Blowing a 23 point lead is inexcusable!!!!

[Vader]

The point was about relaxing, which is what I felt happened Sunday, combined with the fact that hey do not have the talent as they had in the past. Also, Tomlin gets ripped about everything. That's fine, but sometimes perspective is needed.

But the two games had nothing to do with each other. They weren't even close to being the same. In one game it was a blow out and the team never even got close to tying it. In the other game the opposition tied the game and had a chance to win. These games weren't even close to being the same. Also if you are saying that this happens even to great teams then why turn around and say that we don't have the talent as they had in the past? Tomlin does get ripped because he is the "leader" of men. He is responsible. He's the boss of the OC and DC. He's the guy that approves the plans.

 

[diver]

But the two games had nothing to do with each other. They weren't even close to being the same. In one game it was a blow out and the team never even got close to tying it. In the other game the opposition tied the game and had a chance to win. These games weren't even close to being the same. Also if you are saying that this happens even to great teams then why turn around and say that we don't have the talent as they had in the past? Tomlin does get ripped because he is the "leader" of men. He is responsible. He's the boss of the OC and DC. He's the guy that approves the plans.

You are just being argumentative. Again, that is fine. It was an example I remembered from the book as it related to the way Noll handled it in the locker room. Tomlin has been ripped for letting them relax. It happens, even to the best. That is all. No more, no less.

 

[Franco]

Did we ever lose the 38 point lead iike we lost the 24 point lead ? Noll is an all time great who used it as a teaching tool, Tomlin is a mediocre coach who lost a lead and had no idea to expect a no huddle offense from a team trailing by 24 points and a half of football to play, huge difference.

 

[Vader]

You are just being argumentative. Again, that is fine. It was an example I remembered from the book as it related to the way Noll handled it in the locker room. Tomlin has been ripped for letting them relax. It happens, even to the best. That is all. No more, no less.

They weren't the same.. no more no less. Noll's team was never in danger of losing. It wasn't even after halftime in the Noll case. They didn't score ONE point in the 3rd qtr. They scored 21 points in the 4th. The game was over.. totally over. I understand you are wanting to link Noll's coaching to Tomlin but there is no reason to do that when the games were totally different. I can't understand how Noll let them relax at half time when they didn't give up a single point in the 3rd. Did he let them relax in the 4th? Not sure how that works.

 

[Idioteque]

There's no comparison whatsoever between blowing a huge lead and staying ahead by 17 points.

 

[Hineswardkickedurpanzyass]

Bunch of irritated vaginas..........

This team is not some juggernaut...its still in transition with a lot of pieces to integrate. Things should improve as the season progresses...it did last season.

Rah, ****** rah rah.............this is a WIN, not some Half Loss like a few of you make this out to be.

When we are 2-6 vs total **** competition can we say rah rah rah ******* rah? or will will we be labeled Steeler haters?

 

[diver]

They weren't the same.. no more no less. Noll's team was never in danger of losing. It wasn't even after halftime in the Noll case. They didn't score ONE point in the 3rd qtr. They scored 21 points in the 4th. The game was over.. totally over. I understand you are wanting to link Noll's coaching to Tomlin but there is no reason to do that when the games were totally different. I can't understand how Noll let them relax at half time when they didn't give up a single point in the 3rd. Did he let them relax in the 4th? Not sure how that works.

For crying out loud, I am not comparing Noll and Tomlin. That was not my intent. It was about a letdown. Hell, after that game in '73, Noll addressed LETDOWN in the postgame and what he learned from it. Read the ******' book. I thought it was a good story that did impact my approach when I coached. Noll thought it it was a letdown. You want to argue with him?

 

[83fan]

I'm kinda scared to give my opinion, but I was pissed yet not surprised. I was yelling irrationally and yet calm. I think I personally am gonna take the well it was the first game of the season, the Steelers sometimes start slow approach and see how that works out. They have to gel, get in synch, a little bit at a time. But yeah, I'm still pissed about blowing that big of a lead, but let's just say it will never happen again. Oblivion can be good for the heart. **** that, I'm gonna give them to game 2 to get their **** together and if they **** it up against Baltimore well then....whatever.

 

[Spike]

I'm kinda scared to give my opinion

Not me

Brian ******* Hoyer is the next Tom Brady!!!

Did you see the way he carved up that weak, soft defense??? He had them all figured out, after one half.

 

[diver]

"Three Bricks Shy of a Load," pg. 220.

"At halftime, Noll cautioned the Steelers not to lose their intensity. But he had to be realistic. "I'm not going to tell you it is 7-0," he said soberly. "Another one of Noll's statements," said a Steeler after the game, bemusedly.

Later...on pg. 220:

"I thought you were going to ask me what I told them at halftime," said Noll wryly to the press. He said he had "learned a lesson you keep learning. This is about the thousandth time I've learned it. DON'T LET UP."

The Chargers scoring 21 points whenever they did in the 2nd half was enough to concern Noll as a let up. Again, it happens, even to the great ones.

 

[83fan]

Not me

Brian ******* Hoyer is the next Tom Brady!!!

Did you see the way he carved up that weak, soft defense??? He had them all figured out, after one half.

LOL, spike my darling football guru! But the Steelers way is making average/poor QBs look like the second coming of Bubby Brister.

 

[83fan]

Lol

Not me

Brian ******* Hoyer is the next Tom Brady!!!

Did you see the way he carved up that weak, soft defense??? He had them all figured out, after one half.

Spike my darling football guru! But the Steelers way is making average/poor QBs look like the second coming of Bubby Brister.

 

[83fan]

Ooops gotta get my double posting fingers ready for football season...I'm outta step. And with a big *** picture to boot. I suck.

 

[Spike]

A good mod would have cleaned that up for you - the board has had the hiccups for some time now

 

[Vader]

"Three Bricks Shy of a Load," pg. 220.

"At halftime, Noll cautioned the Steelers not to lose their intensity. But he had to be realistic. "I'm not going to tell you it is 7-0," he said soberly. "Another one of Noll's statements," said a Steeler after the game, bemusedly.

Later...on pg. 220:

"I thought you were going to ask me what I told them at halftime," said Noll wryly to the press. He said he had "learned a lesson you keep learning. This is about the thousandth time I've learned it. DON'T LET UP."

The Chargers scoring 21 points whenever they did in the 2nd half was enough to concern Noll as a let up. Again, it happens, even to the great ones.

It's a lesson he kept learning but nobody ever can change. It happens all the time. However, Noll didn't attribute it to a change in the offensive philosophy. He didn't have a team that was exposed over and over again to an offense that they couldn't stop. It was totally a mental let down that happened even though the game was NEVER in doubt. That's why comparing them is just not right. Tomlin isn't having just an issue with keeping their attention. He has an issue with scheme and ability. They are getting shredded every single time someone spreads them out. Something Noll didn't have an issue with. That's why comparing those games is not accurate.

 

[blitzburghv5]

When we are 2-6 vs total **** competition can we say rah rah rah ******* rah? or will will we be labeled Steeler haters?

We already know what category youre in (Hater Platinum Club Member), based on reading your posts....you have a very negative outlook for this team, you hate the coach...we get it.

Im willing to bet if we start out 6-2 youre still gonna launch **** projectiles. But then again, it dont cost nothin to hate. So hate on.

 

[Hollywood Bags]

We already know what category youre in (Hater Platinum Club Member), based on reading your posts....you have a very negative outlook for this team, you hate the coach...we get it.

That's called "being a realist".

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The main thing I hope they learned is that the offense absolutely CANNOT take their foot off the gas and play turtleball because the defense isn't good enough to hold a lead.

 

[diver]

It's a lesson he kept learning but nobody ever can change. It happens all the time. However, Noll didn't attribute it to a change in the offensive philosophy. He didn't have a team that was exposed over and over again to an offense that they couldn't stop. It was totally a mental let down that happened even though the game was NEVER in doubt. That's why comparing them is just not right. Tomlin isn't having just an issue with keeping their attention. He has an issue with scheme and ability. They are getting shredded every single time someone spreads them out. Something Noll didn't have an issue with. That's why comparing those games is not accurate.

Are you being purposely obtuse? The whole thing was just a comment on letdowns, not comparing games, etc. I just thought it was interesting and important to realize that it happens to everyone. It was interesting to me because I read that book years ago and that stuck with me, and I tried to never allow that to happen when I coached. Sometimes it did, though.

I agree with you on some of the other things, however. It is an issue of scheme and talent. They don't have the talent to effectively run the scheme. The difference seems to be who is to blame. Does Tomlin deserve some? Absolutely. However, this constant, "I put this on Tomlin" **** is tiresome. Tomlin doesn't block and tackle. Players do that. Perhaps some of them need to step up and justify their draft status.

Perhaps it is time to consider a change in defensive scheme. They have been running essentially the same thing since 1992. That is a long ******' time to be doing anything. Hell I am only married 2 years longer than that. Maybe it is getting to the point that this read option, quick attack is the way to beat it, and talent really will not change that. Another thing the Steelers just haven't adjusted to well is the fact that you can't hardly play defense anymore. They hit people, intimidated people. That stuff is frowned upon right now unless you are Seattle, and they are trying to change them, too

 

[Vader]

Are you being purposely obtuse? The whole thing was just a comment on letdowns, not comparing games, etc. I just thought it was interesting and important to realize that it happens to everyone. It was interesting to me because I read that book years ago and that stuck with me, and I tried to never allow that to happen when I coached. Sometimes it did, though.

I agree with you on some of the other things, however. It is an issue of scheme and talent. They don't have the talent to effectively run the scheme. The difference seems to be who is to blame. Does Tomlin deserve some? Absolutely. However, this constant, "I put this on Tomlin" **** is tiresome. Tomlin doesn't block and tackle. Players do that. Perhaps some of them need to step up and justify their draft status.

Perhaps it is time to consider a change in defensive scheme. They have been running essentially the same thing since 1992. That is a long ******' time to be doing anything. Hell I am only married 2 years longer than that. Maybe it is getting to the point that this read option, quick attack is the way to beat it, and talent really will not change that. Another thing the Steelers just haven't adjusted to well is the fact that you can't hardly play defense anymore. They hit people, intimidated people. That stuff is frowned upon right now unless you are Seattle, and they are trying to change them, too

I blame Tomlin the same way I blame every coach. I hold him to the same standard that I held Cowher. Tomlin's philosophy is used in the drafting process. He drafts these guys and he coaches them. So I hold him responsible. He oversees the DC and the OC. He signs off on the plans and schemes. He makes the adjustments at halftime. It's his baby.

As far as changing defensive schemes... that would take several years. Right now you have a franchise QB and they don't want to waste 3-4 years of his playing career trying to find another defense. BTW the 4-3 defense is getting crushed as well. You just need to find hard hitting, smart, powerful, and fast defenders. Not easy but there is no other options right now. They need more talent.

 

[diver]

I blame Tomlin the same way I blame every coach. I hold him to the same standard that I held Cowher. Tomlin's philosophy is used in the drafting process. He drafts these guys and he coaches them. So I hold him responsible. He oversees the DC and the OC. He signs off on the plans and schemes. He makes the adjustments at halftime. It's his baby.

As far as changing defensive schemes... that would take several years. Right now you have a franchise QB and they don't want to waste 3-4 years of his playing career trying to find another defense. BTW the 4-3 defense is getting crushed as well. You just need to find hard hitting, smart, powerful, and fast defenders. Not easy but there is no other options right now. They need more talent.

You blamed Cowher. You blame Tomlin. Where is this perfect coach without any warts that will make this all happen? Maybe you will get a guy that will for a bit, but sooner or later players get old, retire, get hurt, and all the sudden you ain't the genius everybody thought you were. Does that mean because other guys will have warts that Tomlin should keep his job? No. However, they will have issues. They may be different or even some of the same ones. I think perfection is expected, and you will never find it among humans.

Do you ever hold the players responsible? Do they have any part in this? When they miss a block or a tackle, is that something Tomlin did, or Cowher before him? I just find that thought process childish and simple. I read many of your other arguments, and they don't appear to be that way. But in this I feel you and others who think that way are thinking like 14 year olds.

Until they allow defense to be played again, I am afraid this is what you will see, unless you have a lucky stretch like Seattle. Better get on board offensively and try to score as much as you can ever game. Winning with class is out the window. Run it up.

 

[Wingman]

I saw some things from mt that looked good in the game. The first score the team stalled but was able to stay in field goal range and get 3 instead of 0. At the end of the 2nd quarter clock management was good and they were able to get 3 more in the past they generally were more than likely to miss the chance. The team played hard and looked like they were going to run away with the game.

Third quarter looked like same old mt with the wtf look on his face. Thought to myself mt you are not in the game the game is running you. Fourth quarter there is a spark and it looks like the bleeding may stop. We are tied with a chance to win but nearly go into overtime because of poor clock management.

I have been very disappointed in mt but have to say I am seeing improvement in him. He still has quite a ways to go to be a good head coach but he is at least going in the right direction.

 

[Stryker]

Did we ever lose the 38 point lead iike we lost the 24 point lead ? Noll is an all time great who used it as a teaching tool, Tomlin is a mediocre coach who lost a lead and had no idea to expect a no huddle offense from a team trailing by 24 points and a half of football to play, huge difference.

The mediocre coach won his game...

 

[Franco]

After losing the lead to a journeyman QB, two backup rookie RBs in their first game and without their best receiver, Jordan. Maybe the moron will use this game in his interviews for a new job after the Steelers finally fire the fraud.

 

[Stryker]

Show me where I'm wrong, and I'll show you where you're delusional.