Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

 

[Troglodyte]

How many people have suffered adverse side effects from wearing a seatbelt?

Many thousands of people have suffered emergency medical situations while a wearing seatbelt. Some people will argue that something other than the seatbelt caused it as it’s still exceedingly rare.

 

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[Tim Steelersfan]

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If it's taken someone 6 years to come to this conclusion, we need to put them in the same tard bucket.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

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He would argue that water isn't wet. The typical Dim, and the reason that the political spectrum in this country will never return to center, because giving even an inch, in their minds is inconceivable, logic be damned, forward, no matter how insane it gets.

 

[madinsomniac]

No. So the **** what? You keep trying to make a point that’s clearly not logical.

Highly unlikely. About the only example would be a car being submerged in water and the passenger being too panicked to unbuckle.

The exception isn’t the rule.

I don’t know but they should. The rear seat passenger will likely injure or kill not only themselves but also the front seat passenger.

Are you trying to claim that states advise rear seat passengers to not wear seatbelts?

Yes. When I read something on social media I don’t necessarily take it as being factual even if I’d like to believe its true. That’s CRITICAL thinking.

Actually, the seat belt issue is widely known. There are several ways seatbelts can be death traps... if you are trapped upside down or with your weight fully on it in some other way, they may not release... also if it takes damage it can jam. Sometimes tgey fail to release just from the force of the impact jamming them... this is known... happens with enough frequency they make a tool for first responders.

A small percentage of people die from being trapped by seatbelts in a car that prevents them from escaping a dangerous situation like it being on fore or underwater... others arent able to get medical attention in time because of it.. and in cases where its not front to back impact, the belt can hurt more than help... getting tboned, for instance...

Famously Fox in the 90's had one of those caught on tape shows that had a guy who was in an accident and his belt jammed... the first responders on the scene couldnt get him out for several minutes... and you heard his screams as a fire slowly engulfed his car... iirc the fire department was able to get the fire extinguished but he was severely burned ...

The pro seat belt argument is that more lives are saved by them than hurt or lost because of them... but that is somewhat subjective... they count everyone wearing a seatbelt in an accident as a life saved... so its biased high for sure... still a good idea though...

 

[madinsomniac]

History of MRNA treatments:
2011-2019 everything they tried it on failed in clinical trials... pharm
Companies were out a couple billion in research for a product that they could not sell because it still had an abnormally high blood clotting issue as well as potential reproductive issues...

2020 Trump gave moderna a billion dollars and free access to its competitors patents to provide a vaccine quicker than a traditional one could get made
Pfizer bitched and moaned till they got the same deal..

2021 the Vaccines were initially made available to the most vulnerable population First.
Then it was made available to general adults

This was fine... it was when the Pharmas got greedy and wanted it to be approved for pregnant women and the under 17 group they ****** up... also that emergency approval shouldnt have let them skip clinical trials on other MRNA stuff... it needs to all be traditionally vetted and all the research needs to be public ....

 

[madinsomniac]

He would argue that water isn't wet. The typical Dim, and the reason that the political spectrum in this country will never return to center, because giving even an inch, in their minds is inconceivable, logic be damned, forward, no matter how insane it gets.

George Carlin used to warn about people whose politics defined their self image... said you couldnt debate them because to them, challenging their position on a subject was challenging them personally..

Now he likely was talking about the little old church lady mentality from the far right back then... but thats the exact same stuff going on with the left these days

 

[Superman]

Many thousands of people have suffered emergency medical situations while a wearing seatbelt. Some people will argue that something other than the seatbelt caused it as it’s still exceedingly rare.

so why dont we have seatbelts on motorcycles? or require people like you to wear helmets while driving?

 

[IndySteel]

so why dont we have seatbelts on motorcycles? or require people like you to wear helmets while driving?

Why am I picturing Flog wearing a shiny red helmet, beating a path down a hill trying not to wipe out? Oh, yeah, because he’s a retard.

 

[Superman]

Why am I picturing Flog wearing a shiny red helmet, beating a path down a hill trying not to wipe out? Oh, yeah, because he’s a retard.

you forgot the spinner on top of the helmet. chin strap tight, but no face guard.

 

[fedderone]

So, if people aren’t willing to exercise and lose weight, we should just let them die? I’m just really confused about what your proposed solution would be? Forced diet and exercise camps? It’s not like the keys to good health are being kept a secret. It’s not like doctors don’t urge people to exercise and eat right. Are you suggesting people who don’t do these things aren’t worthy of any life prolonging treatments?

Do you know how many illnesses and diseases have been eliminated or greatly reduced by medical advancements? Smallpox, polio, diphtheria, tuberculosis, malaria…measles til the recent anti-vax caused resurgence. Cancer survival rates doubled. Flu mortality reduced by 50%. Pneumonia mortality reduced by 2/3.

They sure are doing a really bad job of keeping us sick if that’s their goal.

So, it would have been beneficial if ALL the doctors and "medical experts" would have been HAMMERING society with eating right and exercise during COVID rather than wearing masks that don't actually do anything, standing 6 feet apart which didn't actually do anything, staying indoors which didn't actually do anything.
The MOST needy, those with comorbidities, NEEDED natural Vitamin D, which is only from the sunlight.
Those who did get severely ill NEEDED their loved ones close to them, human contact, interaction, and support and not isolation.

Nobody is denying that medical advancements have lead to longer life expectancy on average as well as amazing ways to combat the various diseases we can encounter.
But then the $64,000.00 question remains WHY did we dismiss ALL we have learned about medicine and health up to COVID and did EVERYTHING counterintuitive to what we already knew?
This is NOT a political thing, meaning NOT Democrat/Liberal vs Republican/Conservative.
Trump with Operation Warp Speed and Biden with Vax mandates for Federal Employees, which then almost all private sector companies mimicked.
Why push a vaccine that neither prevented transmission nor infection, and only MAYBE lessened the symptoms you experience, and it did not go through the same trials all previous vaccines went through?
Why change the definition of the word vaccine AFTER the COVID vaccine was created?
Why were they incentivizing people to get vaccinated with lotteries and free giveaways and also camping out at bars and outside of bars with clearly inebriated people who aren't thinking coherently? Why didn't they do this with any previous vaccines, especially considering the efficacy compared to previous vaccines like Polio and Small Pox?

I think Sarge previously said this or something similar earlier in this thread.
Most doctors don't try to eliminate the CAUSE or SOURCE of your issue anymore.
They want to treat the symptoms.
The best example of this are patients with Type 2 diabetes.
Type 2 diabetes is 100% curable and preventable.......WITH FN DIET AND EXERCISE.
No, you cannot force people to eat correctly and exercise. You also cannot force people to take insulin shots, either.
But we unfortunately as a human race have become lazy and expect instant results with minimal effort, so we keep treating symptoms rather than root cause because that's less contentious.

 

[Superman]

I think Sarge previously said this or something similar earlier in this thread.
Most doctors don't try to eliminate the CAUSE or SOURCE of your issue anymore.
They want to treat the symptoms.
The best example of this are patients with Type 2 diabetes.
Type 2 diabetes is 100% curable and preventable.......WITH FN DIET AND EXERCISE.
No, you cannot force people to eat correctly and exercise. You also cannot force people to take insulin shots, either.
But we unfortunately as a human race have become lazy and expect instant results with minimal effort, so we keep treating symptoms rather than root cause because that's less contentious.

just to address this part, though I agree with the entire post.

My previous doc was concerned about my cholesterol level. Literally everything else was fine in my blood work. Cholesterol was at 221. He said I was showing a historic increase in my level and wanted me to try a prescription. He said it could be filled online, and delivered to me and would be cheaper than getting it from CVS or Walgreen's. I tried getting it, but it was not in stock. I called back to let him know, and never heard back.

The next year, same thing - cholesterol level elevated. This time at 260. He wanted me to try Repatha. An injection. I don't do shots or injections. Just don't like the feeling of the needle since I had allergy shots as a kid and they'd inject them into my back. Just a mental thing. I did the Repatha for a few months. Then decided to stop it.

I looked at my diet - i was eating scrambled eggs (three eggs, removing two yolks), then eating tuna salad with a boiled egg at lunch. That was the highlight of my cholesterol intake. Immediately stopped that and kept up with my exercise regimen.

Went back for my annual checkup and my cholesterol level was down to 219.

Instead of reviewing my intake - he was quick to push me onto some medication. Despite my protest to the medication.

Not everything requires medication.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

just to address this part, though I agree with the entire post.

My previous doc was concerned about my cholesterol level. Literally everything else was fine in my blood work. Cholesterol was at 221. He said I was showing a historic increase in my level and wanted me to try a prescription. He said it could be filled online, and delivered to me and would be cheaper than getting it from CVS or Walgreen's. I tried getting it, but it was not in stock. I called back to let him know, and never heard back.

The next year, same thing - cholesterol level elevated. This time at 260. He wanted me to try Repatha. An injection. I don't do shots or injections. Just don't like the feeling of the needle since I had allergy shots as a kid and they'd inject them into my back. Just a mental thing. I did the Repatha for a few months. Then decided to stop it.

I looked at my diet - i was eating scrambled eggs (three eggs, removing two yolks), then eating tuna salad with a boiled egg at lunch. That was the highlight of my cholesterol intake. Immediately stopped that and kept up with my exercise regimen.

Went back for my annual checkup and my cholesterol level was down to 219.

Instead of reviewing my intake - he was quick to push me onto some medication. Despite my protest to the medication.

Not everything requires medication.

Preventative medicine is always the first step, it's just a harder option.

What? You want me to give up beer, ice cream and tortilla chips?

 

[Superman]

Preventative medicine is always the first step, it's just a harder option.

What? You want me to give up beer, ice cream and tortilla chips?

i know some people who ask me what i did to get back into shape. when i tell them, they reply with "that's hard. I can't do that. No way I'm going to the gym - especially at 5am!"

so ... ok. good luck.