So, he would count 29.5M against the cap this year. and 7.5M next. would gain 11.5M in cap space this year.
Call it here, do you see Ben Roethlisberger returning to Steelers next year
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So, he would count 29.5M against the cap this year. and 7.5M next. would gain 11.5M in cap space this year.
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Randy was bad, but if Ben said he wanted to throw the ball deep, the Steelers would throw the ball deep. I think a lot of it was Ben and not wanting to take hits. His lower body mechanics were bad which contributed to accuracy issues. Combine that with the Steelers never lining up under center and his lack of mobility I don't see the Steelers being a contender unless they can rebuild the offensive line and ground game in one offseason.
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And who would you, even with 20/20 hindsight, suggest we draft?
Remember that Ben had led NFL in passing yards 2x and had the best years of his career
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People blame Ben for his input, but honestly where is tge proof in that?
We don’t run the peyton manning hurry up that Bens clearly loves... we forced out Arians... easily his favorite coach, and rarely use the guys ben clamors for vocally... we barely targeted Vance or Washington... both Ben favorites... even back in the day we never utilized heath as much as we could have...
Id say there are more known decisions that clearly go against Bens wishes than ones that support the “ he runs the offense “ mentality...
Because its the easy thing to do, and most people that blame Ben for this type of stuff don't want to blame Tomlin, eventhough in alot instances Tomlin said himself he made the decision.
Ben doesn't have nearly the say people think and it's obvious. The no huddle is a perfect example, Ben loves that, but we rarely use it unless down big. If it were up to Ben we'd come out going no huddle, but thats totally against Tomlins conservative approach. The Ravens 2, Washington, Buffalo game was the stretch, we ran no huddle on only 2 plays during that stretch. The game i always bring up, at Baltimore a few years back, Ben wanted to go no huddle up tempo early in the 2nd half, Tomlin nixed that, we didn't go no huddle until down 14 in the 4th.
I guarantee Ben didn't want Arians let go, and I guarantee he didn't want Haley brought in.
We were throwing downfield the first game and a half with Ben in 2019, then once he got hurt we saw the short passing game with no run game start to play out with Duck and Rudolph.
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Ben doesn't have nearly the say people think and it's obvious. The no huddle is a perfect example, Ben loves that, but we rarely use it unless down big. If it were up to Ben we'd come out going no huddle, but thats totally against Tomlins conservative approach. The Ravens 2, Washington, Buffalo game was the stretch, we ran no huddle on only 2 plays during that stretch. The game i always bring up, at Baltimore a few years back, Ben wanted to go no huddle up tempo early in the 2nd half, Tomlin nixed that, we didn't go no huddle until down 14 in the 4th.
I guarantee Ben didn't want Arians let go, and I guarantee he didn't want Haley brought in.
We were throwing downfield the first game and a half with Ben in 2019, then once he got hurt we saw the short passing game with no run game start to play out with Duck and Rudolph.
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I agree with a lot of this but also knowing BEN has taken a beating within his career. All that pounding contributes to his lower body giving out to Father Time and abuse. That doesn't fix things but hints towards the retirement sooner than later. AT MOST a one year deal pushed to two for cap purposes and knowing this upcoming season is his last with the STEELERS and send him off with a big appreciation dance.
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I still think he is a top 10-15 QB. I think he can still sling it. I said it in another thread, that you can't go from league MVP candidate to washed up in 8 weeks.
There are many reasons that folks on here have brought up that IMO caused the spiral: scheme, play calling, in game decisions, lack of trust with o-Line, no running game, no adjustments, injuries. Which all leads to lack of focus, motivation, urgency and the players seemingly losing interest.
I'm hoping Ben does comes back. Last offseason was all about rehabing the arm. Now he can concentrate on rest, and S&C for his entire body and working with a OC that has fresh ideas.
My 2 cents.
Ben was a league MVP candidate? Really? When was that and on which planet?
Believe me, Ben was my favorite player for many years, but he is now an immobile relic in today's game, a shell of his former self, and his $41 million cap hit will severely handicap the Steelers next season.
All good things must come to an end. It's time to move on and stop kicking his signing bonus hit down the line...that would be even worse.
You can call Ben whatever you want but winner and competitor better be included. I think Ben had a three fold road block during his slump. It was fatigue from being off nearly a year, injury to his leg, and a ****** coordinator road blocking with a ****** scheme. He has some things to clean up but I don't see over and done QBs passing for 500 yards. And yeah he is coming to the end. But he is still better than Manning was at this of his career and that guy took the Broncos all the way. I will continue to welcome him back even if it is just for one season. They won't sit on his contract they will do something with it. You're either eating it now or later. So there will be a drop off either now or later in QB play I am not rushing that along. I also believe if you have a more balanced offense some of those INTs will be cleaned up.
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What I don't want to call him is "highest paid quarterback on the planet." Do you?
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Anybody thinking Ben is done is crazy. He’s the sole reason we were in the playoffs.
The running game wasn’t just terrible this year, it’s been terrible for the last 3 years!
32nd, 29th, 31st. Against perception — 31st rushing WITH Mike Munchak.
Everyone was so elated about the coaching job Tomlin did in 2019, but 8-8 without **** for offense could have been 10-6 by addressing the running game issues 2 years ago & would have been there for us this year.
But no, we rely on Ben throwing it 50+ times per game to win.
I publicly stated didn’t want LeVeon Back after Jets cut him, but I lied. I wanted him back terribly, and even if I was wrong (he had literally no chance with the pitiful blocking)
Ben needs to be back throwing 30x max with a lot more ball control (100-130 yards rushing per game). There’s 2 more years there if they do that.
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The running game wasn’t just terrible this year, it’s been terrible for the last 3 years!
32nd, 29th, 31st. Against perception — 31st rushing WITH Mike Munchak.
Everyone was so elated about the coaching job Tomlin did in 2019, but 8-8 without **** for offense could have been 10-6 by addressing the running game issues 2 years ago & would have been there for us this year.
But no, we rely on Ben throwing it 50+ times per game to win.
I publicly stated didn’t want LeVeon Back after Jets cut him, but I lied. I wanted him back terribly, and even if I was wrong (he had literally no chance with the pitiful blocking)
Ben needs to be back throwing 30x max with a lot more ball control (100-130 yards rushing per game). There’s 2 more years there if they do that.
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Compound all of this, by week 11, everyone changed how they defended us. One safety back, everyone else on the line, no deep routes, no intermediate routes, and WRs decided to not catch the ball. Ben was put into a situation to fail, not succeed. It was no coincidence that he led the league and set a career high in balls batted at the LOS.
Ben didn't look done in the Cleveland game. He looked like one of the few guys trying to do ANYTHING. His first INT was caused because they started out of shape Fieler instead of Dotson.
I for one will welcome Ben back with open arms next year. I think he has another good to great year left.
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Should he come back? Lets use some Socratic method to come to reasonable answer:
1.) Against the Brown's, Mason had a rating/QBR of 89/79 compared to Ben's 85/66. Are you comfortable having your starter being outplayed by your backup?
2.) If Ben were released, would ANYONE offer him $19MM next year?
3.) Is Ben going to be more agile/mobile/durable next year, or less?
Some of you have to stop living in the past.
-Take the $19MM and retain some players for the Future.
-Let Mason and Dobbs battle it out.
-Build up the OL, and take a flyer on a Day 2 guy like Jamie Newsome.
1.) Against the Brown's, Mason had a rating/QBR of 89/79 compared to Ben's 85/66. Are you comfortable having your starter being outplayed by your backup?
2.) If Ben were released, would ANYONE offer him $19MM next year?
3.) Is Ben going to be more agile/mobile/durable next year, or less?
Some of you have to stop living in the past.
-Take the $19MM and retain some players for the Future.
-Let Mason and Dobbs battle it out.
-Build up the OL, and take a flyer on a Day 2 guy like Jamie Newsome.
Somehow it's Feiler's fault that Ben threw a five-yard pass two feet over Snell's head on that first INT, even though Feiler blocked his man and had absolutely nothing to do with that play? What the hell are you talking about?
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All very valid points and you are probably right on the two years. It would make sense as we MUST re-vamp his cap hit and spread it out over two years would greatly help. I think he can play way more effectively if the offensive scheme is change to similar to what you stated. RUN GAME a must and NO 50+ tossing by our QB. Make teams gaurd against more than one demensional us.
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Ben will be back.
Comparing Rudolph to Ben is like comparing a little league pitcher to Clayton kershaw. Don’t get too complicated he is one year out from major elbow surgery , chances are his arm strength will improve , if it does then what is the question ? The only position in the modern nfl that changes the Vegas line is qb. Are you getting up Sunday morning and getting pumped about putting on your #2 jersey to play Mahone’s or maybe your #7 jersey?the problem was leadership and abandoning the running game. Ben an oline a running game and receivers that can actually catch the football is the answer. Mason Rudolph is a nfl backup. Ben became the starter for 2 decades when he played his first play years ago when he took over for Tommy Maddox. Rudolph had his chance he is what he is . One more year of Ben and let’s see what happens.
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