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Covid Vaccine

Because the vaccine is a better bet at immunity. They don’t know how long natural antibodies last or if it’s consistent from person to person. Getting the vaccine has also shown to help Covid long haulers finally recover from their symptoms.
Reinfection is still rare, just like with the vaccines. If you can show me any data that shows vaccine antibodies last longer please do.

I have seen data that shows the vaccines produce higher levels of antibodies, but whether that translates to stronger or longer lasting protection, is impossible to say right now.
 
Reinfection is still rare, just like with the vaccines. If you can show me any data that shows vaccine antibodies last longer please do.

I have seen data that shows the vaccines produce higher levels of antibodies, but whether that translates to stronger or longer lasting protection, is impossible to say right now.
Flogomanbun doesnt associate with facts, ma'am.
 
Good luck! I know people who had a sore arm and nothing else or even nothing at all. Hopefully you'll be one of them.
When I got the second Pfizer, I got a moderate headache about 4 hours after, muscle aches and a low grade fever about 6 hours after, woke up the next morning and felt fine.
 
Reinfection is still rare, just like with the vaccines. If you can show me any data that shows vaccine antibodies last longer please do.

I have seen data that shows the vaccines produce higher levels of antibodies, but whether that translates to stronger or longer lasting protection, is impossible to say right now.
That’s not the point. Having vaccine antibodies is better than not having antibodies at all because your natural antibodies are gone.
 
Flogomanbun doesnt associate with facts, ma'am.
Says the guy who not long ago insisted everyone who wanted the vaccine had received one only to reveal he just recently got the first shot.
 
That’s not the point. Having vaccine antibodies is better than not having antibodies at all because your natural antibodies are gone.
Huh? We're talking about people who have been infected with covid. They have antibodies. Who says they're gone? Plus immunity isn't just about antibodies, it's also about T-cells. As of now after over a year, reinfection is still rare so we have to assume that immunity (by whatever mechanism) is long lasting. We don't know how long for either.
 
Pretty recent study:

People who had COVID-19 had an 84% lower risk of becoming reinfected and a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection during 7 months of follow-up, according to findings from a large, multicenter study published late last week in The Lancet.

The prospective cohort SARS-CoV-2 Immunity and Reinfection Evaluation (SIREN) study, by Public Health England Colindale researchers, involved 25,661 workers at public hospitals throughout England who were tested for SARS-CoV-2 every 2 to 4 weeks and antibodies at enrollment and every 4 weeks. Volunteers also completed questionnaires on symptoms and exposures every 2 weeks.

Of the 25,661 participants, 32.3% were assigned to the baseline positive (possibly or probably previously infected) group, and 67.7% were assigned to the negative group. Of the 8,278 positive participants, 91.2% had SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at study enrollment, while 7.0% were negative for antibodies but had a previously positive antibody and/or coronavirus test, and 1.8% had tested positive for COVID-19 but didn't have linked antibody data.

Far fewer symptomatic infections​

From June 2020 to January 2021, 1.4% of the 8,278 participants who previously had COVID-19 were infected, compared with 9.8% of 17,383 initially coronavirus-naïve participants. Infections in the baseline-positive group peaked in the first week of April, while they peaked in the negative group the last week of December.

Incidence density was 7.6 new infections per 100,000 person-days in those previously infected, versus 57.3 per 100,000 person-days in those without previous infection. Compared with primary infections, the adjusted incidence rate ratio was 0.16 for reinfections. Median time between primary infection and reinfection was more than 200 days.

Among the baseline-positive group, 50.3% of infections were symptomatic, with 32.3% involving usual coronavirus symptoms. Among the baseline-negative cohort, 80.3% of infections were symptomatic, 66.1% of them involving usual COVID-19 symptoms.

The authors noted that, late in the follow-up period, from Dec 8, 2020, to Jan 11, 2021, 52.2% of all participants were vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2. Thus, 0.4% of the study's person-time follow-up included participants 21 or more days after vaccination, which the researchers said likely had only a modest effect on the results.

Median participant age in the baseline-positive cohort was 45.7 years, 84.2% were women, and 87.3% were White. Median follow-up was 275 days in the positive group and 195 days in the negative group.

"This study shows that previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces effective immunity to future infections in most individuals," the authors wrote. "The importance of understanding the nature and rate of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection to guide non-pharmaceutical interventions and public health control measures is essential in this evolving pandemic."

Natural immunity vs vaccine protection​

In a commentary in the same journal, Florian Krammer, PhD, of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, said that although natural infection tends to induce lower and more variable antibody concentrations than COVID-19 vaccines, "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.

He added, "The SIREN study adds to a growing number of studies, which demonstrate that infection does protect against reinfection, and probably in an antibody-dependent manner."
 
Because the vaccine is a better bet at immunity. They don’t know how long natural antibodies last or if it’s consistent from person to person. Getting the vaccine has also shown to help Covid long haulers finally recover from their symptoms.

Once again, you speak as if it is from a point of knowledge. Frankly, you've posted so much bullshit for the past 6 months just talking from your ***, I buy nothing at all you say. Provide a link if you want.

I've not seen that a vaccine is a better bet at immunity than having had COVID. They also don't know how long the vaccine effects last. Some say 6 months. Some say you'll need an annual booster.

We still don't know what we don't know, and with the amount of research and reading I've done, having had COVID is equally as effective as anything they are "purporting" the vaccine is providing.
 
Pretty recent study:

People who had COVID-19 had an 84% lower risk of becoming reinfected and a 93% lower risk of symptomatic infection during 7 months of follow-up, according to findings from a large, multicenter study published late last week in The Lancet.

The prospective cohort SARS-CoV-2 Immunity and Reinfection Evaluation (SIREN) study, by Public Health England Colindale researchers, involved 25,661 workers at public hospitals throughout England who were tested for SARS-CoV-2 every 2 to 4 weeks and antibodies at enrollment and every 4 weeks. Volunteers also completed questionnaires on symptoms and exposures every 2 weeks.

Of the 25,661 participants, 32.3% were assigned to the baseline positive (possibly or probably previously infected) group, and 67.7% were assigned to the negative group. Of the 8,278 positive participants, 91.2% had SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at study enrollment, while 7.0% were negative for antibodies but had a previously positive antibody and/or coronavirus test, and 1.8% had tested positive for COVID-19 but didn't have linked antibody data.

Far fewer symptomatic infections​

From June 2020 to January 2021, 1.4% of the 8,278 participants who previously had COVID-19 were infected, compared with 9.8% of 17,383 initially coronavirus-naïve participants. Infections in the baseline-positive group peaked in the first week of April, while they peaked in the negative group the last week of December.

Incidence density was 7.6 new infections per 100,000 person-days in those previously infected, versus 57.3 per 100,000 person-days in those without previous infection. Compared with primary infections, the adjusted incidence rate ratio was 0.16 for reinfections. Median time between primary infection and reinfection was more than 200 days.

Among the baseline-positive group, 50.3% of infections were symptomatic, with 32.3% involving usual coronavirus symptoms. Among the baseline-negative cohort, 80.3% of infections were symptomatic, 66.1% of them involving usual COVID-19 symptoms.

The authors noted that, late in the follow-up period, from Dec 8, 2020, to Jan 11, 2021, 52.2% of all participants were vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2. Thus, 0.4% of the study's person-time follow-up included participants 21 or more days after vaccination, which the researchers said likely had only a modest effect on the results.

Median participant age in the baseline-positive cohort was 45.7 years, 84.2% were women, and 87.3% were White. Median follow-up was 275 days in the positive group and 195 days in the negative group.

"This study shows that previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 induces effective immunity to future infections in most individuals," the authors wrote. "The importance of understanding the nature and rate of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection to guide non-pharmaceutical interventions and public health control measures is essential in this evolving pandemic."

Natural immunity vs vaccine protection​

In a commentary in the same journal, Florian Krammer, PhD, of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, said that although natural infection tends to induce lower and more variable antibody concentrations than COVID-19 vaccines, "the findings of the authors suggest that infection and the development of an antibody response provides protection similar to or even better than currently used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.

He added, "The SIREN study adds to a growing number of studies, which demonstrate that infection does protect against reinfection, and probably in an antibody-dependent manner."

This is pure anecdote but as I've written, my oldest had COVID last July. He went back to Ohio State this fall. Just worked, didn't go to school, but lived in his college apartment. Partied. Socialized. ALL THE TIME. Re-enrolled this spring. Took trips. Went to Chicago with friends. Partied all over Chicago. Went back to Ft Lauderdale this year for a week. Formals in Nashville. Went to the COVID wedding we went to. Was in our house with my wife and son who had COVID.

If anyone was going to get re-infected, it's that kid.

He hasn't been.
 
This is pure anecdote but as I've written, my oldest had COVID last July. He went back to Ohio State this fall. Just worked, didn't go to school, but lived in his college apartment. Partied. Socialized. ALL THE TIME. Re-enrolled this spring. Took trips. Went to Chicago with friends. Partied all over Chicago. Went back to Ft Lauderdale this year for a week. Formals in Nashville. Went to the COVID wedding we went to. Was in our house with my wife and son who had COVID.

If anyone was going to get re-infected, it's that kid.

He hasn't been.
My son got sick a couple of months after having covid with way worse symptoms than when he had covid. Fever, terrible congestion. Tested negative. No idea what he had but it wasn't covid.

Dozens of his classmates have gotten covid, he was a close contact a couple of times. Still hasn't been reinfected.
 
My son got sick a couple of months after having covid with way worse symptoms than when he had covid. Fever, terrible congestion. Tested negative. No idea what he had but it wasn't covid.

Dozens of his classmates have gotten covid, he was a close contact a couple of times. Still hasn't been reinfected.

Same for mine. When he came home for the wedding, he got tested that day. Negative. He was sick. A bad cold, lots of congestion. When wife and youngest got COVID, I suggested he might have had a bad test and brought it home. He got tested again the same day we all did. He was negative.

He gets colds a lot. Long medical story.

But also like your son, every one of his apartment mates had it, friends at school, he was around them. Nothing.

Seems those natural antibodies are pretty effective in our sons' cases.
 
Says the guy who not long ago insisted everyone who wanted the vaccine had received one only to reveal he just recently got the first shot.

Damn it, don't you know my Flogbun translator is in the repair shop. Of all days.
 
Huh? We're talking about people who have been infected with covid. They have antibodies. Who says they're gone? Plus immunity isn't just about antibodies, it's also about T-cells. As of now after over a year, reinfection is still rare so we have to assume that immunity (by whatever mechanism) is long lasting. We don't know how long for either.
It’s not just reinfections. Antibody tests on Covid survivors who would donate plasma would sometimes indicate their antibodies were gone.
 
Once again, you speak as if it is from a point of knowledge. Frankly, you've posted so much bullshit for the past 6 months just talking from your ***, I buy nothing at all you say. Provide a link if you want.

I've not seen that a vaccine is a better bet at immunity than having had COVID. They also don't know how long the vaccine effects last. Some say 6 months. Some say you'll need an annual booster.

We still don't know what we don't know, and with the amount of research and reading I've done, having had COVID is equally as effective as anything they are "purporting" the vaccine is providing.
OK, Tim. Google “Why get Covid vaccine if you’ve had Covid” and see if it tells you anything different than what I have stated.

Step out of you anti-vax bubble. Think of the vaccine as a booster to natural antibodies.
 
Strange to hear someone who's been so staunchly - and vociferously - against wearing masks and taking precautions has had their whole family come down with Covid, some more than once.

Hope the fam gets better soon, Timothy. That's all Troglodyte and I have been saying from day one, it's best to be careful and take whatever precautions possible, to protect ourselves and our families. There are no bullet-proof, 100% solutions dealing with a worldwide pandemic. Just seems smart to take a common sense approach, as opposed to deep-diving into conspiracy theories and fighting 'the system' 24/7.

But obviously you're a stubborn guy, who'll stomp his feet and plead your case until the very end. Whatever it is that you're constantly trying to prove around here. At this point, I've lost track, really have no idea what it is.
 
Says the guy who not long ago insisted everyone who wanted the vaccine had received one only to reveal he just recently got the first shot.
the absolute **** are you talking about? is the manbun too tight this morning?
 
It’s not just reinfections. Antibody tests on Covid survivors who would donate plasma would sometimes indicate their antibodies were gone.
I haven't seen gone, I've seen diminished over time, but if that doesn't mean reinfection who cares? And it's likely vaccines will diminish over time too if that's the case. We don't know how long or what it means in terms of immunity. For either.
 
Strange to hear someone who's been so staunchly - and vociferously - against wearing masks and taking precautions has had their whole family come down with Covid, some more than once.

Hope the fam gets better soon, Timothy. That's all Troglodyte and I have been saying from day one, it's best to be careful and take whatever precautions possible, to protect ourselves and our families. There are no bullet-proof, 100% solutions dealing with a worldwide pandemic. Just seems smart to take a common sense approach, as opposed to deep-diving into conspiracy theories and fighting 'the system' 24/7.

But obviously you're a stubborn guy, who'll stomp his feet and plead your case until the very end. Whatever it is that you're constantly trying to prove around here. At this point, I've lost track, really have no idea what it is.
Who said someone in their family came down with it more than once?
 
Who said someone in their family came down with it more than once? And I don't think Tim is staunchly vociferously against wearing masks, he just questions their effectiveness. Which is reasonable considering covid spread like wildfire despite hundreds of millions wearing masks all the time.
 
Strange to hear someone who's been so staunchly - and vociferously - against wearing masks and taking precautions has had their whole family come down with Covid, some more than once.

Hope the fam gets better soon, Timothy. That's all Troglodyte and I have been saying from day one, it's best to be careful and take whatever precautions possible, to protect ourselves and our families. There are no bullet-proof, 100% solutions dealing with a worldwide pandemic. Just seems smart to take a common sense approach, as opposed to deep-diving into conspiracy theories and fighting 'the system' 24/7.

But obviously you're a stubborn guy, who'll stomp his feet and plead your case until the very end. Whatever it is that you're constantly trying to prove around here. At this point, I've lost track, really have no idea what it is.
“There is absolutely no reason to wear a mask!”
“There is absolutely no reason to get the vaccine if you’ve had Covid!”

What he wants to believe is the truth. Anti-intellectualism at its finest.
 
“There is absolutely no reason to wear a mask!”
“There is absolutely no reason to get the vaccine if you’ve had Covid!”

What he wants to believe is the truth. Anti-intellectualism at its finest.

i'm typing this as slow as humanly possible. I'd get my dog to type it, but she cannot spell. Nor does she have the desire to learn to type. As such, please bear with me.

you have been shown countless charts, graphs and data to show that the mask is not as effective as you believe it to be.
you have been shown countless charts, graphs and data to show that the mask is not as effective as you want it to be.
you have been shown countless charts, graphs and data to show that the mask is not as effective as you pray it to be.
you have been shown countless charts, graphs and data to show that the mask is not as effective as you have floggged yourself for it to be.

many states that were unmasked show the same data that those who were, very slightly higher or lower depending on which state you cherry pick for your argument.

as such, it IS possible to question the effectiveness of wearing a mask while - and you might want to re-read this next part slowly and sound out all the words - being consciously aware of being safe and keeping those around you safe from the virus.
 
Strange to hear someone who's been so staunchly - and vociferously - against wearing masks and taking precautions has had their whole family come down with Covid, some more than once.

You're an idiot. Not just today. Always have been. This post just reinforces it. No on in my family has gotten it more than once. 3 of 4 of us have had it...ONCE.

In case you missed that...again...let me make it big for you:

ONCE

Next, let me reiterate what has been said over and over, that you and your asshat compariot in idiocy fail to grasp onto. I wear masks, I follow the mandates and guidelines. Despite "knowing", as real scientists do - not the "59-genders science" - that masks and lockdowns didn't and don't work.

Hope the fam gets better soon, Timothy. That's all Troglodyte and I have been saying from day one, it's best to be careful and take whatever precautions possible, to protect ourselves and our families.

My family (save for me) is now far more protected. As a reputable epidemiologist said last April, COVID is coming for all of us, whether we like it or not. She was right. We thought we could stop it. We are fools. We thought our means would work. We were wrong. The most fortunate member of my family was my son, getting it last year. Protected since. Now my wife and son are protected.

Guess what...they showed the 99.97% survival rate to be real. They got a cold/flu like bug. Your side still thinks it's the bubonic plague. I can only shake my head at that.

There are no bullet-proof, 100% solutions dealing with a worldwide pandemic. Just seems smart to take a common sense approach, as opposed to deep-diving into conspiracy theories and fighting 'the system' 24/7.

Those common sense approaches have been, especially in the past 3 weeks, obliterated. Masks shown not to work. Social distancing proven to be utter bullshit...you were just as likely to catch COVID at 6 feet v 60 feet. Lockdowns destroyed by MIT. The worst place people could be was at home, where the overwhelming # of cases spread.

The only conspiracy theorists any more, frankly, are the idiots that still believe in these measure. "Common sense" approaches killed more of us. We'd have been safer at work and without masks.

But obviously you're a stubborn guy, who'll stomp his feet and plead your case until the very end. Whatever it is that you're constantly trying to prove around here. At this point, I've lost track, really have no idea what it is.

It's not a matter of being stubborn Tibs. When you realize the Earth isn't flat, you have to bang a lot of skulls for the sheep to open their eyes.
 
It's not a matter of being stubborn Tibs. When you realize the Earth isn't flat, you have to bang a lot of skulls for the sheep to open their eyes.

To the contrary Tim, you're the flat-earther here, on this, and many other matters.

Glad your family's doing okay.
 
OK, Tim. Google “Why get Covid vaccine if you’ve had Covid” and see if it tells you anything different than what I have stated.

Step out of you anti-vax bubble. Think of the vaccine as a booster to natural antibodies.

And there we have it. You get your knowledge from Google.

But I'll play your game. The very very first result...

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Damn you make this far, far, far too easy son. It's like being a college professor and arguing with someone in primary school.

Every link that recommends people get the vaccine mutters the same line: "...because even after having COVID, you 'might' be subject to reinfection."

That's it. That's the logic. "MIGHT" get reinfected.

"The good people of Denmark have once again provided their excellent, centralized healthcare data to save us all, this time allowing researchers to track the COVID-19 infection rates of 4 million Danes last year, to see how many were infected twice. The results were published in The Lancet last week.

The study found that just 0.65% of people who tested positive for COVID-19 in the spring were reinfected later in the year. "

This is where you, Tibs, and Liberals in general are so damned dangerous. If Rick Madcow tells you "people are getting reinfected" you all take this as gospel, swear to it, drink that **** up and run around places like these screaming "Everyone's gonna get reinfected, you all have to get the vaccine!"

Except....you just don't know what you are talking about
 
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