Broderick Jones is being traded to the Cowboys

[Ron Burgundy]

Been saying it for years now, draft picks especially premium picks are a crap shoot. Sometimes you hit on them other times you just don’t.
What was once a staple for this franchise recognizing top talent in the early rounds and developing those players has vanished.
Broderick Jones was a raw talent with loads of potential coming from Georgia with not a lot of playing experience. They moved up to take him thinking they could tap into that potential but were unable to develop him. Have to put that on the scouts, Omar Kahn, Tomlin, and Pat Meyer.
I absolutely hate using my premium picks on potential and developmental players. I’d much prefer selecting a player with a solid track record.
Again, it’s not an exact science and you just don’t know.
The Steelers realized they had to move on from Broderick and give him another opportunity and try and recoup whatever they could for him.
I’m more concerned with the drafting process and player evaluation in recent years. These first and second round players simply have to develop and be the cornerstones of your roster.
We cannot continue to draft poorly with these premium picks.
I’m holding out hope for the last three first round picks from 23 to 26. We need these to be home runs.

Also if you remember, Jones played LT in college but Shades moved him to RT where the footwork is completely different, so as not to hurt LT Dan Moore in the feels, the same Dan Moore who wasn't good enough to switch to RT. Last year someone was dumb enough to pay Moore big FA money so Jones went back to LT and was playing decent, not exceptional, until he got hurt. But then you're asking him to go back to a position he hadn't played in two years.

 

[stillwright]

Mike T ****** us big time!!!!!!! No way around that. No way to sugar coat it. The facts are the facts. **** you Mike T!!!! You sucked royally!!!!!

 

[stillwright]

I wonder if Rooney pushed Mike T out or if Mike T knew he simply couldn't build a winner so he bailed as a loser. Either way Mike T knew/knows that he failed. Maybe one day we will know. Either way I never thought the day would come where Mike T wasn't our HC(during my life time).....and I am 56.

 

[Super Dave]

Jones still needs time to heal and put weight back on. He's not playable now. Steelers don't have a spot for him so it's good to get something for him. Getting a 3rd is big for next year's draft where they may want to move up for a QB.

It is also the MAX return we could have possibly received for him in the FA compensation formula when he hits the market next year. There was no way that would have happened, IF he had made the team, he is a bench player, bench players typically do not garner contracts that would warrant 3rd round compensation.

 

[stillwright]

It is also the MAX return we could have possibly received for him in the FA compensation formula when he hits the market next year. There was no way that would have happened, IF he had made the team, he is a bench player, bench players typically do not garner contracts that would warrant 3rd round compensation.

All that would be the least of my concerns....they were going to cut him,,,,and instead got a little compensation for him......Nothing more....nothing less. No reason to over evaluate the entire situation. My take.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I wonder if Rooney pushed Mike T out or if Mike T knew he simply couldn't build a winner so he bailed as a loser. Either way Mike T knew/knows that he failed. Maybe one day we will know. Either way I never thought the day would come where Mike T wasn't our HC(during my life time).....and I am 56.

The namesake of the Rooney Rule was never going to push out his team's first black head coach.
Shades left on his own 1) before he had a losing season and 2) before his playoff record got any worse and tarnished his overall record.
I think Shades recognized that he wasn't capable of changing enough to adapt to today's game.

 

[Steeltime]

I absolutely hate using my premium picks on potential and developmental players. I’d much prefer selecting a player with a solid track record.

Yep. Steelers moved up to #14 and could have selected Christian Gonzalez, a premium shutdown corner who would have another year on his contract but gambled in taking Jones, who had less experience than Iheanachor, whose biggest drawback is ... lack of experience.

 

[slashsteel]

To update the future draft picks:

• 1st — Pittsburgh
• 2nd — Pittsburgh
• 3rd — Pittsburgh
• 3rd — Dallas, Broderick Jones trade
• 4th — None; Pittsburgh sent this to Dallas
• 5th — Dallas, George Pickens trade
• 6th — Dallas, Broderick Jones trade
• 7th — Pittsburgh
• 7th — Miami, Minkah Fitzpatrick trade

Total: 8 picks in 2027.


And separately:

• 2028 6th — Green Bay, Kaleb Johnson tr

 

[Litos]

To update the future draft picks:

• 1st — Pittsburgh
• 2nd — Pittsburgh
• 3rd — Pittsburgh
• 3rd — Dallas, Broderick Jones trade
• 4th — None; Pittsburgh sent this to Dallas
• 5th — Dallas, George Pickens trade
• 6th — Dallas, Broderick Jones trade
• 7th — Pittsburgh
• 7th — Miami, Minkah Fitzpatrick trade

Total: 8 picks in 2027.


And separately:

• 2028 6th — Green Bay, Kaleb Johnson tr

The 6th from Dallas I read it was Pittsburghs own that was previously traded

 

[slashsteel]

The 6th from Dallas I read it was Pittsburghs own that was previously traded

Yep I was just pointing to the team that they acquired the pick from.. but yep you are correct.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Yep. Steelers moved up to #14 and could have selected Christian Gonzalez, a premium shutdown corner who would have another year on his contract but gambled in taking Jones, who had less experience than Iheanachor, whose biggest drawback is ... lack of experience.

Your pick would have been a PRO-action pick where as Jones was a Re-action pick, something Tomlin did regularly.

Tomlin Re-action and never a Pro-action coach.




Salute the nation

 

[SteelerFan448]

Yep. Steelers moved up to #14 and could have selected Christian Gonzalez, a premium shutdown corner who would have another year on his contract but gambled in taking Jones, who had less experience than Iheanachor, whose biggest drawback is ... lack of experience.

There was a report that Gonzalez's predraft visit with the Steelers didn't go well, leaving Tomlin thinking he didn't have a "competitive edge" per the report.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Your pick would have been a PRO-action pick where as Jones was a Re-action pick, something Tomlin did regularly.

Tomlin Re-action and never a Pro-action coach.




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Paris Johnson, Darnell Wright, and Peter Skoronski (all offensive tackles) all went before we picked. And i guess we moved up to get to 14 from 17, in trade with the pats.

So i guess we had Chuks and Dan more , and i dont think they planned on Dan moore being good.. ?

Chuks was playing RT when was benched in mid seaon 2023 . WHY!

• The Incident: During the Week 8 game against Jacksonville on October 29, 2023, the Steelers were trailing late in the game (20-10). [1, 2, 3]

• The Comment: Frustrated that the team was continuing to run plays while hopelessly behind, Okorafor remarked within earshot of head coach Mike Tomlin that the offense should just kneel out the rest of the clock. [1, 2]

• The Aftermath: Tomlin benched Okorafor for the subsequent game against the Tennessee Titans and replaced him in the starting lineup with rookie Broderick Jones for the rest of the season. [1, 2]

So there ya go , not only did we move up to get jones,, but Tomlin got butt hurt and benched Okorafor,, and pressed jones into service at the right side.


My memory is telling me we were moving up to get skoronski,, but he got picked.. idk. I cant remember why we took an OT other than Dan moore was unproven

 

[str8liner]

All I have to say is thank god.

I wonder if Rooney pushed Mike T out or if Mike T knew he simply couldn't build a winner so he bailed as a loser. Either way Mike T knew/knows that he failed. Maybe one day we will know. Either way I never thought the day would come where Mike T wasn't our HC(during my life time).....and I am 56.

Same here. No matter what happens this year it's all good.

Just watching a HC actually call plays the entire game for the first time this preseason was a delight for me.

On the Jones topic all I have to say is THANK GOD.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Paris Johnson, Darnell Wright, and Peter Skoronski (all offensive tackles) all went before we picked. And i guess we moved up to get to 14 from 17, in trade with the pats.

So i guess we had Chuks and Dan more , and i dont think they planned on Dan moore being good.. ?

Chuks was playing RT when was benched in mid seaon 2023 . WHY!

• The Incident: During the Week 8 game against Jacksonville on October 29, 2023, the Steelers were trailing late in the game (20-10). [1, 2, 3]
• The Comment: Frustrated that the team was continuing to run plays while hopelessly behind, Okorafor remarked within earshot of head coach Mike Tomlin that the offense should just kneel out the rest of the clock. [1, 2]
• The Aftermath: Tomlin benched Okorafor for the subsequent game against the Tennessee Titans and replaced him in the starting lineup with rookie Broderick Jones for the rest of the season. [1, 2]

So there ya go , not only did we move up to get jones,, but Tomlin got butt hurt and benched Okorafor,, and pressed jones into service at the right side.


My memory is telling me we were moving up to get skoronski,, but he got picked.. idk. I cant remember why we took an OT other than Dan moore was unproven

I hear all of that but would like to add

Jones played LT the very last pre-season game that year as well, only to find out he was going to play RT.

Re-action not Pro-action by the SBWHCMVT.

I bring this up about the “action” type because Coach Tomlin always seemed to be re-acting to situations and not pro-acting.

Coach MM has shown what appears to be the near opposite thius far.




Salute the nation

 

[FordFairLane]

Joe Milton was just waived. I could definitely see Mason Rudolph getting traded to the Cowboys. Would actually be a feel good story considering he was a Cowboys fan growing up.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Joe Milton was just waived. I could definitely see Mason Rudolph getting traded to the Cowboys. Would actually be a feel good story considering he was a Cowboys fan growing up.

Sorry Ford, I don’t see Mason going anywhere.

If for some reason they do decide to trade him, I’d hope for a 3rd and a 5/6th.

What do some here think his value is to the league and not through you B & G glasses.




Salute the nation

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Glad they got something for him, but man, the opportunity cost of drafting him...

Christian Gonzalez and JSN were both selected a few picks later.

 

[FordFairLane]

Sorry Ford, I don’t see Mason going anywhere.

If for some reason they do decide to trade him, I’d hope for a 3rd and a 5/6th.

What do some here think his value is to the league and not through you B & G glasses.




Salute the nation

My guess is we were offered 6/7th round picks and Khan probably was hoping for 4/5th. I think a 5th would be fair. Maybe a 6 if it’s a crappy team.

 

[SojournerSteel]

The namesake of the Rooney Rule was never going to push out his team's first black head coach.
Shades left on his own 1) before he had a losing season and 2) before his playoff record got any worse and tarnished his overall record.
I think Shades recognized that he wasn't capable of changing enough to adapt to today's game.

Shades was all out of love and so lost without you after Ben left and really after the elbow injury. Ben covered so many warts for so long. Tomlin thought he was ahead of the curve trying to play dinosaur football and avoid the MOF.

 

[stillwright]

Sorry Ford, I don’t see Mason going anywhere.

If for some reason they do decide to trade him, I’d hope for a 3rd and a 5/6th.

What do some here think his value is to the league and not through you B & G glasses.




Salute the nation

2050 7th rounder sounds about right?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Sorry Ford, I don’t see Mason going anywhere.

If for some reason they do decide to trade him, I’d hope for a 3rd and a 5/6th.

What do some here think his value is to the league and not through you B & G glasses.




Salute the nation

It would be foolish to trade away or cut the only experienced contingency plan backing up a aarp card carrying QB, especially when the owner fancies his team as an actual contender

 

[xjx]

A 3rd and 6th would be " fair value" right now.

Things change fast in the nfl.

 

[topseed]

Joe Milton was just waived. I could definitely see Mason Rudolph getting traded to the Cowboys. Would actually be a feel good story considering he was a Cowboys fan growing up.

I know I'd feel good about it.

 

[madinsomniac]

Paris Johnson, Darnell Wright, and Peter Skoronski (all offensive tackles) all went before we picked. And i guess we moved up to get to 14 from 17, in trade with the pats.

So i guess we had Chuks and Dan more , and i dont think they planned on Dan moore being good.. ?

Chuks was playing RT when was benched in mid seaon 2023 . WHY!

• The Incident: During the Week 8 game against Jacksonville on October 29, 2023, the Steelers were trailing late in the game (20-10). [1, 2, 3]
• The Comment: Frustrated that the team was continuing to run plays while hopelessly behind, Okorafor remarked within earshot of head coach Mike Tomlin that the offense should just kneel out the rest of the clock. [1, 2]
• The Aftermath: Tomlin benched Okorafor for the subsequent game against the Tennessee Titans and replaced him in the starting lineup with rookie Broderick Jones for the rest of the season. [1, 2]

So there ya go , not only did we move up to get jones,, but Tomlin got butt hurt and benched Okorafor,, and pressed jones into service at the right side.


My memory is telling me we were moving up to get skoronski,, but he got picked.. idk. I cant remember why we took an OT other than Dan moore was unproven

We moved up to get Jones. The deal went through during the time of the pick.

We needed olinemen badly. Jones has the athleticism to be an all pro, but was super raw.
We threw him into his off side with an oline coach that taught non traditional techniques and a system that didnt give much help to tackles... it was going to be a catastrophe..

See, if you hire piss poor assistant coaches, your draft picks dont develop and you suck..