Covid Vaccine

[madinsomniac]

I've been impressed with Israel's health department and how they share data. Seems thorough and complete and they have nothing to hide. Why can't we do that? We are the USA.

Because our simps honestly believe that line in the MIB movie about why people have to be shielded from the truth… it’s foolish and idiotic… just put everything out there… are some simps going to still concoct weird reasons not to follow the data, sure, but most people are more reassured when the stats and data dont look like an agenda narrative…

Sure there will be warts… id rather take the statistical risk when im sure the risk calculation is legit and im not missing parts of the equation

Its like the fda totally breaking protocol and approving pfizer… that reassures nobody with a half of a braincell… if anything it raises more red flags..

Just be honest with the population.. they don’t need managed..

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Just be honest with the population.. they don’t need managed..

This goes against everything our Government has done or their operational methods for decades, perhaps many.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Meanwhile, **** is beginning to get hot in NYC. And Democrats find themselves in a real pickle here.

Blacks, being denied service (racism) based on mandates have had enough. Fights. Protests. Rising up. Today some tore down a Covid testing center.

Water's close to boiling? Looks a bit like Australia.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Floggy do be not gonna like this.

Predictable replies:

• Perspective!!
• JFC!
• OMG!
• But South Dakota

Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases

Despite having some of the highest vaccination rates in the country, the six New England states are grappling with effects of the delta surge in cases and the strains on the health care system.

Case counts in Vermont, which has continually boasted about high vaccination and low hospitalization and death rates, are the highest during the pandemic.

“Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid in September were unvaccinated.”

The head of UMass Memorial Health, the largest health system in central Massachusetts, said recently that regional hospitals were seeing nearly 20 times more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Damn, even peaceful New Zealanders rising up.



More than 2,000 protesters took to the Auckland War Memorial on Sunday to protest lingering lockdown mandates in one of New Zealand’s largest cities. New Zealand politician and Christian leader Brian Tamaki organized the event. “Today we are facing a Government we thought we could trust. Instead they are stripping away the freedoms and rights of everyday Kiwis.”

 

[JMM]

Damn, even peaceful New Zealanders rising up.



More than 2,000 protesters took to the Auckland War Memorial on Sunday to protest lingering lockdown mandates in one of New Zealand’s largest cities. New Zealand politician and Christian leader Brian Tamaki organized the event. “Today we are facing a Government we thought we could trust. Instead they are stripping away the freedoms and rights of everyday Kiwis.”

I see where Steeler Kiwi was present and wearing #43

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Making Healthcare Better.

How many that need care will suffer or die because there aren't enough medical personnel to help them?

Liberal policies need a massive readjustment.

400 Henry Ford Hospital employees resign en masse over Vaccine mandate​

Roughly 6% of the remaining workforce of 33,000 employees were granted religious or medical exemptions. About 1,900 requests for exemptions have been granted.

Nearly all the exemptions were granted for religious reasons with just a handful for medical reasons, according to Dr. Adnan Munkarah, Henry Ford’s executive vice president and chief clinical officer. About 250 requests for religious exemptions were denied, he said.

Henry Ford, which this summer became the first Michigan health system to require employees to get a Covid vaccine as a condition of continued employment, released the data following a deadline it had set for last Friday for workers to get at least a first vaccine dose.

 

[Steelworth]

Just be honest with the population

Sorry, but:

 

[SteelChip]

 

[Troglodyte]

Oh for ***** sake. You really do suck at this. Can you understand the difference between a propaganda/marketing piece and a science paper? Seriously, can you?

You call this "latest" data but clearly didn't read the article, realizing this "doctor" references old data....pay attention.

For ***** sake man, think instead of reading headlines. You do realize this is OLD, dated data??



She questions natural immunity (admitting she does not KNOW if it truly works or not) then references the CDC study in Kentucky of "hundreds of people".....



She's such a good doctor. From Boston Medical Center. An infectious diseases person. You'd think she'd have been aware of the largest study of its kind, done in Israel with 800,000 people (not hundreds like Kentucky) that showed the vaccinated are 13.2x more likely to contract Covid than those naturally immune?

Is it not odd that she leans towards a "hundreds of people" study vs one of "millions?"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

Would you mind sharing this link with this esteemed doctor who speculates that natural immunity might not work?

Meanwhile, you still suck at this. If you're going to try to compete, don't provide links to new articles that reference old studies based on 12 people.

WRONG! It wasn’t based on 800,000. The 13 fold difference was based on only 238 vaccinated infections (a 1% infection rate mind you) and 19 reinfections.

Funny how you ask me to share a link when you didn’t. Maybe you knew your argument’s flaw?

AAAS

www.science.org

 

[Superman]

Floggy do be not gonna like this.

Predictable replies:

• Perspective!!
• JFC!
• OMG!
• But South Dakota

Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases

Despite having some of the highest vaccination rates in the country, the six New England states are grappling with effects of the delta surge in cases and the strains on the health care system.

Case counts in Vermont, which has continually boasted about high vaccination and low hospitalization and death rates, are the highest during the pandemic.

“Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid in September were unvaccinated.”

The head of UMass Memorial Health, the largest health system in central Massachusetts, said recently that regional hospitals were seeing nearly 20 times more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare.

yeah, but Vermont relocated. They're no longer in the NE part of the country.
/Flog

 

[Troglodyte]

So you're saying the vaccines don't work?

Posting articles like this is NOT the proper way for you to campaign for everyone to get the jabby jab.

The vaccinated death was a 72 year old kidney transplant recipient, Tim.

 

[Superman]

Read the article… or keep being anti-intellectual.

its been said before, and will be said again, but you really do suck at this.

Political orientation predicts science denial – here's what that means for getting Americans vaccinated against COVID-19

Republicans are four times as likely as Democrats to say they’re not going to get the COVID-19 vaccine. What’s behind the polarization of who trusts or denies science?

theconversation.com

As I discuss in my book, “The Truth About Denial,” I think that science denial, including COVID-19 vaccine denial, is probably best seen as the result of...

some cherry picked stats for a book hawking piece by a Philosophy professor

Adrian Bardon

Adrian Bardon — Profile on The Conversation

theconversation.com

look at the dude's twitter feed. he's all about labeling people as being "anti-science". Which means that he, like you, considers science static and never changing. which, in itself, is anti-science.

**** outta here with this bullshit.

you really do suck at this.

 

[Troglodyte]

yeah, but Vermont relocated. They're no longer in the NE part of the country.
/Flog

At it’s Delta peak, Vermont had 35 cases/100k, Florida had 135. The vaccines work.

 

[Troglodyte]

its been said before, and will be said again, but you really do suck at this.

Political orientation predicts science denial – here's what that means for getting Americans vaccinated against COVID-19

Republicans are four times as likely as Democrats to say they’re not going to get the COVID-19 vaccine. What’s behind the polarization of who trusts or denies science?

theconversation.com

some cherry picked stats for a book hawking piece by a Philosophy professor

Adrian Bardon

Adrian Bardon — Profile on The Conversation

theconversation.com

look at the dude's twitter feed. he's all about labeling people as being "anti-science". Which means that he, like you, considers science static and never changing. which, in itself, is anti-science.

**** outta here with this bullshit.

you really do suck at this.

“Science never changing” would be calling Covid “the flu”.

Strange that whenever the CDC changed its guidelines, it wasn’t “the science changed” it was “they lied to us!”.

 

[madinsomniac]

At it’s Delta peak, Vermont had 35 cases/100k, Florida had 135. The vaccines work.

Tested cases.. you continue to utterly ignore the reality that the vast majority of cases show no symptoms so the people never get tested… or that vaccinated people do not have to be tested under many policies so cases are more likely to be missed…

 

[Superman]

At it’s Delta peak, Vermont had 35 cases/100k, Florida had 135. The vaccines work.

incorrect statement.
the "shot" works. it is not a vaccine. it is a preventive therapeutic. it is not a vaccine.
and you assume that Vermont has reached its peak.
even when state officials are not so sure that has happened.

 

[Superman]

“Science never changing” would be calling Covid “the flu”.

Strange that whenever the CDC changed its guidelines, it wasn’t “the science changed” it was “they lied to us!”.

i never said they lied.
i understand science changes.
WooFloo is the Chinese Flu.
which you've still not identified as being Chinese in origin.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I present to each of you, the sheer, epic level of Flog stupidity, in one post.

WRONG! It wasn’t based on 800,000. The 13 fold difference was based on only 238 vaccinated infections (a 1% infection rate mind you) and 19 reinfections.

Correct. The study in Israel was conducted with a study group of 800,000.

Landmark mass study finds vaccinated people 13 times more likely to catch COVID-19 than those who have recovered and have natural immunity

A study of 800,000 people in Israel has found that natural immunity in people who have recovered from an earlier COVID-19 infection is vastly superior to the immunity acquired by vaccination using two of the major vaccines in use. &nbs...

www.americanthinker.com

A study of 800,000 people in Israel has found that natural immunity in people who have recovered from an earlier COVID-19 infection is vastly superior to the immunity acquired by vaccination using two of the major vaccines in use.

Funny how you ask me to share a link when you didn’t. Maybe you knew your argument’s flaw?

Funny how you just exposed yourself as a collossal, epic failure. Note from my post, the embedded link. Proof you never read what people write.
Because the link didn't make a pretty little pop up window, Floggy don't see it. Floggy dumbass.



You suck epically at this

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The vaccinated death was a 72 year old kidney transplant recipient, Tim.

So you're saying the vaccines don't work ESPECIALLY with the most at risk group?

Or you're saying the vaccine really just works on the young - who are not at risk from the virus?

Do you even know what your platform is anymore?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

At it’s Delta peak, Vermont had 35 cases/100k, Florida had 135. The vaccines work.

Over the months, as Vermont has worsened, you've always fallen back to the little baby-boy, weak-*** position of saying "but Vermont is small, Vermont's cases are low, blah blah."

Bullshit.

Vermont is much bigger than that bullshit Kentucky study you point to that the CDC points to about natural immunity. You'll use 258 people as some form of proof point but ignore an entire state...or the entire nation of Israel.

The vaccines work....far less effectively than they did early this year. 40% less effective in most cases. Rising breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, deaths among the vaccinated make you a liar.

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88 percent of all eligible Vermonters (age 12 and over) had been vaccinated with at least one shot.​

"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
Vermont — 76% of recent deaths are ‘breakthrough’ cases


"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
“Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid in September were unvaccinated.”

"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
Regional hospitals saw nearly 20x more Covid patients than in June and there isn’t an ICU bed to spare.

"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
While leading the nation in vaccination, Vermont has hit its highest case load ever.



"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy
Oct. 3, 2021 - (AP) – Despite having the highest vaccination rates in the country...parts of New England are seeing record casess, hospitalizations and deaths that rival pre-vaccine peaks


"The vaccines work." -- /Floggy

 

[Steeltime]

Headline from an article Floggy linked and apparently did not read:

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital​

OMG! LOL!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

"The vaccines aren't waning." -- /Floggy

Vermont's Dept of Health makes you a liar, again.

Rate of new cases by vaccination status​

The vaccines wane faster than you shift positions.

 

[oneforthebus]

I really don't get this line of thinking. Natural immunity may wane over time. Therefore it is essential that you get the vaccine right away cause....oh uh vaccine immunity also wanes over time.

 

[Sarge]

I really don't get this line of thinking. Natural immunity may wane over time. Therefore it is essential that you get the vaccine right away cause....oh uh vaccine immunity also wanes over time.

To my knowledge, they haven't really studied natural immunity with this virus. There's anecdotal **** here and there, but nothing anyone can really hang their hat on as data. It's nuts, if you ask me. They are full throttle on vaccines, and to them there is no other option despite the fact that the vaccines are waning and aren't nearly as good as they started. There are medicines and therapies that work, but the left ridicules all of them. Why we are not using everything we have in our arsenal to fight this **** is beyond me. It makes no sense. I can't imagine why anyone would be skeptical of a science that rejects all that stuff and says "vaccine only, or we will shun you from society."