College Football 11/24/18

[SteelerInLebanon]

Seriously you're going to look at NON-conference schedule to judge total schedule? Did you look at OSU?

Oregon State- 2-10
TCU- 6-6
Tulane- 6-6

Wow what a great non-conference schedule.... How'd they ever make it through that?
But that doesn't also take into account CONFERENCE schedules where the Big 10 is vastly inferior to the SEC. OSU beat a 1 win Rutgers, 5-7 Indiana, 4-8 Nebraska, 5-7 Maryland (who almost beat them), and get to play a 4 loss Northwestern for a CONFERENCE Championship game. **** me what an easy schedule.. both in conference and out of conference.

Bama has to play LSU, Texas A&M, MS. St, and Auburn every year plus a real championship game against a 1 loss Georgia.

Their records were not great but there were no Citadels on that schedule. When Scheduled all OSU's teams had been decent teams, not so with Bama. The SEC is not vastly superior not by a long shot.

 

[bermudasteel]

Bama should have tanked today. They would still get in, then Georgia would also get in.

Michigan is fake. Their offense sucks. They can only win if they can power run. They got a bunch of hype beating Penn State but Penn State's defensive weakness is that they are small at DT and can be overpowered. Also Penn State's offensive weakness is their young WRs can'y get off press coverage. That's all Michigan does on defense.

You saw today, if you have an OL that can block Michigan's pass rush and some decent WRs, you can carve them up because they just play man with a bunch of DB that grab instead of cover. Beat that bump and they're toast.


Alabama played nobody this year. LSU is decent i guess but limited offensively.
Bama's non-confeerence schedule was
Louisville (2-10),
Arkansas State
Louisiana
The Citadel

Maybe Bama is as great as they look but it wasn't that hard to look good against their schedule. If they get matched against Oklahoma, they'll destroy them because Oklahoma has no defense.

Clemson and Ohio State can both match Alabama in talent. But both also have relatively inexperienced QBs. They may crack under real pressure. I don't think Notre Dame's offense is good enough to hang with any of the other playoff teams.

You're funny. No further comments from me because I'm in NFL-mode now...

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[bermudasteel]

Their records were not great but there were no Citadels on that schedule. When Scheduled all OSU's teams had been decent teams, not so with Bama. The SEC is not vastly superior not by a long shot.

Yawn...

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[SteelerInLebanon]

Yawn...

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Not saying BAMA is bad I just think the SEC as a whole is not that far above the other conferences. It is more hype than fact. Let's see BAMA come North for BIG ten schedule and see how they deal with real football weather.

 

[Vader]

Not saying BAMA is bad I just think the SEC as a whole is not that far above the other conferences. It is more hype than fact. Let's see BAMA come North for BIG ten schedule and see how they deal with real football weather.

LOL "Football" weather? So you need outside conditions to neutralize the power of the SEC? Typical jealous fan. They know they can't beat the SEC straight up so they need something else to help them win.

 

[Troglodyte]

Sure they should. Why should an average team in a bad conference get in over a better team in a better conference? You don't want the best team's playing for the NC. You want conference champs playing against each other even if one conference champ isn't that good. Why should the SEC be punished for being the best conference?

Why even have a playoff then? Just crown the SEC Champ the National Champ. Alabama played Mercer, Louisiana-Lafayette and The Citadel. Would you want a committee holding that against them? Again, it’s subjective and inherently flawed. Objective criteria should be used to determine who gets in, just like every other playoff.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Not saying BAMA is bad I just think the SEC as a whole is not that far above the other conferences. It is more hype than fact. Let's see BAMA come North for BIG ten schedule and see how they deal with real football weather.

Maybe a Big 10 team should try scoring a point in the playoffs.

 

[Vader]

Why even have a playoff then? Just crown the SEC Champ the National Champ. Alabama played Mercer, Louisiana-Lafayette and The Citadel. Would you want a committee holding that against them? Again, it’s subjective and inherently flawed. Objective criteria should be used to determine who gets in, just like every other playoff.

The fact is that Alabama didn't play Mercer or Louisiana-Lafayette. So don't throw that strawman in here. They played a difficult conference schedule. The SEC dominated the ACC this past weekend. Hell even S. Carolina with a depleted defense hung with Clemson for awhile. Hell OSU owns the Big 10. There is nobody else in there. The 2nd best team (Michigan) couldn't keep them under 60 ******* points. You think Bama is going to hang 60 on Georgia?

The SEC is just a better conference top to bottom. Yes, they have some very bad teams (TN, Arkansas ETC..) but Bama doesn't even win the SEC every year (like last year) but they are still a dominant team. No other conference has that. That's just the facts. The SEC has teams that can challenge for the Title every year like Florida, Auburn, Bama, LSU, Georgia. The Big 10 has one... just one.

BTW should the Pac 12 get a spot in the champions games? What about UCF?

I'd love to make it a true playoff. Expand it to 8-12 teams. More the merrier.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

LOL "Football" weather? So you need outside conditions to neutralize the power of the SEC? Typical jealous fan. They know they can't beat the SEC straight up so they need something else to help them win.

No I say the BIG TEN would look just like the SEC if they played in the south.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The fact is that Alabama didn't play Mercer or Louisiana-Lafayette. So don't throw that strawman in here. They played a difficult conference schedule. The SEC dominated the ACC this past weekend. Hell even S. Carolina with a depleted defense hung with Clemson for awhile. Hell OSU owns the Big 10. There is nobody else in there. The 2nd best team (Michigan) couldn't keep them under 60 ******* points. You think Bama is going to hang 60 on Georgia?

The SEC is just a better conference top to bottom. Yes, they have some very bad teams (TN, Arkansas ETC..) but Bama doesn't even win the SEC every year (like last year) but they are still a dominant team. No other conference has that. That's just the facts. The SEC has teams that can challenge for the Title every year like Florida, Auburn, Bama, LSU, Georgia. The Big 10 has one... just one.

BTW should the Pac 12 get a spot in the champions games? What about UCF?

I'd love to make it a true playoff. Expand it to 8-12 teams. More the merrier.

I agree with expanding to 8 teams 5 champs and three at large.

 

[Troglodyte]

BTW should the Pac 12 get a spot in the champions games? What about UCF?

Yes, with only 4 spots, undefeated UCF should get an invite before any one loss team. No, I do not think they are one of the four best teams, but it shouldn’t matter what anyone thinks.

 

[Vader]

No I say the BIG TEN would look just like the SEC if they played in the south.

Seriously? So tell me how the weather prevents the Big Ten from competing against themselves because of "weather". Why isn't the Pac-10 the greatest conference since they have great weather in half of the conference all the time. Why is USC, UCLA and Cal not perennial college dynasties?

 

[Vader]

Yes, with only 4 spots, undefeated UCF should get an invite before any one loss team. No, I do not think they are one of the four best teams, but it shouldn’t matter what anyone thinks.

So you'd leave out who? You have 5 power conference winners, ND, and UCF. Who do you put in and why.

 

[Troglodyte]

So you'd leave out who? You have 5 power conference winners, ND, and UCF. Who do you put in and why.

Whichever team lost out on OBJECTIVE tie-breaker criteria. For example: conference champ, best record, strength of schedule, margin of victory, etc.

If the Steelers were to tank their last 4 games but still win the weak AFC North at 9-6-1, I wouldn’t be in favor of some committee stepping in and determining that a wildcard from a stronger division get in the playoffs instead of them.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Seriously you're going to look at NON-conference schedule to judge total schedule? Did you look at OSU?

Oregon State- 2-10
TCU- 6-6
Tulane- 6-6

Wow what a great non-conference schedule.... How'd they ever make it through that?
But that doesn't also take into account CONFERENCE schedules where the Big 10 is vastly inferior to the SEC. OSU beat a 1 win Rutgers, 5-7 Indiana, 4-8 Nebraska, 5-7 Maryland (who almost beat them), and get to play a 4 loss Northwestern for a CONFERENCE Championship game. **** me what an easy schedule.. both in conference and out of conference.

Bama has to play LSU, Texas A&M, MS. St, and Auburn every year plus a real championship game against a 1 loss Georgia.

LSU, Texas A&M, MS State and Auburn were not that good this year. But pointing that out is somehow CRAZY. How dare anybody point out that every suingle SEC team isn't super awesome every year.

Aside from that, nothing you wrote has anything to do with my point. The point being that Bama is a bit of an unknown because they haven't been challenged.

Ohio State played a much tougher schedule. Purdue is good on offense and presents a challenge. It exposed weaknesses on Ohio State's defense. Weaknesses they could address.

Bama has not been challenged at all. The SEC has some ****** offenses. Bama's defense hasn't been tested at all.

That's the only point i was makng. Ohio State was able to blow out Michigan because Ohio State played some highly competitive games that prepared them for a fight. Bama hasn't.

As Tomlin says, Iron makes Iron sharp. Bama's been cutting wet noodles.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Seriously? So tell me how the weather prevents the Big Ten from competing against themselves because of "weather". Why isn't the Pac-10 the greatest conference since they have great weather in half of the conference all the time. Why is USC, UCLA and Cal not perennial college dynasties?

It's not the weather. It's a higher commitment to academics and le$$ motivated recruiting.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Yes, with only 4 spots, undefeated UCF should get an invite before any one loss team. No, I do not think they are one of the four best teams, but it shouldn’t matter what anyone thinks.

I also feel UCF should be in the playoff. They are not one of the 4 best teams but if they are denied again, then you are essentially saying they are ineligible to play for the championship. They should sue the NCAA for fraud. They have set up a system where only half their teams are actually eligible to compete for the prize.

It's like selling tickets for a raffle and half of the tickets are fake but you still collected their money.

I hear people say that if you want to be taken seriously then you have to play a better schedule. That's bullshit. Why? Because it is simply not logistically possible for all 117(?) FBS teams to play a schedule deemed tough enough that they can get invited to the playoff.

The playoff should be 8 teams. The minimum should be 6. That would be the 5 conference champs plus a wildcard. with the top 2 seeds getting a bye. The wildcard must go to a non-power 5 team if ranked in the top 15, otherwise it can go to anybody.

 

[Vader]

Whichever team lost out on OBJECTIVE tie-breaker criteria. For example: conference champ, best record, strength of schedule, margin of victory, etc.

If the Steelers were to tank their last 4 games but still win the weak AFC North at 9-6-1, I wouldn’t be in favor of some committee stepping in and determining that a wildcard from a stronger division get in the playoffs instead of them.

You can't compare a professional football sport with 100+ college teams. Also I was asking you who you'd put in there. There are no object tie breaker criteria for any sport other than wins and losses. In college you have too many teams to do that. SOS is subjective because people are figuring out who is better than whom.

 

[Vader]

LSU, Texas A&M, MS State and Auburn were not that good this year. But pointing that out is somehow CRAZY. How dare anybody point out that every suingle SEC team isn't super awesome every year.

Aside from that, nothing you wrote has anything to do with my point. The point being that Bama is a bit of an unknown because they haven't been challenged.

Ohio State played a much tougher schedule. Purdue is good on offense and presents a challenge. It exposed weaknesses on Ohio State's defense. Weaknesses they could address.

Bama has not been challenged at all. The SEC has some ****** offenses. Bama's defense hasn't been tested at all.

That's the only point i was makng. Ohio State was able to blow out Michigan because Ohio State played some highly competitive games that prepared them for a fight. Bama hasn't.

As Tomlin says, Iron makes Iron sharp. Bama's been cutting wet noodles.

You're bias is just off the charts. Please show me the SOS of OSU compared to Bama. Just because OSU is having trouble beating horrible teams like Maryland that doesn't mean their SOS is good. It just means OSU is struggling.

It's not the weather. It's a higher commitment to academics and le$$ motivated recruiting.

Bullshit and bias.

 

[Super Dave]

No I say the BIG TEN would look just like the SEC if they played in the south.

it is not even December yet..........

 

[Troglodyte]

You can't compare a professional football sport with 100+ college teams. Also I was asking you who you'd put in there. There are no object tie breaker criteria for any sport other than wins and losses. In college you have too many teams to do that. SOS is subjective because people are figuring out who is better than whom.

The 100+ teams is exactly why a four team playoff field is absurd. There are objective tie-breakers other than wins and losses, anything based on a number is objective. SOS is objective when you base it on opponents cumulative winning percentage.

 

[RollRed]

Sure they should. Why should an average team in a bad conference get in over a better team in a better conference? You don't want the best team's playing for the NC. You want conference champs playing against each other even if one conference champ isn't that good. Why should the SEC be punished for being the best conference?

My thoughts exactly.... if Georgia loses 28-24 to Alabama, does that make them less deserving than Ohio St. beating Northwestern 42-10 or Clemson beating Pitt 35-0? Not hardly. Pitt is barely a .500 team, but has a chance...albeit a slim one... to be conference champs. If they somehow pull it off, does that make them one of the top 4 teams in the country, deserving a shot at the national championship?

 

[Troglodyte]

My thoughts exactly.... if Georgia loses 28-24 to Alabama, does that make them less deserving than Ohio St. beating Northwestern 42-10 or Clemson beating Pitt 35-0? Not hardly. Pitt is barely a .500 team, but has a chance...albeit a slim one... to be conference champs. If they somehow pull it off, does that make them one of the top 4 teams in the country, deserving a shot at the national championship?

Two losses makes them less deserving than undefeated UCF, I’m certain of that. If Pitt upsets Clemson, I would argue that makes UCF deserving as they blew Pitt out.

 

[Vader]

Two losses makes them less deserving than undefeated UCF, I’m certain of that. If Pitt upsets Clemson, I would argue that makes UCF deserving as they blew Pitt out.

Yea, the committee isn't putting a two loss team in the big game. What is UCF's SOS? Have they played anybody this year?

 

[Spike]

I also feel UCF should be in the playoff.

ayep, the big games start this weekend, I hope they have some warm clime venues