Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

Minnesota!

Yes, cases are up to 52/100k and deaths are currently at .44/100k

Minnesota's 7 day case average: up 12%
Minnesota's 7 day deaths average: up 38%

RISING. Increasing.

West Virginia's cases are -3% over 7 days and deaths are up 3%.

God damn at this moment in time, which state is on the right trajectory?

, regardless those are both considerably lower (2.37X and 2.64X) than their all-time highs set back in November 2020 (Pre-Vaccine).

Oh? Where do you get your information, Mother Jones? This is "considerably lower cases??"

The vaccines work, and work really well, but people have to get vaccinated for them to work.

You keep making this claim and keep getting shown...nah. Not.

Good vaccines, you know, like the polio vaccine...get rid of the problem. You don't see waves like these after the country is 56.4% fully vaxed with close to half the population carrying natural immunity.

These are marginally effective "shots" at best.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

3. If the vaccinated can still be infected, spread the virus to others, and become seriously ill to the point of being hospitalized, why aren't they being tested as well?

This is why, as Mad has pointed out, all of the current case data is bullshit. The unvaxed are being tested at MUCH higher rates, thus the positive case test results show more unvaxed people infected. Vaxed people aren't being tested because they keep getting lied to that the vaccines protect them.

When they DO test, like they did in MA, they are stunned to find 40% of cases are among the vaxed.

It's dangerous roulette.

 

[Superman]

What??? So any college student, or anyone who wants to be a college student, can go anywhere on any college campus? No. They have to meet certain requirements to gain access. What is false about that statement?

I can walk onto any college campus right now. That's not trespassing.
again, you're speaking about two things that are not equal.

trespassing is essentially entry without permission. there is another definition for trespass, but you're unwilling to see that "trespass to a person" (which, per your favorite generic link is defined as - an unlawful act committed on the person, property, or rights of another especially : a wrongful entry on real property. b : the legal action for injuries resulting from trespass. 2a : a violation of moral or social ethics : transgression especially : sin.)

so, out of one side of your lying, corrupt mouth you're saying that a person is trespassing on a college campus when gaining unlawful entry. nice choice of words. yes, a person can - anyone can - walk onto a college campus. Per security, no one who is not authorized to do so can gain access to college records or the designated secure areas. These are marked and are socially accepted norms. We all know the violations of those.

out of the other side of your lying, corrupted, ignorant mouth, you're not muttering a mere syllable about any unlawful act committed on the person by forcing them to be injected with anything they do not feel comfortable with. yes, YOU might be comfortable injecting yourself, your kids and your family with a "vaccine". That doesn't mean that someone else must also be in agreement.

up is down, down is up, right is might and left is always wrong

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Anecdotal to be sure, but my fully vaccinated (2 doses) niece had to be tested for her employment. Her second dose was approximately 4 months ago, and she showed
ZERO antibodies.

Ya, these vaccines work really well.

 

[Troglodyte]

My son is in a Fraternity at the college and since he's been back to school, three of his mates contracted Covid and one of them was fully vaccinated. Despite being quarantined with these individuals (They were supposed to stay in a room together, but they didn't) My son and his room mate who were both confirmed to have had covid didn't get sick despite being on the same floor and used the same common area outside of their rooms. Why are you and everyone else ignoring, or at the very least, down playing natural antibodies? Why don't we have three categories?

1. Vaccinated
2. Natural Immunity
3. Unvaccinated

Why isn't my son being tested once per month or once per semester to get an accurate measure of his antibody efficacy? Why is it being ignored? Those are the questions that you and no one else in the media care to address. The link that you provided offered no answer for this and in fact, is on par with every other story in simply labeling us all "Unvaccinated". It's maddening

Natural immunity is “being ignored” because it’s not a viable solution to the pandemic. The vaccine most certainly is.

 

[Troglodyte]

Misinformation post. Use https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/

The top 20 vaccinated states show an average overall 7 day drop in average cases of -3.7%
The least 20 vaccinated states show an average overall 7 day drop in average cases of -14.3%.

Current case rates are dropping MORE rapidly in the least vaxed states.

The top 20 vaccinated states show an average overall 7 day increase in daily deaths of 14.75/day.
The least 20 vaccinated states show an average overall 7 day DECREASE in daily deaths of -2.65/day.

Current death rates are increasing in the highest vaxed states and dropping in the least.

That's where we are today, Tuesday.

This is why you don't cherry pick individual states.

Talk about a misinformation post! The percentage decrease is irrelevant when the rates remain higher. Again you brag about the student that brought his grade up to 60% as doing better than the student that saw his grade drop to a 90%.

 

[Troglodyte]

I can walk onto any college campus right now. That's not trespassing.
again, you're speaking about two things that are not equal.

trespassing is essentially entry without permission. there is another definition for trespass, but you're unwilling to see that "trespass to a person" (which, per your favorite generic link is defined as - an unlawful act committed on the person, property, or rights of another especially : a wrongful entry on real property. b : the legal action for injuries resulting from trespass. 2a : a violation of moral or social ethics : transgression especially : sin.)

so, out of one side of your lying, corrupt mouth you're saying that a person is trespassing on a college campus when gaining unlawful entry. nice choice of words. yes, a person can - anyone can - walk onto a college campus. Per security, no one who is not authorized to do so can gain access to college records or the designated secure areas. These are marked and are socially accepted norms. We all know the violations of those.

out of the other side of your lying, corrupted, ignorant mouth, you're not muttering a mere syllable about any unlawful act committed on the person by forcing them to be injected with anything they do not feel comfortable with. yes, YOU might be comfortable injecting yourself, your kids and your family with a "vaccine". That doesn't mean that someone else must also be in agreement.

up is down, down is up, right is might and left is always wrong

Dear lord. Sure, you can walk in a college campus. You CANNOT make yourself at home in a dormitory or sit in on a class. You know, like STUDENTS that have been granted ACCEPTANCE do. That would be trespassing.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Talk about a misinformation post! The percentage decrease is irrelevant when the rates remain higher.

You can't even properly use the word misinformation. It's wrong, untrue or incorrect information. The data I shared is accurate.

The trend indeed matters, you want to dismiss it for ideology.

The states most vaxed are seeing a RISE in deaths and a tiny decrease in cases, while the least vaxed are seeing a large decrease in cases and a smaller decrease in deaths. That's again where we are today.

These results don't happen when you have a a solid vaccine. These are partially effective shots.

Again you brag about the student that brought his grade up to 60% as doing better than the student that saw his grade drop to a 90%.

Again? You can't even properly write. When did I before make any analogy about student grades?

If you want to make this analogy, make it properly. The student who had a 95 (the purported effectiveness of the vaccines) saw his grade slip to 65 (the new effectiveness of the Pfizer vax).

 

[Badcat]

Natural immunity is “being ignored” because it’s not a viable solution to the pandemic. The vaccine most certainly is.

Wait...What? You do know that people are receiving FDA approved antibody treatments for Covid, correct?

So again, I ask you and anyone who can offer a valid answer, why are natural antibodies being ignored?

 

[Superman]

Dear lord. Sure, you can walk in a college campus. You CANNOT make yourself at home in a dormitory or sit in on a class. You know, like STUDENTS that have been granted ACCEPTANCE do. That would be trespassing.

which is not what you said, nor even implied.

 

[Badcat]

This is a fairly long article, but it is well worth the read. Includes cited sources from the points made. I found the answer to my question within the article, and it's what I was afraid of, Laziness.

"Klausner, who is also a medical director of a US testing and vaccine distribution company, says he initiated conversations about offering a fingerprick antibody screen for people with suspected exposure before vaccination, so that doses could be used more judiciously. But “everyone concluded it was just too complicated.”

“It’s a lot easier to put a shot in their arm,” says Sommer. “To do a PCR test or to do an antibody test and then to process it and then to get the information to them and then to let them think about it—it’s a lot easier to just give them the damn vaccine.”

Rest of the Article can be found here: Natural Antibodies

 

[Superman]

y'know, maybe one of these babies that was cheerleadingly aborted by the Left could have grown up to become the best virologist ever and developed a vaccine that we could have all agreed on.

oh, well. such is life. or not.

 

[Confluence]

Are restaurants free to NOT require your proof of vaccination?

Not in most of Canada, eh.

 

[Troglodyte]

Minnesota's 7 day case average: up 12%
Minnesota's 7 day deaths average: up 38%

RISING. Increasing.

West Virginia's cases are -3% over 7 days and deaths are up 3%.

God damn at this moment in time, which state is on the right trajectory?



Oh? Where do you get your information, Mother Jones? This is "considerably lower cases??"

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You keep making this claim and keep getting shown...nah. Not.

Good vaccines, you know, like the polio vaccine...get rid of the problem. You don't see waves like these after the country is 56.4% fully vaxed with close to half the population carrying natural immunity.

These are marginally effective "shots" at best.

So what? Would you rather have an increase that resulted in 44 deaths or a decrease that resulted in 170 deaths?

 

[Troglodyte]

Wait...What? You do know that people are receiving FDA approved antibody treatments for Covid, correct?

So again, I ask you and anyone who can offer a valid answer, why are natural antibodies being ignored?

So what, people should get infected with Covid and then receive antibody treatments instead of being vaccinated? No thanks.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Wait...What? You do know that people are receiving FDA approved antibody treatments for Covid, correct?

So again, I ask you and anyone who can offer a valid answer, why are natural antibodies being ignored?

Good thing there was a vaccine for the Spanish Flu, or we would still be dealing with that as well.

 

[Troglodyte]

which is not what you said, nor even implied.

Bullshit. I clearly stated ACCESS, e.i. ADMISSION. The difference between students and non-students.

 

[Troglodyte]

This is a fairly long article, but it is well worth the read. Includes cited sources from the points made. I found the answer to my question within the article, and it's what I was afraid of, Laziness.

"Klausner, who is also a medical director of a US testing and vaccine distribution company, says he initiated conversations about offering a fingerprick antibody screen for people with suspected exposure before vaccination, so that doses could be used more judiciously. But “everyone concluded it was just too complicated.”

“It’s a lot easier to put a shot in their arm,” says Sommer. “To do a PCR test or to do an antibody test and then to process it and then to get the information to them and then to let them think about it—it’s a lot easier to just give them the damn vaccine.”

Rest of the Article can be found here: Natural Antibodies

You call it laziness, I call it feasibility and refusing to accommodate unreasonable people.

 

[Badcat]

You call it laziness, I call it feasibility and refusing to accommodate unreasonable people.

Other countries are recording and tracking natural immunity. Just not the US. Geee...I wonder why? Big Pharma and their campaign contributions to our elected representatives is the reason.

 

[Superman]

Definition of access | Dictionary.com

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noun

• the ability, right, or permission to approach, enter, speak with, or use; admittance: They have access to the files.
• the state or quality of being approachable: The house was difficult of access.
• a way or means of approach: The only access to the house was a rough dirt road.

verb (used with object)

• to make contact with or gain access to; be able to reach, approach, enter, etc.: Bank customers can access their checking accounts instantly through the new electronic system.
• Computers. to locate (data) for transfer from one part of a computer system to another, generally between an external storage device and main storage.
  

adjective

• Television. (of programming, time, etc.) available to the public: Six channels now offer access services.

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noun

• the act of allowing to enter; entrance granted by permission, by provision or existence of pecuniary means, or by the removal of obstacles: the admission of foreign aid workers into the zone of active conflict.
• right or permission to enter: granting admission to the rare books room.
• the price paid for entrance, as to a theater or ball park.
• an act or condition of being received or accepted in a position, profession, occupation, or office; appointment: admission to the bar.
• confession of a charge, an error, or a crime; acknowledgment: His admission of the theft solved the mystery.
• an acknowledgment of the truth of something.

• a point or statement admitted; concession.

semantics

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noun (used with a singular verb)
Linguistics.

1. the study of meaning.
2. the study of linguistic development by classifying and examining changes in meaning and form.

Also called significs. the branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they denote.
the meaning, or an interpretation of the meaning, of a word, sign, sentence, etc.:

Dunning-Kruger Effect: Why Incompetent People Think They Are Superior

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which the incompetent lack the skills and cognitive abilities to recognize their own inability.

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Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

 

[Troglodyte]

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semantics

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Dunning-Kruger Effect: Why Incompetent People Think They Are Superior

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which the incompetent lack the skills and cognitive abilities to recognize their own inability.

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You actually believed that Colorado State was arresting students for not being vaccinated and you think I’m incompetent?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So what? Would you rather have an increase that resulted in 44 deaths or a decrease that resulted in 170 deaths?

We'd rather have a vaccine that ******* works, which is the non-ending point of my posts. You defend these piss poor shots that aren't working the way vaccines should.

If the vaccines were working, we wouldn't see MN rising up in cases and deaths, or NE ICUs full. This nation is half full of natural immunity and more than half full of vaccinated people, but the virus isn't gone, as President ShitsHisPants promised he would do - get rid of Covid.

It isn't doing it's job. Not the way a vaccine should.

I've never seen someone defend something that is so piss poor compared to its peer medicines so vehemently.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You call it laziness, I call it feasibility and refusing to accommodate unreasonable people.

Feasibility. Shaking my damned ******* head.

What have the costs of this pandemic and the ensuing lockdowns, measures, and policies been? Do total that up for me and get back to us.

The Government funded Operation Warp speed. Funded testing. Rolled it all out on Federal funds. Ubiquitously. Everywhere. And FREE.

And you argue it's not feasible???? Good....God.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You actually believed that Colorado State was arresting students for not being vaccinated and you think I’m incompetent?

That is exactly what they are arresting them for. Exactly. The trespassing "charge" for arrest is due to lack of vaccination. Lack of vaccination is literally the underlying reason for the arrests. Trespassing is merely the charge.

No surprise at all you cheer for that. For nurses being ushered out of hospitals. For people being escorted from their jobs for not complying with medical tyranny.

Herd 'em onto the trains Floggy.

 

[Badcat]

You actually believed that Colorado State was arresting students for not being vaccinated and you think I’m incompetent?