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4th and 1. Tomlin opts to punt.

Either way, his football posts--as limited as they may be to start--end up getting trolled for no reason.
no, they are trolled for good reason. He's an asshat thats been here too long, much like Tomlin. The agenda slash speaks of, is real. Hes not here to talk football, only how he can be right. Only how his predictions are the best. Its all about him and his ego. I think he has PTSD from way back when he got stomped into the ground over Polumalus head size.
 
Dang that's a good quote, I'm going to use that in the future. Discribes things well.

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Which is why virtually no runningbacks takem in the first round win a super bowl with the team that drafts them.

Yeah you might get a beast in the first round, but running back is the easiest position to fill and if ypu have a line even average rbs look good… good runblocking teams like the browns put their third stringer in and he looks great…

Runningbacks are injury prone due to wear and tear, and they have the shortest careers… first round rbs are a luxury… you build from the two lines out… the only exception is take a franchise qb any time you have a shot at one…

Honestly it would have been better to trade down into the bottom of the first or top of tge second, take one of the top centers, and take a rb with the extra third you get…

The Steelers get too enamored with guys and they totally abandoned the Dan rooney / Chuck Noll way of drafting that got them to be perennial winners

Honestly this feels like when I really started watching football during the end of noll in the 80’s…

I'm not going to argue that point. I didn't really like taking rb in round 1. All I'm saying is I disagree with cooch that Harris is just average.
 
Which is why virtually no runningbacks taken in the first round win a super bowl with the team that drafts them.

Yeah you might get a beast in the first round, but running back is the easiest position to fill and if you have a line even average rbs look good… good run blocking teams like the browns put their third stringer in and he looks great…

Runningbacks are injury prone due to wear and tear, and they have the shortest careers… first round rbs are a luxury… you build from the two lines out… the only exception is take a franchise qb any time you have a shot at one…

Honestly it would have been better to trade down into the bottom of the first or top of tge second, take one of the top centers, and take a rb with the extra third you get…

Excellent points. And here is where your point is then emphasized even more - the Steelers decided they wanted Harris in the 1st because of his talent, plus his heart, his dedication. You can make a compelling argument why that was not the best use of the #24 pick. Teven Jenkins was available at 24, an actual starting NFL tackle. But okay, they go Harris, fine.

Then God smiled on the team and a potentially elite center falls to them at 55 - Creed Humphrey. Every sign tells us he is the real deal - his film is excellent, his footwork superb, 3-year starter, 2-time offensive lineman of the year in the Big-12, has elite physical tools - ELITE. Plug and play guy.

And the Steelers take a TE? What the ... ? So now they are forced to take a vastly less-talented center in the 3rd in Kendrick Green. They have now compounded the problem by taking a decent G they convert to center, but in the process wind up with a guy who is getting bullied and pushed around and dominated before playing the Ravens.

Meanwhile, as anticipated, Humphrey is a day 1 starter for a Super Bowl contender, and is absolutely superb. I get that PFF rankings are dubious at times, but still ... he is the highest ranked C in the NFL right now.


The Steelers get too enamored with guys and they totally abandoned the Dan rooney / Chuck Noll way of drafting that got them to be perennial winners

Ding, ding, winner, winner!

That is exactly what is happening. Tomlin & Colbert think they are much smarter than other guys doing the same jobs and believe they can get somebody just as good by waiting and snapping up the unpolished diamond.

Creed Humphrey? Pfffft, we take a TE and then get the incredible Kendrick "Shopping Cart" Green in the 3rd!

They apparently fail to realize that their 1st round wins have dried up apart from 2 great players, Heyward and Watt. Duds like Edmunds and Bush and Jarvis Jones and Artie Burns account for a huge reason why the team now blows.
 
How deep in Bengal's territory were we? Their 20 or 30? I didn't get to see the game.

Steelers had a 4th and 1 around midfield, late 2nd quarter, trailing 24-3. They get a 1st down, they control the rest of the 1st half, hope to put the ball in the endzone, get the 2nd half kickoff and do something to make it a game.

Nope. Mikey "I don't live in my fears except when I am cowering on the sidelines during an NFL game" Tomlin believed the better idea was to punt and give the ball back to the Bungles, the same offense running up and down the field on his defense. In two plays the Bungles moved the ball to the 45 yard line, or basically where they would have started the drive if the Steelers went for it on 4th and 1 and failed.

The defense "held," Bungles punt the ball back to the Steelers, and Ben throws a pick-6.
 
Excellent points. And here is where your point is then emphasized even more - the Steelers decided they wanted Harris in the 1st because of his talent, plus his heart, his dedication. You can make a compelling argument why that was not the best use of the #24 pick. Teven Jenkins was available at 24, an actual starting NFL tackle. But okay, they go Harris, fine.

Then God smiled on the team and a potentially elite center falls to them at 55 - Creed Humphrey. Every sign tells us he is the real deal - his film is excellent, his footwork superb, 3-year starter, 2-time offensive lineman of the year in the Big-12, has elite physical tools - ELITE. Plug and play guy.

And the Steelers take a TE? What the ... ? So now they are forced to take a vastly less-talented center in the 3rd in Kendrick Green. They have now compounded the problem by taking a decent G they convert to center, but in the process wind up with a guy who is getting bullied and pushed around and dominated before playing the Ravens.

Meanwhile, as anticipated, Humphrey is a day 1 starter for a Super Bowl contender, and is absolutely superb. I get that PFF rankings are dubious at times, but still ... he is the highest ranked C in the NFL right now.




Ding, ding, winner, winner!

That is exactly what is happening. Tomlin & Colbert think they are much smarter than other guys doing the same jobs and believe they can get somebody just as good by waiting and snapping up the unpolished diamond.

Creed Humphrey? Pfffft, we take a TE and then get the incredible Kendrick "Shopping Cart" Green in the 3rd!

They apparently fail to realize that their 1st round wins have dried up apart from 2 great players, Heyward and Watt. Duds like Edmunds and Bush and Jarvis Jones and Artie Burns account for a huge reason why the team now blows.

Excellent post Steeltime !!!



We are now forced to pick needs and not BPA. The drafting, high rounds have been losing ground in success rate / longivity & contributing (Bush isn't contributing) on team. Most know the attemted fix but also know that won't happen for 2 more seasons.

Oh and if Canada's system is kept in tact next year as well................ it will be near a repeat performance on defenses keying off.




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Excellent points. And here is where your point is then emphasized even more - the Steelers decided they wanted Harris in the 1st because of his talent, plus his heart, his dedication. You can make a compelling argument why that was not the best use of the #24 pick. Teven Jenkins was available at 24, an actual starting NFL tackle. But okay, they go Harris, fine.
Fine indeed…….Jenkins was a 2nd rounder (55th pick) who hasn’t played a snap because of injuries. There was a reason he was available in the first.
 
Either way, his football posts--as limited as they may be to start--end up getting trolled for no reason.
he catches **** because he is not here win or lose, he is only here when they lose. He has no original opinions, but believes his parroting of others viewpoints are some grand wisdom only a football mind like his could come up with

he is a totally useless ********
 
Ok now that's just dumb. Harris is a ******* beast, with heart. Dude fights for every yard dragging defenders with him. Unfortunately he has no openings to run thru and has to do it on his own.
If he had a decent line in front of him I think this offense would be night and day different.
No one said Harris is a bad player, just a bad pick. You actually supported that argument.
 
No one said Harris is a bad player, just a bad pick. You actually supported that argument.

I never said cooch said Harris was a bad player. Cooch said Harris was average. I disagree, heavily. He's a beast, far from average. At the time of the draft, I wanted OL. Not knowing how it would work out, I just hoped for the best with our patchwork line, but now I know it's trash. But we've got a good back.
 
I never said cooch said Harris was a bad player. Cooch said Harris was average. I disagree, heavily. He's a beast, far from average. At the time of the draft, I wanted OL. Not knowing how it would work out, I just hoped for the best with our patchwork line, but now I know it's trash. But we've got a good back.
We have a good back and worse rushing production through the same number of games as last year. Good backs are not the correct way to fix the running game, a good line is. Harris was probably the best available player on the draft board at the time the Steelers selected, he just wasn't the player this team needed for the present or future for a proper rebuild, IMO.
 
We are how many games in and Green has gotten worse. He is a danger to any QB we send out there.
 
We have a good back and worse rushing production through the same number of games as last year. Good backs are not the correct way to fix the running game, a good line is. Harris was probably the best available player on the draft board at the time the Steelers selected, he just wasn't the player this team needed for the present or future for a proper rebuild, IMO.

I'm not disagreeing with any of that, only disagreeing with cooch's assessment that Harris is average. Imo though, the line was better last year than this year's mess.
 
And the Steelers take a TE? What the ... ? So now they are forced to take a vastly less-talented center in the 3rd in Kendrick Green. They have now compounded the problem by taking a decent G they convert to center, but in the process wind up with a guy who is getting bullied and pushed around and dominated before playing the Ravens.

I can live with the Muth pick ... I think he has tremendous potential. BUT. Yes there is a but. Always a but. Given the other options, the best of which you have highlighted very clearly, the Muth pick is made even worse by the fact that they simply don't use him correctly. A tight end that is tall, strong, soft hands, capable of the combat catch ... and we pretend like the middle of the field is non-existent and we mostly ignore his existence in the red zone. I think Muth was a reasonable pick where he was taken (not that I am saying he was the best), but to make the pick and still not use him right while you passed on other options is just a damn kick in the already sore nuts of Steelers fans.
 
Fine indeed…….Jenkins was a 2nd rounder (55th pick) who hasn’t played a snap because of injuries. There was a reason he was available in the first.
Lol....Thanks Ike. I thought,what the hell is he talking about. You saved me from looking it up.
Cheers
 
Steelers had a 4th and 1 around midfield, late 2nd quarter, trailing 24-3. They get a 1st down, they control the rest of the 1st half, hope to put the ball in the endzone, get the 2nd half kickoff and do something to make it a game.

Nope. Mikey "I don't live in my fears except when I am cowering on the sidelines during an NFL game" Tomlin believed the better idea was to punt and give the ball back to the Bungles, the same offense running up and down the field on his defense. In two plays the Bungles moved the ball to the 45 yard line, or basically where they would have started the drive if the Steelers went for it on 4th and 1 and failed.

The defense "held," Bungles punt the ball back to the Steelers, and Ben throws a pick-6.
I agree with everything you said, except it wasn't near midfield. It was their own 34. But the concept is the same -- the Bengals had scored every time they had had the ball, and punting it back to them there with almost 2 minutes left in the half and all 3 of their timeouts was basically surrendering the game. Tomlin needed to go for it there, make it, and hope his team could continue the drive, score a touchdown, and gain momentum for the second half, when the Steelers were receiving the kickoff. If they somehow score on those back-to-back possessions, it's a 7-point game. Of course, Ben's pick six that followed ended the game right then and there (Mike Hilton sure knew when to jump this ship, didn't he?).

It was just a no-balls give-up decision by a coach who is often lauded by the media as a smart risktaker, but more often lives in his fears.
 
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