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spinthenfall

Wasn't his arm hit as he threw that ball? If it happened the way I remember, I could see why he'd get a bit of a pass. Other than the all out Tomlin haters, I don't really recall anyone laying all the blame for that game on him. Lately people have been pointing out deficiencies that have been around since then that may have been attributed to others at the time, so I guess I can kind of see what you're saying.

I blame kemoeatu, and well someone has to be accountable for having him as a starter all season.

 

[slashsteel]

I agree. Spinthenfall got a ton of the blame at the time, but now, people seem to be pointing to Tomlin for that loss and Ben largely gets the pass.

I dunno I think Tomlin's biggest critics revolve around playoff losses and inability to get the team to the playoffs.

For that loss I always blamed spin then fall and Kemo.

 

[SteelerFan448]

For Balance:

1995 Neil O'Donnell throws 2 interceptions and we lose the SB. Cowher takes no blame from the fans.
2010 Ben throws a pick six and Mendenhall fumbles late. Tomlin is the problem to fans.

Not sure why the view for coaches is different here, they were both early in their careers when they lost a SB.

Mendenhall is the only guy I've seen blamed for that game...sometimes the guys who missed key blocks as well.

 

[Litos]

Mendenhall is the only guy I've seen blamed for that game...sometimes the guys who missed key blocks as well.

I have always blamed kemo and whiff Johnson in the forum

 

[topseed]

I said they get credit. I'm looking at that statement. Again, it was you who keeps bringing them up, not me. And I believe whoever is coaching a team when they win it gets credit for being the coach. I believe that. It is petty and childish not to. But I guess I shouldn't expect much more from a guy who is arrogant enough to think he could be an NFL coach. Make sure you announce here when someone hires you.

You said you never mentioned them. That statement is false, no matter how you want to dance around it.

I'm not arrogant enough to think I could be a long-term NFL coach. I never said that. I'd need a lot more knowledge and experience for that to be true. What I said was that with a crash-course on how things are set up in the NFL, and with that 2008 coaching staff and roster in place, yes, I (or any one else with half a brain and a good football acumen) could have filled Tomlin's shoes and beaten those three teams. Tomlin had nothing to do with James Harrison making an instinctive play which changed the course of the Super Bowl, or we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Harrison gets infinitely more credit for the outcome of that game in my book. You're short-sighted enough to believe that they couldn't have possibly won that Super Bowl without a "special" head coach. That couldn't be further from the truth.

"He won with Cowher guys" and "He hasn't built a championship team of his own" are two completely different arguments. The latter argument is legitimate, as it can be proven. The former, as I have been saying, allows for questions, because it cannot be proven beyond a shadow of doubt. Why? Because we know Tomlin won with them. Everything else is just an assumption.

OK.

I couldn't quite understand the Seifert and Switzer references for this reason...they were both pretty good coaches! Seifert won 2 Super Bowls with the 49ers, and the 2nd one in '94...there was probably a good bit of turnover on the roster from when Walsh last coached in '88. And Switzer won 3 National Championships, and in college you are always building rosters, and he won a Super Bowl title.

But these guys weren't special. Haha. You showed me.

Again, how did Seifert coach when starting from scratch in Carolina? I'll remind you: He went 8-8. Then 7-9. Then 1-15. Then he was out of the NFL for good. Yes, very special indeed.

How long did Switzer last as a head coach in the NFL? A grand total of 4 years. Won the Super Bowl with a pre-loaded team, then went 6-10 two years later, then he was out of the NFL for good. Yes. very special indeed.

If you can't understand that there's a difference between coaching in college and coaching in the NFL, perhaps you've never heard of Nick Saban. Or maybe you're just special, too. Special ed, that is.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I have always blamed kemo and whiff Johnson in the forum

Add in a little Tomlin as well, Green Bay had some secondary injuries and we didn’t attach/make adjustments to that during the game.


Salute the nation

 

[diver]

You said you never mentioned them. That statement is false, no matter how you want to dance around it.

I'm not arrogant enough to think I could be a long-term NFL coach. I never said that. I'd need a lot more knowledge and experience for that to be true. What I said was that with a crash-course on how things are set up in the NFL, and with that 2008 coaching staff and roster in place, yes, I (or any one else with half a brain and a good football acumen) could have filled Tomlin's shoes and beaten those three teams. Tomlin had nothing to do with James Harrison making an instinctive play which changed the course of the Super Bowl, or we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Harrison gets infinitely more credit for the outcome of that game in my book. You're short-sighted enough to believe that they couldn't have possibly won that Super Bowl without a "special" head coach. That couldn't be further from the truth.


OK.


Again, how did Seifert coach when starting from scratch in Carolina? I'll remind you: He went 8-8. Then 7-9. Then 1-15. Then he was out of the NFL for good. Yes, very special indeed.

How long did Switzer last as a head coach in the NFL? A grand total of 4 years. Won the Super Bowl with a pre-loaded team, then went 6-10 two years later, then he was out of the NFL for good. Yes. very special indeed.

If you can't understand that there's a difference between coaching in college and coaching in the NFL, perhaps you've never heard of Nick Saban. Or maybe you're just special, too. Special ed, that is.

Where did I mention Seifert and Switzer? Show me exactly where I brought them into the conversation. You brought them into the conversation on page 10 of this thread.

 

[diver]

You said you never mentioned them. That statement is false, no matter how you want to dance around it.

I'm not arrogant enough to think I could be a long-term NFL coach. I never said that. I'd need a lot more knowledge and experience for that to be true. What I said was that with a crash-course on how things are set up in the NFL, and with that 2008 coaching staff and roster in place, yes, I (or any one else with half a brain and a good football acumen) could have filled Tomlin's shoes and beaten those three teams. Tomlin had nothing to do with James Harrison making an instinctive play which changed the course of the Super Bowl, or we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Harrison gets infinitely more credit for the outcome of that game in my book. You're short-sighted enough to believe that they couldn't have possibly won that Super Bowl without a "special" head coach. That couldn't be further from the truth.


OK.


Again, how did Seifert coach when starting from scratch in Carolina? I'll remind you: He went 8-8. Then 7-9. Then 1-15. Then he was out of the NFL for good. Yes, very special indeed.

How long did Switzer last as a head coach in the NFL? A grand total of 4 years. Won the Super Bowl with a pre-loaded team, then went 6-10 two years later, then he was out of the NFL for good. Yes. very special indeed.

If you can't understand that there's a difference between coaching in college and coaching in the NFL, perhaps you've never heard of Nick Saban. Or maybe you're just special, too. Special ed, that is.

Agreed on Harrison. Did Tomlin have anything to do with Pouncey snapping the ball over Ben's head, and on the next series Ben throwing a pick in the playoff debacle against Cleveland in Pittsburgh, just to state one example? You selectively pick when players are responsible, I guess. Shortsighted? No, I just don't jerk off in the world of speculation like you do. I don't know if they could have won with another head coach. I know they won with Tomlin, and that is all that matters.

You don't have to remind me of anything. Both of those coaches won championships at the highest levels. A little perspective is needed. How many coaches haven't won anything as compared to those that have? Think about that a minute. That is where you are full of shiit. You act like a majority of head coaches over the years in the NFL have won a championship. That couldn't be further from the truth. Those that do are pretty damn good coaches.

Special ed. Haha. You hurt my feelings on that one. How will I ever recover?

 

[diver]

Add in a little Tomlin as well, Green Bay had some secondary injuries and we didn’t attach/make adjustments to that during the game.


Salute the nation

Ben threw the ball 40 times in that game. Wallace and Ward had 16 catches between them. In fact, the 2nd of Ben's picks he tried to force the ball to Wallace instead of seeing and throwing to a wide open Heath Miller, who maybe could have just jogged across. If he threw it 45 times would that be enough to get Tomlin off the hook? 50 times? It's stupid. They threw it enough. Maybe they should have run it more. Mendenhall averaged a little over 4 yards a carry.

 

[topseed]

Where did I mention Seifert and Switzer? Show me exactly where I brought them into the conversation. You brought them into the conversation on page 10 of this thread.

I already quoted that, dumb-dumb. You can mention something or someone in the course of discussion without being the person who brought up the subject. Or is that another concept too difficult for you to grasp?

Agreed on Harrison. Did Tomlin have anything to do with Pouncey snapping the ball over Ben's head, and on the next series Ben throwing a pick in the playoff debacle against Cleveland in Pittsburgh, just to state one example? You selectively pick when players are responsible, I guess. Shortsighted? No, I just don't jerk off in the world of speculation like you do. I don't know if they could have won with another head coach. I know they won with Tomlin, and that is all that matters.

No, I was selectively talking about 2008. You know, when Tomlin actually won the Super Bowl?

You think about other guys jerking off? Not surprising.

You don't have to remind me of anything. Both of those coaches won championships at the highest levels. A little perspective is needed. How many coaches haven't won anything as compared to those that have? Think about that a minute. That is where you are full of shiit. You act like a majority of head coaches over the years in the NFL have won a championship. That couldn't be further from the truth. Those that do are pretty damn good coaches.

Special ed. Haha. You hurt my feelings on that one. How will I ever recover?

I act like a majority of coaches have won a championship? I never said anything remotely close to that nonsense. Talk about being full of shlt.

You're right, man. Anything a head coach does at any other point in his career means absolutely nothing once he wins a Super Bowl. Who cares if he ends up with a 1-15 team and never coaches again? Who cares if he destroys his team within two years, finishes at 6-10, and never coaches again?

Brian Billick salutes you. In his second year, he won the Super Bowl in 2000 with one of the best defenses in NFL history. He parlayed that into one more playoff win in his final seven seasons. Must have been a pretty damn good special coach, though. According to you.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

We can all recognize as a fact that Cowher compiled a Super Bowl winning team in 2005. That team took a step back in 2006 due mostly to Ben's injuries. Then Tomlin took over in 2007. In 2008, with many of the same important core players, they won again. And it is a stone cold fact that they haven't won since, and have been retreating further and further away from the prize as Tomlin has made the team his own. And this included having a franchise quarterback in the prime of his career for most of that period.

There is nothing "petty" or "weak" about that the truths in that argument.


The complaint is that Tomlin, over the last ten-plus years, has failed to establish his own team as one capable of competing for a Super Bowl win. Not sure why this is so incredibly difficult for you to understand.

Yeah, Tomlin won it. 15 years ago. But some of us started to realize a few seasons later that maybe he just happened to be in the right situation at the right time, and perhaps he wasn't the wunderkind that the press was making him out to be.


My problem is that you supposedly want him fired, but you'll argue tooth and nail about how he won the Super Bowl a DECADE-AND-A-HALF AGO. Like this somehow matters given what we've all seen from the guy since then.

Yeah, according to you, Tomlin is special. Just like Barry Switzer was. And George Seifert. Or maybe, more simply, they were just extraordinarily lucky to have gotten their jobs when they did.