The funny thing is the idiot guys at 93.7 the fan insist Ben wanted that type of offense, and Ben is the reason the run game didn't work, and Ben will get who he wants at OC again if he comes back.
Call it here, do you see Ben Roethlisberger returning to Steelers next year
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The funny thing is the idiot guys at 93.7 the fan insist Ben wanted that type of offense, and Ben is the reason the run game didn't work, and Ben will get who he wants at OC again if he comes back.
Yeah, I'm guessing Ben comes back for a number of reasons; $40mm is a lot of $$, the end of the season left a sour taste in his mouth and he doesn't want to go out that way, he still thinks he can win another SB (personally I disagree - at this point I think we need a more serious rebuild to compete with the top tier teams) and football has been his life and its a pretty hard thing to give up. All pure speculation of course but that is what this thread is all about.
I would find that very hard to believe, the part about Ben wanting this offense, I doubt Ben wanted 3rd and 1 to be as likely as 3rd 25 because the Steelers had absolutely no chance of running for 1 freaking yard. Anyhow, I digress, Ben has been a downfield passer for 17 years, he didn't wake up this year and have a revelation to have Fitchner install an offense that looked to pass the ball by throwing it 12 yards horizontally to gain 2 yards vertically.
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Don't know if Ben is coming back or not, but if it's for 41 million don't expect a Lombardi trophy. We'll basically have the same team minus JuJu, Dupree, maybe Pouncey and a few others with no cap space to replace them. My gut feeling is the Steelers give Ben an ultimatum, a take it or leave it offer to come back at a substantially reduced salary. So unless the Steelers are stupid and believe he's the Ben of ten years ago who could carry the team, I think he'll be back but not for 41 million. Then you'll have some cap space to beef up the O'line, or maybe add a solid RB if you can't draft one to take the pressure off of Ben.
Ben was throwing downfield in the game and a half before he got hurt in 2019, except Moncrief dropped 20 passes in those first two games. The throw short, run long **** started after Ben was hurt with Mason at QB. Everyone was bitching the running game wasn't working because the defenses were crowding the LOS, but everyone is blaming this offense on Ben when he was home gimped up.
Funny thing is that Mason, before he took the shot to the head, was starting to show that this offense wasn't for him either. His best games were the ones where he took a few shots downfield. So, in two years Fichtner, and there's no other way to say this, with Tomlin's OK, retarded the growth of what they thought at the time was the "heir apparent" AND handcuffed Ben with the same bullshit offense.
Now, maybe they thought they were "working Mason in to" the speed, etc. of playing against the big boys. And maybe they thought they were "working Ben back" into shape after no real off season. But, at some point, they forgot that those measures were only meant to be temporary and they made it their whole offensive philosophy.
Hell, it might have worked if Fichtner knew how to string together plays that feed off of one another. Or if he actually looked like he put a game plan together that had contingencies in it.
yep, and I still think the coaches started to come to the realization this Oline was falling off pretty quickly, and the quick passing game protected them to a degree, until we attempted to run.
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If Brady can play till 45, why can’t Ben play a few more years? If we get past this big cap hit year, who knows. I think our Oline was a big part of Bens play this year and he was hurt and he was not practicing much-perhaps as a rest to his arm and knee.
Well, as Ramon Foster said, "If I'm Ben, I've got $15M reasons to be there in March with a huge smile on my face." I agree with the Big Ragu. So, I'm pretty sure we'll see if an off season of relative rest (rather than rehab) helps his arm and his knee.
Another thing that I found interesting that Ramon and DK were discussing was that the smart move would be to take that $19M that Ben is due and invest it in Bud. Now, Ramon didn't say he would do it, he said it would be smart to do it. He was adamant that he thought Ben still had more to give as a QB.
He'll probably figure out what he wants to do in March. I think he'll be back.
O line wasnt great. Wasnt the worst in the league either.
This offense that fictner was running was the problem, hands down in my mind.
Ben needs to go take some yoga and ballet,, and do some stretching. I'm surprised we didn't employ the statue of liberty play this year the way he "STOOD" in the pocket.
This offense that fictner was running was the problem, hands down in my mind.
Ben needs to go take some yoga and ballet,, and do some stretching. I'm surprised we didn't employ the statue of liberty play this year the way he "STOOD" in the pocket.
Hard to tell between having a quick passer and a ****** coordinator just how good/bad that Oline was. I think LT and C could definitely be upgraded.
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We will see if he comes back. I hope they hire a guy outside the organization and Ben does come back because I'd like to know. I don't think he wanted the dink and dunk, but I think he loves that damn pistol, which will limit the effectiveness of the running game.
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I think the offense got so preoccupied in wanting to not get Ben hit it just completely took over. The Steelers were down in some games and the defenses let up a bit allowing the Steelers to have big second halves through the air. My huge concern is Ben was only on his game for 9-10 games this year and was bad for 6-7. I don’t expect him to be better next year and I don’t trust the team to not abandon the run in November as they have down for two or three seasons on a row with Ben under center. The other factor is, at what price is his pay worth what he brings because you have to push money into the future. I think Brady’s cap hit is $25 million, so Roethlisberger has to fall well below that number to justify his performance vs. his pay.
If we can improve our running game by adding a quality OC, OL, and RB I could honestly see Ben playing a couple more seasons. Not saying we will have the Ben of a couple years ago but his arm didn’t seem to me to be the main concern last year. It’s easy to say he’s washed up and move on. He also had a lot going against him. Lack of play calling and creativity on offense, no running game, WR’s and TE’s who couldn’t catch at times, and aging line who hasn’t played well. Ben did struggle with accuracy at times and clearly missed some plays he should have made. I think both of those can be cleaned up. We also forget the guy sat out the whole year last year and never had preseason games and a real training camp. Having a good running game will take the pressure off him to try and win the games on his own. Having a good OC and OL coaches will help put Ben in a better position to succeed by developing talent and game planning on offense. I will take a Ben in the final couple years of his career over Rudolph or any other option at this point.
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Was he pushing 3 bills during the rehab last season or was it just the beard that made him look like an Olinemen?!
Per SI, Ben is looking to come back but wants JuJu back as well. Take it for what it's worth. If Ben does come back, it will take a dummy 2 year extension and Ben's commitment to be in even better shape than last year when he started the season in good shape.
I don't know that the Steelers can afford a free agent JuJu under the salary cap.
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it was the beard. around that time, slash posted a picture of ben posing with franco, and ben looked as svelte as he's ever looked.
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Time to go Ben! Thanks for everything, your efforts and your commitment. You have been great, but please go.
I doubt he will retire, I agree too much money on the table. But, if he stays he runs the real risk of playing and not doing well. He's too old, too slow, has a bad arm, he's afraid to get hit, can't scramble or even dive for a yard, and the o-line can't protect him anymore either like they used to, aka: it'll be a dumpster fire! His playoff performances over the last few years have been getting much worse and he has had playoff games with plenty of talent around him.
Then, because the Steelers are paying him a boatload to play, and play poorly he will, fans will be, rightly, angry and will boo him and that will just sour things for him and his history in Pittsburgh. That will be a terribly sad ending to a great career.
I doubt he will retire, I agree too much money on the table. But, if he stays he runs the real risk of playing and not doing well. He's too old, too slow, has a bad arm, he's afraid to get hit, can't scramble or even dive for a yard, and the o-line can't protect him anymore either like they used to, aka: it'll be a dumpster fire! His playoff performances over the last few years have been getting much worse and he has had playoff games with plenty of talent around him.
Then, because the Steelers are paying him a boatload to play, and play poorly he will, fans will be, rightly, angry and will boo him and that will just sour things for him and his history in Pittsburgh. That will be a terribly sad ending to a great career.
You'd take Ben over Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Dak Prescott, and Kyler Murray? The 2019 league MVP, the most prolific passer in NFL history, a guy who had the Cowboys averaging 32 points a game when he got hurt, and a guy who had a better passer rating than Ben with infinitely more mobility?
Ben is not a top 10 or 12 quarterback; he finished 19th in the league in rating, and the last third of his season was considerably worse than that.
As it stands, he'll be the costliest QB in the league as far as the 2021 cap. #1. Ben's on-field production is nowhere near the top ten, let alone first.
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Too many have the vision of what Ben was or let those moments of brilliance cloud their vision of what he is now. Defenses let up when you have leads and it opens things up for the offense. He also physically can’t do what is necessary to be a great offense and most of that revolves around mobility. Lastly, what’s the price tag? He’s yet to take a discount. Really, his price should be clearance level on an extension so they can keep more of their players.
How much of what Ben is now was held back by Randy and late season injury? I think he can handle the job but damn sure would be aided by a balanced offense. Have to say not having Randy around should help significantly. But brings us back to all the decisions the team faces. A lot. They need a LT,RB,NT,C, backup OLBer, and that isn't counting what happens with Hilton and Sutton.
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Ben has been a tremendous QB and has won 2 Lombardis in his career. He deserves the respect and gratitude of Steeler Nation for his efforts. But....... The Steelers have paid Ben $243,000,000, (almost a quarter of a Billion dollars) in his career. He earned it and we are all glad he was paid what he was worth. He's due to make $41mm next year. His present level of performance is far below that pay grade. Personally I think if anyone is getting paid that much their last name better be Mahomes and their first name better be Patrick. If they pay him that in a reduced salary cap year they will have to let a lot of valuable FAs entering their prime go down the road and the rebuild will be that much more drawn out and painful. If I were King I'd ask Ben to take a fully guaranteed $25mm one year deal and if he declined I'd suck it up, release him and take the cap hit. But I'm not King.
He's only due $19M next year in the form of a $15M roster bonus due in March and $4M in salary for the season. The other $22M has already been paid as signing bonus for his extension and restructures. He earned that $22M, no one should even argue against that. But, the question is how do you limit/lower his cap hit this year. I think they extend him for a year and turn that $15M roster bonus and into a signing bonus.