Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

You keep trying to bring politics into this and I’m to believe that it’s not ideological for you?

Saul Alinsky: Accuse your opponent of that for which you are guilty.

I do recall you getting serious when I referred to your “Covid kid” instead of the somehow more sensitive and politically correct “kid that had Covid” whenever he had “just the flu”.

I recall others getting serious and calling you out for your persistent lack of tact. I never had to.

I'm happy we've been down the route we've been down. So far, we have the best protection on the planet.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Follow along, he was questioning how we can have a surge with so many vaccinated and how the unvaccinated can be blamed.

No, I'm not going to let this amazing, huge mistake on your part pass.

PPG reported 40% of Allegheny Covid patients hospitalized were vaccinated.
PPG reported statewide PA's total breakthrough cases were just 4%.

When pressed on this, you stated the reason the 36% difference was because Allegheny hospitals were caring for patients from other rural jurisdictions.

The "wrong" involved in that analysis is astonishing.

Somehow you believe that by bringing in rural patients (less likely to be vaccinated) into primarily urban hospitals (more likely to be vaccinated) INCREASED the breakthrough cases.....

Let that sink in.

That's akin to saying the reason your ice cream melted was you stuck it in the freezer.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

That’s the difference between you and heroes like Jonas Salk.

So the people subjected to the Tuskegee Experiment were smart, heroes, and had every reason to trust their Gubmint?

And no way that could be happening today rigggghhhhtttt? Because our Gubmint is open, honest, trustworthy.

 

[Badcat]

I thought about this. Then I looked up U.S. birth/mortality rates and came to the conclusion that there is Defcon-1-level cause for concern regarding pending social entitlements (SS, Medicare). Consider these stats:
Mid-1980's: Births per woman: nearly 2. Births per 1000 women: 16. Deaths per 1000 people: 8.9
2019-2020: Births per woman: 1.8. Births per 1000 women: 12. Deaths per 1000 people: 8.7

So, fewer births + fewer deaths = more older people alive needing to collect SS & other benefits and fewer younger people in the workforce to pay into the system.

Could those pulling the levers be cognizant of this and - gasp! - orchestrate not only a viral pandemic to "de-populate" those entitled to the benefits, but somehow, someway fix another problem.... say, allow a large number of a certain demographic, say those from Latin American countries, who are more apt to have larger numbers of children.... then legalize them and give them SS#s and have new taxpayers pay into the system. To some this may all be super-loco-conspiracy theory... but the big picture is nearly always out of view for the world, who would rather only see the world and its workings using tunnel vision. What's that saying... truth is stranger than fiction.

Bill Burr had a great point. The government doesn't want to kill off the people willing to get the shot, they're the obedient ones.

All of this is just the beginning of a coming wave. They've already instituted socialism for the lower class, increased the minimum wage, and crippled small businesses. The government teet is coming for us all.

 

[Troglodyte]

The pandemic of the unvaccinated line was concocted when the country wasn’t testing vaccinated people and off the cuff ruling out covid for anything with them because they were vaccinated…this biased all the data to look like all the cases were unvaccinated…. It was always a false narrative…

the vaccinated are at less risk and should quit worrying about the unvaccinated… the people in the hospital are mostly going to be there vaccinated or not… the people dying of this, their immune systems cannot deal with it and for the most part that is true of some of the vaccinated as well…. A vaccine boosters immune systems… it can’t fix a busted one…

Please provide your source that the hospitalized would be there regardless of their vaccination status - that the vaccines are essentially not effective at all against hospitalization. Are you really suggesting that the overwhelmed hospitals are coincidentally in low vaccinated states?

 

[Troglodyte]

yeah, he injected his own kids.
of his own goddamned ******* free will.

NOT under goobermint mandate.
NOT because the gubmint do be say to.
NOT because he was a goddamned lemming, you goddamned lemming.

additionally, and I ask you this - while the polio vaccine was "experimental" in a sense, did it involve mRNA triggering the human immune system or was it more traditionally derived from dead/decaying/dying forms of the virus?

So innovation is never to be trusted? Where would we be without it.

 

[Steeltime]

Follow along, he was questioning how we can have a surge with so many vaccinated and how the unvaccinated can be blamed.

Close. I did indeed ask how it is possible for the Chinese flu cases to be greater with 75% of the adult population vaccinated than in September, 2020 with zero percent of the population unvaccinated. As expected, you blamed the unvaccinated, and your ideological brethren then argue (despite it not being true) that the unvaccinated are right-wing Trump followers.

Your view of everything is badly distorted by politics. Seriously, it is simply not possible for the virus to spread more quickly and to more people with 75% of the available population vaccinated than was the case with zero percent vaccinated unless the vaccine now does NOT defend against getting the virus and spreading the virus.

Stop arguing for argument's sake and just think about what I wrote. It is literally impossible for MORE cases with 75% vaccinated compared to zero percent unless the vaccine DOES NOT stop the infection and transmission by the vaccinated - unless you genuinely believe it is just a matter of those 25% milling around with others in the 25% segment and diseasing each other.

What is more likely is that the vaccine greatly reduces the symptoms and potential mortality induced by the Delta variant, but does not do a good job at all at preventing infection and spread by the vaccinated. In fact, it makes vastly more sense that the following is happening: The vaccine reduces symptoms to the point people who are infected feel pretty damn good, interact with others, and spread the Chinese flu, including among other vaccinated. That fits with the increased number vaccinated and the exploding number of people getting the Chinese Delta flu.

I am genuinely asking you to think about what I am saying and stop the grotesque lying, "It's the Trumpists fault," "I'm losing patience." That type of thinking and expression is disastrous. It is a line of argument desperate lying failures employ - like Sloppy Joe. He is simply making up a new boogeyman since he has ****** up handling the virus so incredibly, much worse than Trump.

Not to mention his ******* the goat relative to gas prices, inflation, Afghanistan, the border, crime, and on and on.

So stop lapping up Sloppy Joe's seconds and think it through.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Oh, I'm spreading covid like an Oprah give away baby! no mask, no gloves, just me and my natural immunity!

Walmart
Aldi's
Texas Road House for dinner
Costco - Hey they brought the samples back out! yum!
Liquor store
Gas station

You spreading rona like Supe be spreading his seed on spring breaks

 

[Troglodyte]

No, I'm not going to let this amazing, huge mistake on your part pass.

PPG reported 40% of Allegheny Covid patients hospitalized were vaccinated.
PPG reported statewide PA's total breakthrough cases were just 4%.

When pressed on this, you stated the reason the 36% difference was because Allegheny hospitals were caring for patients from other rural jurisdictions.

The "wrong" involved in that analysis is astonishing.

Somehow you believe that by bringing in rural patients (less likely to be vaccinated) into primarily urban hospitals (more likely to be vaccinated) INCREASED the breakthrough cases.....

Let that sink in.

That's akin to saying the reason your ice cream melted was you stuck it in the freezer.

Oh, aren’t you? LOL! You’re such a tool.

I don’t have access to the PPG’s data. I gave a reason why you can’t compare Allegheny County hospitals to Pennsylvania hospitals in general.

Take it up with the PPG. Here’s your shot to prove you know what’s what with Covid and the vaccine and all the Doctors and Health Officials are wrong, or expose the deep state or whatever.

 

[Superman]

So innovation is never to be trusted? Where would we be without it.

how utterly insanely bizarre was that leap for you to make?

that was rhetorical question, btw. under no circumstance - unless its through slicing and dicing - do I want to know how your brain works.

 

[Troglodyte]

Close. I did indeed ask how it is possible for the Chinese flu cases to be greater with 75% of the adult population vaccinated than in September, 2020 with zero percent of the population unvaccinated. As expected, you blamed the unvaccinated, and your ideological brethren then argue (despite it not being true) that the unvaccinated are right-wing Trump followers.

Your view of everything is badly distorted by politics. Seriously, it is simply not possible for the virus to spread more quickly and to more people with 75% of the available population vaccinated than was the case with zero percent vaccinated unless the vaccine now does NOT defend against getting the virus and spreading the virus.

Stop arguing for argument's sake and just think about what I wrote. It is literally impossible for MORE cases with 75% vaccinated compared to zero percent unless the vaccine DOES NOT stop the infection and transmission by the vaccinated - unless you genuinely believe it is just a matter of those 25% milling around with others in the 25% segment and diseasing each other.

What is more likely is that the vaccine greatly reduces the symptoms and potential mortality induced by the Delta variant, but does not do a good job at all at preventing infection and spread by the vaccinated. In fact, it makes vastly more sense that the following is happening: The vaccine reduces symptoms to the point people who are infected feel pretty damn good, interact with others, and spread the Chinese flu, including among other vaccinated. That fits with the increased number vaccinated and the exploding number of people getting the Chinese Delta flu.

I am genuinely asking you to think about what I am saying and stop the grotesque lying, "It's the Trumpists fault," "I'm losing patience." That type of thinking and expression is disastrous. It is a line of argument desperate lying failures employ - like Sloppy Joe. He is simply making up a new boogeyman since he has ****** up handling the virus so incredibly, much worse than Trump.

Not to mention his ******* the goat relative to gas prices, inflation, Afghanistan, the border, crime, and on and on.

So stop lapping up Sloppy Joe's seconds and think it through.

First of all, 75% are NOT vaccinated, 55% are vaccinated. That leaves almost 150 Million unvaccinated people. There are currently 150,000 new cases per day. Using the Allegheny County figures, about 25,000 (1 in every 7,300) of the new cases are vaccinated and the other 125,000 (1 in every 1,200) are unvaccinated. Quite possible. In fact, it’s happening.

 

[Steeltime]

First of all, 75% are NOT vaccinated, 55% are vaccinated. That leaves almost 150 Million unvaccinated people.

You're wrong. You are being played. The news reports that "55% of Americans are vaccinated," including children under 12 who literally are not cleared to take the vaccine. Why? To pump up the number of "unvaccinated" and feed the news cycle.

The true number of vaccinated adults (age 18 and over) is 76% with at least one dose, 66% "fully" vaccinated. Oh, and 93% of those 65 and older have had at least one dose, 86% "fully" vaccinated.

See How Vaccinations Are Going in Your County and State

See where doses have gone, and who is eligible for a shot in each state.

www.nytimes.com

I posted this data earlier. You obviously did not bother to read it.

There are currently 150,000 new cases per day. Using the Allegheny County figures, about 25,000 (1 in every 7,300) of the new cases are vaccinated and the other 125,000 (1 in every 1,200) are unvaccinated. Quite possible. In fact, it’s happening.

No, your numbers apply to those HOSPITALIZED, not those infected. Get it? Since the vaccine reduces the level of symptoms, fewer vaccinated are hospitalized but still infected and still spreading the Chinese flu. That is consistent with the number of vaccinated going up and up and up and up, and the number of cases going up and up and up and up.

Get it?

 

[Steelworth]

 

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[tapeANaspirin2it]

Another thing about reports of hospitals being nearly full or ICU being nearly full. That is NORMAL. Hospitals are built like stadiums. They are built to accomodate expected crowds. That’s why football stadiums are huge and baseball are smaller. Hospitals are supposed to be near capacity at all times and if they are not, guess what they do. They close down floors kind of like stadiums that put a tarp over large sections.

Same with ICU. It’s not like hospitals have 50 ICU beds. Most have probably less than 20. Also because there are generally multiple hospitals in and city of significant size. If they have 20 ICU beds and their numbers show rarely use more the 12 then guess what happens. They are probably going to convert 5 ICU rooms into some other use and just have 15.

What’s frustrating in this is the purposeful misleading info that is constantly being pushed, made worse by an incurious media. They are handed a report that hospitals are near capacity and they never ask the obvious question, is that normal? That’s because then you don’t have a story.

Image the breaking new. Your local station with a breaking report that your local hospital is at 90% capacity. OMG! There’s nearly now beds! Then the reporter asks the administrator what their capacity is normally and he says usually about 85%. Hmmmmmm. Now viewers are thinking things aren’t so bad then. Worse, they then start thinking, why did you waste my time and get me worried over nothing?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Oh, I'm spreading covid like an Oprah give away baby! no mask, no gloves, just me and my natural immunity!

Walmart
Aldi's
Texas Road House for dinner
Costco - Hey they brought the samples back out! yum!
Liquor store
Gas station

is there even data on whether people with immunity due to already having Covid can spread it?

 

[madinsomniac]

Please provide your source that the hospitalized would be there regardless of their vaccination status - that the vaccines are essentially not effective at all against hospitalization. Are you really suggesting that the overwhelmed hospitals are coincidentally in low vaccinated states?

Comorbidity Data in Explaining COVID Death Rates | RMHP

Can Comorbidity Data Explain Cross-State and Cross-National Difference in COVID-19 Death Rates?

www.dovepress.com

Add to that the study that was discussed for like the past two or three days here that 57% of hospitalization cases were pre existing or observational cases… most of the cases were either admitted for a separate issue and tested for covid or already were hospitalized and tge hospitalization numbers are literally cut in more than half…

Again look up the hyper inflated, “every potential death we can count” data at the cdc that breaks it down by age… under 40 is insignificant…. Under 30 is minute… kids its killed less than the swine flu and this is over 2 years now… you are talking about an ill ess that is killing old, sick people. There is no statistical reason to FORCE an experimental vaccine on anyone in the breeding age with these numbers… its a completely maddening risk with little reward

Even using the raw death counts you are talking about such a small percentage it’s irrelevant… its .0075% or 7.54963e-05…. Less that eight thousandths of one percent… Thats using the low inadjusted population count pre census…. Take out the terminal illnesses pre covid and it goes from almost nothing to well you have to squint to see it kind of nothing….


Would you like to see the math on adverse long term effects of vaccines and how infrequent they would have to be to be more problematic than this virus…

I don’t really think you do… i think for most here it really is just another political debate , not a real risk assessment.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

US panel backs COVID-19 boosters only for elderly, high-risk

WASHINGTON (AP) — An influential federal advisory panel has overwhelmingly rejected a plan to give Pfizer booster shots against COVID-19 to most Americans, but it endorsed the extra shots for those who are 65 or older or run a high risk of severe disease.

apnews.com

 

[Superman]

Another thing about reports of hospitals being nearly full or ICU being nearly full. That is NORMAL. Hospitals are built like stadiums. They are built to accomodate expected crowds. That’s why football stadiums are huge and baseball are smaller. Hospitals are supposed to be near capacity at all times and if they are not, guess what they do. They close down floors kind of like stadiums that put a tarp over large sections.

Same with ICU. It’s not like hospitals have 50 ICU beds. Most have probably less than 20. Also because there are generally multiple hospitals in and city of significant size. If they have 20 ICU beds and their numbers show rarely use more the 12 then guess what happens. They are probably going to convert 5 ICU rooms into some other use and just have 15.

What’s frustrating in this is the purposeful misleading info that is constantly being pushed, made worse by an incurious media. They are handed a report that hospitals are near capacity and they never ask the obvious question, is that normal? That’s because then you don’t have a story.

Image the breaking new. Your local station with a breaking report that your local hospital is at 90% capacity. OMG! There’s nearly now beds! Then the reporter asks the administrator what their capacity is normally and he says usually about 85%. Hmmmmmm. Now viewers are thinking things aren’t so bad then. Worse, they then start thinking, why did you waste my time and get me worried over nothing?

damn true. on all accounts.

i had my appendix removed in May. I had to pass a Rona test at the door of the emergency room or I'd not be allowed in. I'd already had my second Rona shot just a couple weeks earlier, so I passed. No Rona for Supe. Coincidental, yes about the appendix, though.

however, as I was sitting in the emergency room, there was not a whole lot of action going on.

when i was wheeled to my room, I passed two or three rooms with zero patients in them. NONE. doors wide open. Lights on. No one in there.

I got placed in a room with some other dude. Sharing a room is normal, but during a omgthisisgoingtokilleveryoneyouknowandlovepandemic? Just odd, right?

 

[madinsomniac]

damn true. on all accounts.

i had my appendix removed in May. I had to pass a Rona test at the door of the emergency room or I'd not be allowed in. I'd already had my second Rona shot just a couple weeks earlier, so I passed. No Rona for Supe. Coincidental, yes about the appendix, though.

however, as I was sitting in the emergency room, there was not a whole lot of action going on.

when i was wheeled to my room, I passed two or three rooms with zero patients in them. NONE. doors wide open. Lights on. No one in there.

I got placed in a room with some other dude. Sharing a room is normal, but during a omgthisisgoingtokilleveryoneyouknowandlovepandemic? Just odd, right?

I will testify that my dad, who has been hospitalized for months now,
Has shared a room this whole time in each of the 4 locations he has been in… and each has wings and wards closed due to staffing…

 

[hamster]

We don't need no stinkin boosters.

Ivermectin obliterates 97 percent of Delhi cases

A 97% decline in Delhi cases with Ivermectin is decisive - period. It represents the last word in an epic struggle to save lives and preserve human rights. This graph

www.thedesertreview.com

 

[Confluence]

Lifesitenews = fake news

LifeSiteNews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Weird how anti-abortionist pro life folks are now the ones promoting choice, and being blamed for always being wrong.
Perhaps, ******** Floggy, your dimwitted worldview only allows you to see what your handlers spoon feed you.


from the link:
LifeSiteNews' Twitter accounts have been temporarily suspended at least four times since 2018; once in error, twice for violating rules against "targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals", and once for violating rules against spreading COVID-19 misinformation.[8][25][26]

LifeSiteNews' YouTube channel was banned in February 2021 for persistently promoting COVID-19 misinformation. One video claimed that COVID-19 was "the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public". Another promoted anti-vaccine sentiment, cast doubt on the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, and stated that COVID-19 "isn’t really killing people right and left that weren’t probably gonna die within the year anyway". These claims contradicted the scientific consensus and reports from authorities like the World Health Organization, and violated YouTube policies on promotion of health misinformation.[27]

LifeSiteNews was permanently banned from Facebook in May 2021 for violations of policies prohibiting COVID-19 misinformation.[11][28] According to LifeSiteNews, Facebook said the ban was related to their policy of removing anti-vaccination accounts, and a Facebook spokesperson allegedly accused LifeSiteNews of disseminating "false information about COVID-19 that could contribute to physical harm".[11] A joint statement signed by Media Matters for America, GLAAD, the Human Rights Campaign, and NARAL Pro-Choice America said they had collected and reported to Facebook over 100 posts by LifeSiteNews that allegedly spread COVID-19 and vaccine-related misinformation. They added that they believed Facebook should have banned the group "years ago" for using the platform to "push its noxious anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice extremism".[29][30][31]

 

[madinsomniac]

Quarter of Covid inpatients being treated for a different illness

NHS statistics show there were 6,146 beds in England taken up by people who were Covid positive on September 14, the latest date with data - but a quarter may have been 'incidental' cases.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Its the daily mail in the link, but the source material is legit…. They didn’t even use the uncorroborated as of yet data crunch that put the number well over half of the cases as pre existing/ observational just like the report here in the us….