is the point. We won two Super Bowls with an undrafted RB as our starter

We were what #20 in rushing with Bell? The guy that wants this giant contract.



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[ark steel]

Not saying they can do the same, but they can do good enough is the point. We won two Super Bowls with an undrafted RB as our starter

We were what #20 in rushing with Bell? The guy that wants this giant contract.

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If you want to negate that this guy also was 10th in # of receptions, sure. That is he had more receptions than, ~21 other teams starting WR/TE. (Kamara was 13th with better average and more TD's, but again, one season)

 

[Drink IRON City]

I know that it is a risk with any player in the NFL but bell has had so many touches, run the wheels off touches, that I'm concerned as to his durability after these next two years. Will probably be ok this year and more so + or - next year but then LOOK out as something is going to catch up sooner than later. With past leg injuries he isn't going to get any faster and the game is all about speed. He is a great running back but for how long, that is the question the front office has to answer. 1 year, 2 year, 3 year........5 year and at what value. Do I want him on the team, I'd be a fool to not want him but the real question is at what cost. Time will tell




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[Coryea]

If you want to negate that this guy also was 10th in # of receptions, sure. That is he had more receptions than, ~21 other teams starting WR/TE. (Kamara was 13th with better average and more TD's, but again, one season)

I'm not negating anything, I said he's the best RB in the league and if you take the money out of it, hell yes I'd keep him.
The fact is he turned down a long term deal last season that would pay him almost double per year what the 2nd highest back gets, and his guaranteed money he turned down was the amount of Freeman's entire 5 year contract.

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[ark steel]

I'm not negating anything, I said he's the best RB in the league and if you take the money out of it, hell yes I'd keep him.
The fact is he turned down a long term deal last season that would pay him almost double per year what the 2nd highest back gets, and his guaranteed money he turned down was the amount of Freeman's entire 5 year contract.

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If you knew your employer had to pay you $12m this year and as much as $14m next year if they wanted to keep you or your employer pays you $12m this year and will let you find someone to pay you $X which based solely on your own performance might be more than $14m next year (including guaranteed money and annual salary) would you sign a contract for more than 2 years if the guarantee was between $26m and $30m?

Of course, you wouldn't. you are, notwithstanding injury, virtually guaranteed more without signing the contract. The other two main factors are completely under your control. Can you perform. He did. Can you stay clean. He did.

 

[Coryea]

Then he has zero to ***** about when it comes to the tag. He can rap about 15-17 million, but that doesn't mean he's worth that.

He he didn't perform well enough to make what he wants. His yards per touch went down both running and catching. He has to have ridiculous stats to ask for 15 per

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[ark steel]

Then he has zero to ***** about when it comes to the tag. He can rap about 15-17 million, but that doesn't mean he's worth that.

He he didn't perform well enough to make what he wants. His yards per touch went down both running and catching. He has to have ridiculous stats to ask for 15 per

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So, you see now why you can't project someone going from <250 touches to going over 320 touches to estimate the results, then?

 

[slashsteel]

They have until March 6th to tag him... I still think this plays out that both sides come to an agreement. They tend to backload the contracts perhaps it doesn't initially impact the Steelers as much as some think.And by the time it does RB salaries have caught up to Bell's salary. Some marqee names coming up that might be paying attention...

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[Ike Kelly]

Please trade Bell for value now. He will be a cap killer, and frankly isn't nearly as good as he thinks he is.

For the up-tenth time....you can’t trade Bell. He is NOT UNDER CONTRACT. How many times do you have to be told this?

If he is given the Tag, he will probably won’t sign it until the week before the regular season starts, or either he won’t get the tag and a long term deal is agreed to and signed.

Oh and he definitely is as good he thinks he is. A generational player. His monetary value, however, isn’t as what he think it is in the current CBA economics.

Again....try memorization with this......you CANNOT TRADE A PLAYER NOT UNDER CONTRACT.


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[SteelerFan448]

That's just dumb, Bell is asking for twice as much as the second highest paid RB in the NFL, so Ben should leave money on the table????
This place would go insane if Ben just asked for 50% more than the second highest paid QB. Bell wants double the next RB, no player at any position is worth twice as much as the 2nd highest paid at his position.

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Bell's contract demands don't match his production. It's not quite as simple as I'm gonna make it, but he isn't twice as good as the next highest paid guy in the league and shouldn't get paid twice as much. I am fine with him setting the market, but just not at his price. The Steelers could free up the cap space and do a lot more with that money--including signing a solid running back--than just signing Bell.

 

[Drink IRON City]

They have until March 6th to tag him... I still think this plays out that both sides come to an agreement. They tend to backload the contracts perhaps it doesn't initially impact the Steelers as much as some think.And by the time it does RB salaries have caught up to Bell's salary. Some marqee names coming up that might be paying attention...

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You may be right but I don't see RB salaries doubling in the next 2-3years. That is a lot of money tied up in a RB. Stranger things have happened and yes, March 6th is coming. I think if a contract is worked it will not be signed till last minute for BELL's drama effect as there has to be a rap song in there somewhere............


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[Coach]

For the up-tenth time....you can’t trade Bell. He is NOT UNDER CONTRACT. How many times do you have to be told this?

If he is given the Tag, he will probably won’t sign it until the week before the regular season starts, or either he won’t get the tag and a long term deal is agreed to and signed.

Oh and he definitely is as good he thinks he is. A generational player. His monetary value, however, isn’t as what he think it is in the current CBA economics.

Again....try memorization with this......you CANNOT TRADE A PLAYER NOT UNDER CONTRACT.


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Think outside the box. SIGN AND TRADE.

I think Bell is overrated, but let's say your correct? Who wouldn't offer two first round picks for " Generational Player "?

Like I said before, I'd trade him for Barkley if he's on the board, or the highest offer. A 1st, 2rd and 6th for Bell, okay with me as long as its in the upper portion of the round.

For example, let's say Tampa Bay ( who really needs a back now that Martin is gone ) take this deal. They have the 7th overall pick.

Our draft could look like this:

1 ) Safety, Fitzpatrick.
1b (our pick) Inside linebacker Evans
2A ) Running back Chubb or Johnson
2B ( Our pick ) DT/N Phillips
3 ) Tight End Gesicki

Then in free agency, we can use the 12 million in savings to sign one top player or two very good ones:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...ion-franchise-tags/13miy0x4fy0x51g9luduz20sgp

 

[Hines57]

Madden GM at it again

 

[Ike Kelly]

Think outside the box. SIGN AND TRADE.

I think Bell is overrated, but let's say your correct? Who wouldn't offer two first round picks for " Generational Player "?

Like I said before, I'd trade him for Barkley if he's on the board, or the highest offer. A 1st, 2rd and 6th for Bell, okay with me as long as its in the upper portion of the round.

For example, let's say Tampa Bay ( who really needs a back now that Martin is gone ) take this deal. They have the 7th overall pick.

Our draft could look like this:

1 ) Safety, Fitzpatrick.
1b (our pick) Inside linebacker Evans
2A ) Running back Chubb or Johnson
2B ( Our pick ) DT/N Phillips
3 ) Tight End Gesicki

Then in free agency, we can use the 12 million in savings to sign one top player or two very good ones:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...ion-franchise-tags/13miy0x4fy0x51g9luduz20sgp

AGAIN.....Bell will not accept a franchise tag until just before the regular season begins. He’s already proven he is productive without a training camp or pre-season. If tagged he won’t sign anything (unless there is a contract agreement pending with the Steelers) until after the draft.

So there is no draft pick(s) this year. No #7 pick in your scenario. Nor the asinine Picking Fitzpatrick before Roquan Smith the top ILB in the draft, when there aren’t many.

Thinking outside the box isn’t natural for you. Be careful, you might strain yourself.

Madden GM at it again

You think so? Coach postulates his theories via Madden? Which version does everyone think it is?


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[SteelerInLebanon]

Think outside the box. SIGN AND TRADE.

I think Bell is overrated, but let's say your correct? Who wouldn't offer two first round picks for " Generational Player "?

Like I said before, I'd trade him for Barkley if he's on the board, or the highest offer. A 1st, 2rd and 6th for Bell, okay with me as long as its in the upper portion of the round.

For example, let's say Tampa Bay ( who really needs a back now that Martin is gone ) take this deal. They have the 7th overall pick.

Our draft could look like this:

1 ) Safety, Fitzpatrick.
1b (our pick) Inside linebacker Evans
2A ) Running back Chubb or Johnson
2B ( Our pick ) DT/N Phillips
3 ) Tight End Gesicki

Then in free agency, we can use the 12 million in savings to sign one top player or two very good ones:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...ion-franchise-tags/13miy0x4fy0x51g9luduz20sgp

This is not the NBA if they sign him to a long term deal and then trade him they eat any bonus money in the contract making it financially impossible to do this unless it is all base salary which I doubt he would accept unless you gauruntee it all which no team in their right mind would do.