Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

And there we have it. You get your knowledge from Google.

But I'll play your game. The very very first result...

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Damn you make this far, far, far too easy son. It's like being a college professor and arguing with someone in primary school.

Every link that recommends people get the vaccine mutters the same line: "...because even after having COVID, you 'might' be subject to reinfection."

That's it. That's the logic. "MIGHT" get reinfected.

"The good people of Denmark have once again provided their excellent, centralized healthcare data to save us all, this time allowing researchers to track the COVID-19 infection rates of 4 million Danes last year, to see how many were infected twice. The results were published in The Lancet last week.

The study found that just 0.65% of people who tested positive for COVID-19 in the spring were reinfected later in the year. "

This is where you, Tibs, and Liberals in general are so damned dangerous. If Rick Madcow tells you "people are getting reinfected" you all take this as gospel, swear to it, drink that **** up and run around places like these screaming "Everyone's gonna get reinfected, you all have to get the vaccine!"

Except....you just don't know what you are talking about

AIER.org? First result? An economic website for Covid information? What the **** is your search engine on?

DENMARK! You mean the Nordic country used for comparison in showing Sweden’s Covid failure? That Denmark?

MIGHT? Yes, might. I knew I MIGHT get Covid, but I didn’t, nor did anyone in my family despite two of them being essential workers that worked in public settings. Coincidence that we wore masks and got vaccinated and DIDN’T get Covid? MIGHT be, but I give that a 0.65% chance.

And we’re almost six months removed from the end of 2020. Are you certain that none of those people could have lost their antibodies since then? Are you arguing that natural antibodies last forever? Based on what?

 

[Steeltime]

MIGHT? Yes, might. I knew I MIGHT get Covid, but I didn’t, nor did anyone in my family despite two of them being essential workers that worked in public settings.

As opposed to unessential workers, like you?

Coincidence that we wore masks and got vaccinated and DIDN’T get Covid? MIGHT be, but I give that a 0.65% chance.

Dr. Flog - queen of the anecdotal evidence.

Still waiting on a published research study - one, just one - showing that cloth masks used by the general public have any effect on the spread of the Chinese flu. Fourth time I have asked. TSF has asked six times or more.

You have been asked for such data ten times, not one substantive response. Loosen your manbun and find the research, Dr. Floggy!!

And we’re almost six months removed from the end of 2020. Are you certain that none of those people could have lost their antibodies since then? Are you arguing that natural antibodies last forever? Based on what?

You are the simpleton proposing that natural antibodies dissipate for some reason. Why don't you post a credible source supporting your hypothesis, Dr. Floggy??

You know, from the same site that offers research data showing lay citizens wearing cloth masks has a positive effect on the spread of the Chinese flu. Go ahead, Floggy. We've been waiting.

 

[oneforthebus]

AIER.org? First result? An economic website for Covid information? What the **** is your search engine on?

DENMARK! You mean the Nordic country used for comparison in showing Sweden’s Covid failure? That Denmark?

MIGHT? Yes, might. I knew I MIGHT get Covid, but I didn’t, nor did anyone in my family despite two of them being essential workers that worked in public settings. Coincidence that we wore masks and got vaccinated and DIDN’T get Covid? MIGHT be, but I give that a 0.65% chance.

And we’re almost six months removed from the end of 2020. Are you certain that none of those people could have lost their antibodies since then? Are you arguing that natural antibodies last forever? Based on what?

Do you really think that the only people who got covid are people who didn't wear masks when they were supposed to?

REALLY?

I mean medical professionals wore masks constantly and probably better quality masks than most...but many of them STILL got covid. In fact among my friends who are medical professionals, I don't know any who didn't get covid. Including one who was the most adamant person about mask wearing that I ever met. She is the director of a Hispanic immigrant focused community health center who saw plenty of covid so she was EXTREMELY cautious.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

AIER.org? First result? An economic website for Covid information? What the **** is your search engine on?

DENMARK! You mean the Nordic country used for comparison in showing Sweden’s Covid failure? That Denmark?

MIGHT? Yes, might. I knew I MIGHT get Covid, but I didn’t, nor did anyone in my family despite two of them being essential workers that worked in public settings. Coincidence that we wore masks and got vaccinated and DIDN’T get Covid? MIGHT be, but I give that a 0.65% chance.

And we’re almost six months removed from the end of 2020. Are you certain that none of those people could have lost their antibodies since then? Are you arguing that natural antibodies last forever? Based on what?

And there you go again, stepping into a thread making unsubstantiated claims, and when provided with STUDIES, you pull your hair out, attack the sources, and call "current" studies and science bogus because they don't mirror the ideology you pledged faith to a year ago.

Having had COVID is nearly as, or more effective than having the vaccine.

You challenged me to use Google. OK. Bitchslap commences in 3....2.....1......

Covid-19 reinfections are rare — but without better data, we don't how rare

Experts say the country and individual states don't have a strong system to determine how frequently people are getting reinfected.

www.statnews.com

The notion of reinfections is not some unexpected twist in the rollercoaster pandemic. Scientists anticipate that with a respiratory infection like Covid-19, people won’t be protected for life after recovering from an initial case. Rather, the immunity generated from their first infection will wane over time. But one predominant hypothesis is that whatever reinfections occur with Covid-19 will generally (with some exceptions) be milder than the initial case, perhaps even asymptomatic. Even if the immune system can’t fend off the virus entirely, it still remembers the pathogen well enough to vanquish it quickly.

But so far, the available research suggests just a tiny subset of the more than 30 million people in the United States — and 132 million globally — who’ve had a confirmed Covid-19 case have become infected again. Studies indicate that the vast majority of people mount a robust and long-lasting immune response after being infected for the first time with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. A study that followed health care workers in U.K. for six months, for example, found that those who had an initial Covid-19 infection carried protective antibodies for the length of the study period; the few who tested positive again generally had no symptoms (it’s unclear, though, if they could still transmit the virus). A study out of Denmark also found reinfections were rare, though they were more common in people 65 and up.

“We anticipate reinfections will be a part of the epidemiology at some point, but I don’t think they’re accounting for the cases now in any major shape or form,” said Michael Diamond, a viral immunologist at Washington University in St. Louis. He noted in the U.S., the biggest wave of cases occurred only recently, at the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021.

“The majority of people who’ve had prior infection in the recent past” — six months, he said — “are going to have protection against” the forms of the virus that are dominant in the U.S. now.

Previous COVID-19 may cut risk of reinfection 84%

COVID-19 survivors also had a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection within 7 months.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Natural immunity vs vaccine protection​

In a commentary in the same journal, Florian Krammer, PhD, of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, said that although natural infection tends to induce lower and more variable antibody concentrations than COVID-19 vaccines, "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.

Study: COVID-19 Reinfections Are Rare, Although More Common in Older Adults

Researchers found no evidence that protection against COVID-19 reinfection declined within a 6-month follow-up period.

www.pharmacytimes.com

Researchers found no evidence that protection against COVID-19 reinfection declined within a 6-month follow-up period.

Although prior infection with COVID-19 protects most people against reinfection, new research has found that people over 65 years of age have a greater risk, with only 47% protection against repeat infection compared to 80% protection for younger people.
A large-scale assessment of reinfection rates in Denmark confirmed that only 0.65% of people returned a positive PCR test twice. However, their findings also noted that adults 65 years of age or older were at a significantly higher risk.
The investigators analyzed data collected as part of Denmark’s national COVID-19 testing strategy, through which more than two-thirds of the population were tested in 2020. Free, national PCR testing is a central part of Denmark’s strategy to control COVID-19, which differentiates it from other countries, according to the study authors.

COVID-19 reinfection rate around 0.4%, Epic data suggests

about 0.4 percent of patients who previously tested positive for COVID-19 tested positive again after 90 days, according to Epic Health Research Network data released April 23.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

About 0.4 percent of patients who previously tested positive for COVID-19 tested positive again after 90 days, according to Epic Health Research Network data released April 23.

Researchers at the Verona, Wis.-based company analyzed lab test data from 98 healthcare organizations covering 63 million patients. According to the CDC, a positive test within 90 days of initial onset of illness is more likely to represent continued viral shedding than reinfection, so researchers focused on results after 90 days.

Epic data found 396,883 patients who had at least one positive result, and 37,489 patients who had two or more positive test results during the study. Only 0.4 percent of the patients, or 1,601 patients, had a subsequent positive test at least 90 days after their initial positive test, indicating possible reinfection.

How much more of this can you possibly take?

 

[Steeltime]

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I gotta admit, sometimes I almost feel sorry for the guy.

 

[Troglodyte]

Do you really think that the only people who got covid are people who didn't wear masks when they were supposed to?

REALLY?

I mean medical professionals wore masks constantly and probably better quality masks than most...but many of them STILL got covid. In fact among my friends who are medical professionals, I don't know any who didn't get covid. Including one who was the most adamant person about mask wearing that I ever met. She is the director of a Hispanic immigrant focused community health center who saw plenty of covid so she was EXTREMELY cautious.

So you think if medical professionals hadn’t worn masks at all that it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference?

I work for several hundred doctors, a handful of which got Covid.

 

[Troglodyte]

And there you go again, stepping into a thread making unsubstantiated claims, and when provided with STUDIES, you pull your hair out, attack the sources, and call "current" studies and science bogus because they don't mirror the ideology you pledged faith to a year ago.

Having had COVID is nearly as, or more effective than having the vaccine.

You challenged me to use Google. OK. Bitchslap commences in 3....2.....1......

Covid-19 reinfections are rare — but without better data, we don't how rare

Experts say the country and individual states don't have a strong system to determine how frequently people are getting reinfected.

www.statnews.com

Previous COVID-19 may cut risk of reinfection 84%

COVID-19 survivors also had a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection within 7 months.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

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Study: COVID-19 Reinfections Are Rare, Although More Common in Older Adults

Researchers found no evidence that protection against COVID-19 reinfection declined within a 6-month follow-up period.

www.pharmacytimes.com

Researchers found no evidence that protection against COVID-19 reinfection declined within a 6-month follow-up period.

COVID-19 reinfection rate around 0.4%, Epic data suggests

about 0.4 percent of patients who previously tested positive for COVID-19 tested positive again after 90 days, according to Epic Health Research Network data released April 23.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

How much more of this can you possibly take?

“But it’s rare!”

100% of the Trump’s family living in the Whitehouse got Covid.

75% of Tim’s family got Covid.

0% of Trog’s family got Covid.

 

[Steeltime]

So you think if medical professionals hadn’t worn masks at all that it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference?

I work for several hundred doctors, a handful of which got Covid.

Idiots. They should've worn masks. Oh, they did?

So that helps your theory?

 

[Steeltime]

100% of the Trump’s family living in the Whitehouse got Covid.

75% of Tim’s family got Covid.

0% of Trog’s family got Covid.

To be fair, Trump and TSF have wives, kids. I think you have a feral cat and I did not hear of cats getting the Chinese flu.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

So you think if medical professionals hadn’t worn masks at all that it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference?

I work for several hundred doctors, a handful of which got Covid.

Ahh but the difference is huge, Medical professionals know how to properly fit, use , handle and dispose of PPE. They also had real masks, mostly, not the ridiculous things people are using purely to feel safer with no real scientific basis.

 

[hamster]

Because the vaccine is a better bet at immunity. They don’t know how long natural antibodies last or if it’s consistent from person to person. Getting the vaccine has also shown to help Covid long haulers finally recover from their symptoms.

I don't know if what you said is proven. A lot isn't proven at this point. But I have heard that the virus itself will stimulate T cell immunity, whereas the Mrna vaccines do not. It is why my Doctor friend is hesitating on getting the vaccine for his 14 yo. His thinking is that she can get better immunity by her getting the virus, with little risk. The Israel vaccine model and study has shown that just one dose of the vaccine is typically good enough for protection. Time will tell.

 

[oneforthebus]

So you think if medical professionals hadn’t worn masks at all that it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference?

I work for several hundred doctors, a handful of which got Covid.

I didn't say it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. You said it's no coincidence that you wore masks and didn't get covid. Um, yeah it kind of is. Plenty of people wore masks and still got covid. That was my point. Masks might reduce risk a little but they certainly don't eliminate risk. If they did we'd have far fewer cases. Like I've said before, where I live people wear them everywhere. I was in Walmart today where they've lifted the mandate and tons of people are vaccinated and almost everyone still had them on. Lots of people still got covid here.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

“But it’s rare!”

100% of the Trump’s family living in the Whitehouse got Covid.

75% of Tim’s family got Covid.

0% of Trog’s family got Covid.

What an incredible admission of defeat. After being beaten down to a bloody, blithering pulp with facts, you're back to conjecture, again. Anecdotes.

All of those people got COVID. All of those people are alive. All of those people now have antibodies and internal defense systems to a virus that just isn't that damned deadly, a virus that has had you cowering and shaking in utter fear.

Seriously, THROW THE TOWEL. Regardless, let's recap. Your words:

Hypoflog: Because the vaccine is a better bet at immunity. They don’t know how long natural antibodies last or if it’s consistent from person to person.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. I pointed to countless studies that disprove your unsubstantiated claims.

Hypoflog: OK, Tim. Google “Why get Covid vaccine if you’ve had Covid” and see if it tells you anything different than what I have stated.

I did! By God, I do something you never do. RESEARCH. Lo and behold (let's be honest, I already knew this)...you are just as if not more safe after having had COVID and do not need to get a vaccine.

Hypoflog: Think of the vaccine as a booster to natural antibodies.



Hypoflog: And we’re almost six months removed from the end of 2020. Are you certain that none of those people could have lost their antibodies since then? Are you arguing that natural antibodies last forever? Based on what?

Ummmm....based on the non-59-genders-science I posted above that studied countless millions of people and showed that their antibodies seem to be lasting...still...to...this....day.

On every single point, you have been proven incorrect again by scientists, medical professionals, and me.

You're welcome.

 

[JMM]

I work for several hundred doctors, a handful of which got Covid.

Probably mainly due to being out on the links. Lots of clean air out there.

 

[Steeltime]

Floggy, valiantly defending his arguments. He is immune to ...

"Flog, can you hear me? Do you know where you are?"

 

[Superman]

So you think if medical professionals hadn’t worn masks at all that it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference?

I work for several hundred doctors, a handful of which got Covid.

did you lecture those MAGAtards on not getting the vaccine?
per your own words, if you get the vaccine, you're incapable of getting the virus.

i assume (***-YOU-me) that you also lectured them religiously on wearing a mask. I mean, these MAGAtards were obviously just willy nilly with wearing a mask, throwing caution to the wind and letting their masks fall down under their chin and onto the ground, where countless other masks have fallen (thereby polluting the environment, but that's another discussion).

You state you work for several hundred doctors. Based on how you said your family members work in "public settings" (I'm assuming as mimes in a park), then we can deduce that you work in a private setting. One doesnt work in a private setting for "several hundred doctors" and not also be working from home.

which obviously means you've sheltered and hunkered down. you want others to do the same, so you dont feel like a complete dweeb.
you also admit to working in some capacity in the healthcare field.

which means you've not missed a single paycheck, nor had your pay cut, and have probably even experienced a pay increase.

you're a special tard, Flog. real special.

 

[Troglodyte]

Ahh but the difference is huge, Medical professionals know how to properly fit, use , handle and dispose of PPE. They also had real masks, mostly, not the ridiculous things people are using purely to feel safer with no real scientific basis.

I’m well aware of people “wearing” masks like beard nets.

Tim’s argument is that masks don’t work, NOT that they are being improperly used. He hasn’t been arguing that KN95 mask mandates should replace mask mandates.

 

[Troglodyte]

I didn't say it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. You said it's no coincidence that you wore masks and didn't get covid. Um, yeah it kind of is. Plenty of people wore masks and still got covid. That was my point. Masks might reduce risk a little but they certainly don't eliminate risk. If they did we'd have far fewer cases. Like I've said before, where I live people wear them everywhere. I was in Walmart today where they've lifted the mandate and tons of people are vaccinated and almost everyone still had them on. Lots of people still got covid here.

And I never said masks eliminate risk. People still catch colds and flu from others, but nobody argued that we should abandon the things we do to reduce the spread. Then came Covid...

 

[Troglodyte]

What an incredible admission of defeat. After being beaten down to a bloody, blithering pulp with facts, you're back to conjecture, again. Anecdotes.

All of those people got COVID. All of those people are alive. All of those people now have antibodies and internal defense systems to a virus that just isn't that damned deadly, a virus that has had you cowering and shaking in utter fear.

Seriously, THROW THE TOWEL. Regardless, let's recap. Your words:

Hypoflog: Because the vaccine is a better bet at immunity. They don’t know how long natural antibodies last or if it’s consistent from person to person.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. I pointed to countless studies that disprove your unsubstantiated claims.

Hypoflog: OK, Tim. Google “Why get Covid vaccine if you’ve had Covid” and see if it tells you anything different than what I have stated.

I did! By God, I do something you never do. RESEARCH. Lo and behold (let's be honest, I already knew this)...you are just as if not more safe after having had COVID and do not need to get a vaccine.

Hypoflog: Think of the vaccine as a booster to natural antibodies.



Hypoflog: And we’re almost six months removed from the end of 2020. Are you certain that none of those people could have lost their antibodies since then? Are you arguing that natural antibodies last forever? Based on what?

Ummmm....based on the non-59-genders-science I posted above that studied countless millions of people and showed that their antibodies seem to be lasting...still...to...this....day.

On every single point, you have been proven incorrect again by scientists, medical professionals, and me.

You're welcome.

No, I’m saying the same thing Fauci, Walenski, etc. are saying. They are scientists and medical professionals. You’re a Covid flatearther confused by his infected family.

And where is your science that while the vaccine will require a booster, natural antibodies last forever?

 

[IndySteel]

Then came Covid...

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Troglodyte]

did you lecture those MAGAtards on not getting the vaccine?
per your own words, if you get the vaccine, you're incapable of getting the virus.

i assume (***-YOU-me) that you also lectured them religiously on wearing a mask. I mean, these MAGAtards were obviously just willy nilly with wearing a mask, throwing caution to the wind and letting their masks fall down under their chin and onto the ground, where countless other masks have fallen (thereby polluting the environment, but that's another discussion).

You state you work for several hundred doctors. Based on how you said your family members work in "public settings" (I'm assuming as mimes in a park), then we can deduce that you work in a private setting. One doesnt work in a private setting for "several hundred doctors" and not also be working from home.

which obviously means you've sheltered and hunkered down. you want others to do the same, so you dont feel like a complete dweeb.
you also admit to working in some capacity in the healthcare field.

which means you've not missed a single paycheck, nor had your pay cut, and have probably even experienced a pay increase.

you're a special tard, Flog. real special.

I didn’t lecture anyone. The ideas that masks don’t work, the vaccine will alter your dna or isn’t safe just, etc. aren’t topics of conversation among the medical community.

Missing paychecks has nothing to do with the efficacy of masks or the vaccine, Superirrelevantman.

 

[IndySteel]

0% of Trog’s family got Covid.

0% of my family got kung flu.

 

[steel dino]

Good Morning...

As always....this debate is without comparison...and I mean that with all sincerity. It has everything needed to have been an outstanding podcast!

Just think of the money that you guys could of made off this discussion if it was stated as a podcast as opposed to being on a Football message board....Just saying...

Carry on...and thank you.