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Covid Vaccine

There is absolutely no reason to risk anyone under the age of 17… what the pro vaccine argument ignores is that mrna vaccines have never ever had a successful long term clinical trial, and the side effects that some of those failures showed serious risk to the younger breeding population…

Just remember five years from now, anything coming down the pike is solely the fault of the politicians and government orgs ignoring the math and the long term safety protocols… not Trump, not the Republicans… not us nitwits on the internet…
personally, I believe the blame lies at the unwashed feet of Ark
 

Sorry, but scientists most certainly do NOT know that. An actual study compares the control group with another group given a medicine or exposed to something potentially harmful, after which the control group is compared to the exposed group to see if the two groups have a scientifically relevant difference or instead fall into the "no observable effect level," known as NOEL.

Scientists are precluded from doing such tests on humans for obvious reasons and thereby rely solely on anecdotal data here. The claim that the vaccine provides "16x more protection" should be identified as "anecdotal evidence to date shows 16x the incidence of myocarditis [actually, just heart injury, otherwise undefined but whatever] without the vaccine than from the vaccine, based on a small sample size of young people evaluated for myocarditis due to the vaccine." Because that is what your article actually claims.

It is important to note that Covid-19 also causes myocarditis, with an estimated 28% of hospitalised patients showing signs of heart muscle injury. The risk of the condition is around 16 times higher in Covid-19 patients than in the uninfected, with inpatient visits for myocarditis 42% higher last year compared with 2019.

So in comparing an estimated number to another unknown, guessed at number, the estimated number is a lot lower than the guessed at, unknown number.
 
The article was from the PITTSBURGH Post-Gazette. The two major health systems in Pittsburgh are UPMC and AHN. UPMC doesn’t have a vaccine mandate, AHN is still in its grace period. Their staffing shortages have nothing to do with terminations.

Stay on topic, Tim. deliveries and surgeries don’t take place in ICUs and ERs.

You simple ****. You made a blanket statement that hospitals were done with firing/letting people go. They have not. One article from one health system in Western PA doesn't make your nationwide generalization anywhere close to accurate. My health systems here are 100% done and have been for some time.

As to your second point, you have attempted to deny the impact that the mandates have had on the healthcare system. Typical response being "Nope, nope, nope, losing 30% of our healthcare workers won't cause a single problem, nope, nope. Evidence I provided is that hospitals are scaling down, shutting down wards and services.

Logic, context, and comprehension really challenge you don't they?
 
No, my argument is that Tim’s contention that the vaccines only work for certain age groups or people with certain health conditions is nonsense.

Tim hasn't made that argument. Go show where I have.

As I've said before, you're often the one arguing against yourself.

My argument all along has been the vaccines are failing mankind. You know...all of us.
 

Watch the video Floggy.

On a side note, let me say - no one here, and I mean 100% none of us is surprised you are a fan of what is happening in Australia. You would be one of the first people to step up and vote for it to start tomorrow here in the USA too - the destruction of freedom and all personal Liberties while cheering a despot and totalitarian control.

You could speed things up though and just move to China to be in the environment you desire.
 
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In 2020, 340 people 18 or under died of Covid. Not one was "healthy" and has underlying issues.

Meanwhile, 5,000 kids died of underage drinking.

The risks of heart damage/issues/death from the vaccines is greater than the risk of death from Covid to this age group. Hit the back button. The data on this has been posted.
 
Remember when Floggy and Tibsticles spent the early part of this year talking about the excess deaths we suffered in 2020? How it was pure undeniable proof to them that Covid caused every single death it was credited for in 2020?

Wonder how they are going to react to these overages. Hmmmm. Which point to one of two things...Covid is killing these excess people in these age groups that are not....that susceptible to Covid...or the cocktails are doing the killing.


The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.

Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”


Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths"

He said at the same time, the company is seeing an “uptick” in disability claims, saying at first it was short-term disability claims, and now the increase is in long-term disability claims.

“For OneAmerica, we expect the costs of this are going to be well over $100 million, and this is our smallest business. So it’s having a huge impact on that,” he said.

He said the costs will be passed on to employers purchasing group life insurance policies, who will have to pay higher premiums.

At the same news conference where Davison spoke, Brian Tabor, the president of the Indiana Hospital Association, said that hospitals across the state are being flooded with patients “with many different conditions,” saying “unfortunately, the average Hoosiers’ health has declined during the pandemic.”

In a follow-up call, he said he did not have a breakdown showing why so many people in the state are being hospitalized – for what conditions or ailments. But he said the extraordinarily high death rate quoted by Davison matched what hospitals in the state are seeing.

"What it confirmed for me is it bore out what we're seeing on the front end,..." he said.

The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.

Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions.


AT A MINIMUM, based on my reading, one has to conclude that if this report holds and is confirmed by others in the dry world of life insurance actuaries, we have both a huge human tragedy and a profound public policy failure of the US Government and US HHS system to serve and protect the citizens that pay for this “service”.

IF this holds true, then the genetic vaccines so aggressively promoted have failed, and the clear federal campaign to prevent early treatment with lifesaving drugs has contributed to a massive, avoidable loss of life.

AT WORST, this report implies that the federal workplace vaccine mandates have driven what appear to be a true crime against humanity. Massive loss of life in (presumably) workers that have been forced to accept a toxic vaccine at higher frequency relative to the general population of Indiana.

FURTHERMORE, we have also been living through the most massive, globally coordinated propaganda and censorship campaign in the history of the human race. All major mass media and the social media technology companies have coordinated to stifle and suppress any discussion of the risks of the genetic vaccines AND/OR alternative early treatments.

IF this report holds true, there must be accountability. We are not just talking about running over the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States and grinding it into the mud with an army of artificial intelligence-powered heavy infantry. This article reads like a dry description of an avoidable mass casualty event caused by a mandated experimental medical procedure. One for which all opportunities for the victims to have become self-informed about the potential risks have been methodically erased from both the internet and public awareness by an international corrupt cabal operating under the flag of the “Trusted News Initiative”. George Orwell must be spinning in his grave.

I hope I am wrong. I fear I am right.
 
You simple ****. You made a blanket statement that hospitals were done with firing/letting people go. They have not. One article from one health system in Western PA doesn't make your nationwide generalization anywhere close to accurate. My health systems here are 100% done and have been for some time.

As to your second point, you have attempted to deny the impact that the mandates have had on the healthcare system. Typical response being "Nope, nope, nope, losing 30% of our healthcare workers won't cause a single problem, nope, nope. Evidence I provided is that hospitals are scaling down, shutting down wards and services.

Logic, context, and comprehension really challenge you don't they?
30%? Please provide your source. I think you mean 3%.
 
30%? Please provide your source. I think you mean 3%.

From the CDC, as of September, 30% of healthcare workers were not vaccinated.

Biden's mandates - that you say don't exist - kicked in.

Therefore, 30% of our healthcare workers are at risk.

Prove me wrong.
 
Lloyd Austin, triple-vaxed



Despite going full Darth Vader


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Triple vaccinated SARS-2 positives 4x more likely to have Omicron than unvaccinated​



Norman Fenton points out an interesting tidbit in the 21 December UK Office of National Statistics infection survey, on “Characteristics related to having an Omicron compatible result in those who test positive for COVID-19”. The data is for infections from 29 November to 12 December.

First, this remarkable passage from the results sheet:

Those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant.

The data is in Table 1b:
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Yes, the numbers are very small. Yes, the 95% confidence intervals are enormous. Nevertheless: According to these numbers, the triple vaccinated were 4.45 times more likely than the unvaccinated to have Omicron, among those who tested positive for Corona. For comparison, those with recent travel abroad were 4.6 times more likely than the unvaccinated to have Omicron, while the double vaccinated were 2.26 times more likely, and the single vaccinated 1.57 times more likely.

This squares entirely with the preliminary data from Denmark, which has the double vaccinated sliding into negative efficacy against Omicron (but not Delta) after 90 days.
The authors of that study tried to talk away this awkward result by claiming that it “was likely the result of Omicron spreading rapidly initially through single (super-spreading) events causing many infections among young, vaccinated individuals.” The more the same effect is viewed in other data sets, the less likely that explanation becomes.

Maybe, instead of boosting manically in the face of this new variant, as the vaccinators are already demanding, we should be calling for a total and complete shutdown of vaccinations until our public health representatives can figure out what is going on.
 
Remember when Floggy and Tibsticles spent the early part of this year talking about the excess deaths we suffered in 2020? How it was pure undeniable proof to them that Covid caused every single death it was credited for in 2020?

Wonder how they are going to react to these overages. Hmmmm. Which point to one of two things...Covid is killing these excess people in these age groups that are not....that susceptible to Covid...or the cocktails are doing the killing.


The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.

Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”


Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths"

He said at the same time, the company is seeing an “uptick” in disability claims, saying at first it was short-term disability claims, and now the increase is in long-term disability claims.

“For OneAmerica, we expect the costs of this are going to be well over $100 million, and this is our smallest business. So it’s having a huge impact on that,” he said.

He said the costs will be passed on to employers purchasing group life insurance policies, who will have to pay higher premiums.

At the same news conference where Davison spoke, Brian Tabor, the president of the Indiana Hospital Association, said that hospitals across the state are being flooded with patients “with many different conditions,” saying “unfortunately, the average Hoosiers’ health has declined during the pandemic.”

In a follow-up call, he said he did not have a breakdown showing why so many people in the state are being hospitalized – for what conditions or ailments. But he said the extraordinarily high death rate quoted by Davison matched what hospitals in the state are seeing.

"What it confirmed for me is it bore out what we're seeing on the front end,..." he said.

The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.

Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions.


AT A MINIMUM, based on my reading, one has to conclude that if this report holds and is confirmed by others in the dry world of life insurance actuaries, we have both a huge human tragedy and a profound public policy failure of the US Government and US HHS system to serve and protect the citizens that pay for this “service”.

IF this holds true, then the genetic vaccines so aggressively promoted have failed, and the clear federal campaign to prevent early treatment with lifesaving drugs has contributed to a massive, avoidable loss of life.

AT WORST, this report implies that the federal workplace vaccine mandates have driven what appear to be a true crime against humanity. Massive loss of life in (presumably) workers that have been forced to accept a toxic vaccine at higher frequency relative to the general population of Indiana.

FURTHERMORE, we have also been living through the most massive, globally coordinated propaganda and censorship campaign in the history of the human race. All major mass media and the social media technology companies have coordinated to stifle and suppress any discussion of the risks of the genetic vaccines AND/OR alternative early treatments.

IF this report holds true, there must be accountability. We are not just talking about running over the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States and grinding it into the mud with an army of artificial intelligence-powered heavy infantry. This article reads like a dry description of an avoidable mass casualty event caused by a mandated experimental medical procedure. One for which all opportunities for the victims to have become self-informed about the potential risks have been methodically erased from both the internet and public awareness by an international corrupt cabal operating under the flag of the “Trusted News Initiative”. George Orwell must be spinning in his grave.

I hope I am wrong. I fear I am right.
Something doesn’t seem right.

Last year, there were 470,000 excess deaths (350,000 due to Covid), that was 16.5% over projected. So 40% would be 1.14 Million over projected, and most aren’t even Covid? I think this would have been widely reported.

 
Something doesn’t seem right.

Last year, there were 470,000 excess deaths (350,000 due to Covid), that was 16.5% over projected. So 40% would be 1.14 Million over projected, and most aren’t even Covid? I think this would have been widely reported.


The links are there. I of course said you would deny it.

It's one insurance company's data and their observations of other insurance data. It's based off of "insurance deaths" not all mortality tables. Does this make sense to you?It's not 40% of all US citizens. They are seeing life insurance claims come in for those age groups at rates they have never before seen.

Good lord. Call and argue with them.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”

OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. The company has approximately 2,400 employees and sells life insurance, including group life insurance to employers in the state.

Looks to be sound, reasonable data. Sorry it conflicts with your religious beliefs.

Goes along with the mountain of other data we have presented. Analyses saying 150K people likely have died from the vaccines. Soccer players dropping dead all over the planet. ERs being packed to the gills, but Omicron having documented to have killed just 2 people. Report after report after report that throughout 2021, hospitals have seen a rise in illnesses, diseases, and deaths across the board beyond normal, predicted loads.

It doesn't make sense to you, I know - because it goes against what you "believe"

 
And the link from the prior article. The CDC disagrees with Floggy asserting that the overwhelming number of Covid patients are unvaxxed. Now the CDC will be shunned...until they say something tomorrow he can agree with.

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An overwhelming majority of individuals contracting the Omicron coronavirus variant in the U.S. are “fully vaccinated,” according to the Center for Disease Control.​

According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), only 20% of COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the U.S. were in people who are unvaccinated. Out of the 43 cases attributed to the Omicron variant, 34 people infected with the virus had been “fully vaccinated.”

Out of the 34 vaccinated individuals who had contracted the Omicron variant, one third of them had received a booster injection.



Meanwhile, something smells rotten in Denmark.

79 percent of Danes infected with Omicron by December 15 were fully jabbed, according to a report released Tuesday by the Statens Serum Institut (SSI), a Danish health ministry that tracks COVID-19 variants. The double-vaccinated accounted for more than 14,000 of 17,767 Omicron infections recorded in Denmark since the country’s first reported case on November 22.



Danish government researchers have acknowledged that vaccination offers effectively no protection against catching Omicron, and some analyses indicate that it actually heightens the risk of contracting the variant. Experts have also warned that a sharp rise in breakthrough cases could point to “original antigenic sin,” which occurs when vaccination causes an inability to mount an effective immune reaction to a variant of a virus, resulting in worse health outcomes for the vaccinated.

About this… (WARNING: Contains Mathematics)

 
I think...
You've proven that you're incapable of doing this. And when you try to do this, you've done nothing but further ruin any reputation you may have. You and thinking are like oil and water, Ogres and grace, cognition and Biden, virtue and Kamala, Tibs and manhood, jitter and fiddydolla...
 
Mmmm-hmmm, you said it…

Clearly you've misinterpreted that comment, as you do nearly every comment put out here.

You said that "Tim’s contention that the vaccines only work for certain age groups or people with certain health conditions is nonsense."

What I said was: "For certain people in certain age groups and/or with certain health conditions, the vaxes are perfect for them. They aren't for everyone (those 20-21 and under)."

Nowhere in my comment did I state the vaccines ONLY WORK for certain age groups. If you had more than two brain cells to rub together, you'd have gotten what the rest of the rational population understood when I wrote it - that the vaccines as they are are suited for certain age groups (i.e., those who need it - the elderly, the sick) and not suited for those who do not need it (i.e.., the young, infants, those under 50 who are healthy).

Back to trolling, case dismissed.
 
Clearly you've misinterpreted that comment, as you do nearly every comment put out here.

You said that "Tim’s contention that the vaccines only work for certain age groups or people with certain health conditions is nonsense."

What I said was: "For certain people in certain age groups and/or with certain health conditions, the vaxes are perfect for them. They aren't for everyone (those 20-21 and under)."

Nowhere in my comment did I state the vaccines ONLY WORK for certain age groups. If you had more than two brain cells to rub together, you'd have gotten what the rest of the rational population understood when I wrote it - that the vaccines as they are are suited for certain age groups (i.e., those who need it - the elderly, the sick) and not suited for those who do not need it (i.e.., the young, infants, those under 50 who are healthy).

Back to trolling, case dismissed.
 
About this… (WARNING: Contains Mathematics)


Wonderful article that did little to dispel what the CDC has shown, what the studies from Denmark and the UK have shown.

So far, to date, from South Africa to Denmark to the UK, and per the CDC, the vaccinated are catching Omicron more than the rest of us.

This hill you've been fighting on for over a year is rapidly collapsing.
 
Dr. Malone makes a very interesting point. I've been saying that our Government, unlike others (Israel, the UK), has done a very poor job of accurately providing Covid related data. It's gotten to the point you can reasonably say it's been by design - withholding actual data, changing data sets, "errors" in reporting. Were you aware the CDC has not updated the website since Oct 2 (over 3 months) showing how many people have been infected with Covid?

Why would that be?


So, it has been a busy week. As I prepare for getting on a plane to head back to Virginia from Austin, Texas, I am taking a moment to try to breath and to write down some thoughts.

Yesterday, I had to take an antibody test in order to get into the studio in Austin. The good news is that my natural immunity from my last round of COVID is robust - with IgA and even IgM Antibodies present.

This brings me again to one of my biggest issues with the public policy response. Natural immunity equals or trumps immunity from the genetic vaccines, because the natural immune response is broad (against the all 29 proteins of the SAVS-CoV-2 virus) and appears to hold up better against Omicron. This sustained and robust natural immunity also applies to children. We all know it. Why won’t our government and the main stream media admit it?

Why is it that the CDC website that lists 146 million people having already had COVID-19 in the USA has not been updated since October 2, 2021? A quick, back of the napkin calculation projects at least another 20-30 million have had COVID since then. Bringing the number of people who have had COVID to around 170 million. Well over half the people in the USA.

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He wraps up with a tremendous quote:


I will end with a quote from F. A. Hayek, (1974 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences )

“'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded -- and once they are suspended it is not difficult for anyone who has assumed such emergency powers to see to it that the emergency persists."
 


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How can you not love DeSantis? The man's a national treasure at this point IMO.
 
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