Covid Vaccine

[Ron Burgundy]

How many of those in Florida who died voted Democrat? I'm curious.

Before they died, 50%. After they died, 103%.
FYI, immigrants from Mexico and Afghanistan are apparently immune and don't need tests or vaccines.

 

[Steeltime]

Before they died, 50%. After they died, 103%.
FYI, immigrants from Mexico and Afghanistan are apparently immune and don't need tests or vaccines.

Don't forget Haiti, since reportedly a full 1% of their population is vaccinated as they flood Del Rio, Texas.

Want to shut Floggy and Tibilo up regarding the Chinese flu? Ask them to comment on China or tens of thousands of illegals bringing the Chinese flu to America.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Let me be clear, I hope all of you who are a little older, maybe overweight or have diabetes or other conditions, and have not already had covid get the vaccine. I think the data is clear that the benefits outweigh the risk for you. If you are young and healthy or have already had covid, I think it's a different discussion.

So as a previous recovered, healthy, eats right, goes to the gym daily ICS I should tell my employer to **** off for making me get this?

I agree.

god I wish I had the money to do so.

 

[oneforthebus]

So as a previous recovered, healthy, eats right, goes to the gym daily ICS I should tell my employer to **** off for making me get this?

I agree.

god I wish I had the money to do so.

Honestly the risks of the vaccine are very low. I had to get one for my job but I work with elderly so didn't want to take any chances. My point is not whether people should or shouldn't get one. The demonization of people with legitimate concerns and points of discussion is what bothers me.

That said misinformation about vaccine safety bothers me equally.

 

[Sarge]

That said misinformation about vaccine safety bothers me equally.

No ****. Seems the government could have headed off a lot of this stuff if they had just been honest in the first place about the vaccines waning, natural immunity, etc. But hey, blaming facebook and Foxnews works too.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Honestly the risks of the vaccine are very low. I had to get one for my job but I work with elderly so didn't want to take any chances. My point is not whether people should or shouldn't get one. The demonization of people with legitimate concerns and points of discussion is what bothers me.

That said misinformation about vaccine safety bothers me equally.

Mine is that I am forced when it provides no benefits to me.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

No ****. Seems the government could have headed off a lot of this stuff if they had just been honest in the first place about the vaccines waning, natural immunity, etc. But hey, blaming facebook and Foxnews works too.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

2,087 total deaths, unvaccinated 11x more likely to die, more like 1,900.

CDC: Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of COVID-19

"We have the scientific tools we need to turn the corner on this pandemic," CDC director Rochelle Walensky said.

www.axios.com

OFTB beat me to it.

It's Axios. You'd stop there, I won't.

It's a dated study. Why does that matter? The vaxes have a 6 month shelf life. Study done between April-July. By April 1, 102M had the vax. 44M more got it in May. 22M more in June. The rates of dosing petered off after that.

Those who got it in April started seeing the 6 month lag in September.
Those who got it in Jan-Mar saw the lag appear in June, July, August.

Coincides with the rise in breakthrough cases and increasing numbers of vaxed people being hospitalized.

That 11X number is an assumption. Based on dated studies. Before the vaxes lost their gas.

Swing....Miss. You assumed. After stating it as fact.

"1,800 died today who were unvaxed" is a bullshit statement. It's your guess.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Let me be clear, I hope all of you who are a little older, maybe overweight or have diabetes or other conditions, and have not already had covid get the vaccine. I think the data is clear that the benefits outweigh the risk for you. If you are young and healthy or have already had covid, I think it's a different discussion.

I appreciate that and it is sound reasoning. Regardless, the choice should still be an individual's to make. Not the Government's. And I know you don't advocate mandates.

I'm more concerned for my kids. One, the older, must get a jab by Oct 15. No choice or unenroll. Straight A student, loves the school, says he's not leaving school. I can't get Novavax for him. So he's ******. He doesn't need it. He's had Covid. But he is literally being forced to inject. Enraged. He literally doesn't need it. Getting it doesn't help him or society.

The other son is a freshman. His school...so far...is not mandating it.

I'm passionate, as you have all seen, about this discussion. Because of my sons. I said earlier this year we would see mandates. I was worried it would affect my kids. It has, one so far.

Frankly, I'm tired of being right on these predictions and I pray each day more states like MI starting recognizing natural immunity. And I'm praying stuff like Australia gets worse there and riots and fights and demonstrations like we have seen in NYC get worse here too. Fast. Then maybe there is some pause in all this madness and it saves my own from this no-choice situation.

My kids and your kids and all kids...do not need the vaccines. Period.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I appreciate that and it is sound reasoning. Regardless, the choice should still be an individual's to make. Not the Government's. And I know you don't advocate mandates.

I'm more concerned for my kids. One, the older, must get a jab by Oct 15. No choice or unenroll. Straight A student, loves the school, says he's not leaving school. I can't get Novavax for him. So he's ******. He doesn't need it. He's had Covid. But he is literally being forced to inject. Enraged. He literally doesn't need it. Getting it doesn't help him or society.

The other son is a freshman. His school...so far...is not mandating it.

I'm passionate, as you have all seen, about this discussion. Because of my sons. I said earlier this year we would see mandates. I was worried it would affect my kids. It has, one so far.

Frankly, I'm tired of being right on these predictions and I pray each day more states like MI starting recognizing natural immunity. And I'm praying stuff like Australia gets worse there and riots and fights and demonstrations like we have seen in NYC get worse here too. Fast. Then maybe there is some pause in all this madness and it saves my own from this no-choice situation.

My kids and your kids and all kids...do not need the vaccines. Period.

Flog already has his lined up for their 4th poke.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Flog already has his lined up for their 4th poke.

You're assuming this bi-cisgendered person is married, male and has procreated.

How insensitive of you.

 

[Confluence]

Honestly the risks of the vaccine are very low. I had to get one for my job but I work with elderly so didn't want to take any chances. My point is not whether people should or shouldn't get one. The demonization of people with legitimate concerns and points of discussion is what bothers me.

That said misinformation about vaccine safety bothers me equally.

Did you think that you were more likely to catch the Covid from the elderly folks you work with? Didn't you actually have Covid? Not sure I understand your logic in getting the jab....

 

[Confluence]

My kids and your kids and all kids...do not need the vaccines. Period.

Canadian kids getting forced to get the Covid flu shot to play hockey, school sports. My son, in grade 10, very well read up on this, laughs at the teachers preaching VAXVAXVAX (in English class FFS), but still wants to be able to participate in sports. Just like your boy's situation, you can choose to not follow the mandate and be escorted off the property.

 

[Confluence]

And tomorrow is day 1 of mandatory Vaccine Passport for all above 12 in most public indoor places.......this is just crazy.
I would rather they just tatoo my forearm

 

[oneforthebus]

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Did you think that you were more likely to catch the Covid from the elderly folks you work with? Didn't you actually have Covid? Not sure I understand your logic in getting the jab....

I had covid. I am not worried about getting it again. Initially got the vaccine mainly because it absolved me from wearing a mask all day. I do a lot of downsizing, sorting through people's crap, packing and unpacking etc so very physical work. Wearing a mask especially when it's hot is annoying. Later as I started to learn that I could get infected, i.e. I could have virus in my nose even though it's highly unlikely I would get sick, I could possibly still transmit to others. The vast majority of the elderly I work with are vaccinated. However as we know now immune response both to illness and the vaccines is lessened in the elderly. God forbid I get "infected" and infect one of them. I feel much more protected from serious illness than they are. I would hate to be the cause of someone getting sick. Now most of the communities I work with are starting to only allow vaccinated outside vendors into the buildings. I get it. It's a vulnerable population. So while initially it was out of convenience I'm glad I'm vaccinated for other reasons. Again, this is not black and white. The vaccines aren't perfect. They are a tool. If I'm vaccinated and they're vaccinated the risk to them is lower than if only one of us is. It's certainly lower than if neither of us is.

So far none of my clients have gotten seriously ill from covid. I attribute a lot of that to the vaccine.

 

[Confluence]

I had covid. I am not worried about getting it again. Initially got the vaccine mainly because it absolved me from wearing a mask all day. I do a lot of downsizing, sorting through people's crap, packing and unpacking etc so very physical work. Wearing a mask especially when it's hot is annoying. Later as I started to learn that I could get infected, i.e. I could have virus in my nose even though it's highly unlikely I would get sick, I could possibly still transmit to others. The vast majority of the elderly I work with are vaccinated. However as we know now immune response both to illness and the vaccines is lessened in the elderly. God forbid I get "infected" and infect one of them. I feel much more protected from serious illness than they are. I would hate to be the cause of someone getting sick. Now most of the communities I work with are starting to only allow vaccinated outside vendors into the buildings. I get it. It's a vulnerable population. So while initially it was out of convenience I'm glad I'm vaccinated for other reasons. Again, this is not black and white. The vaccines aren't perfect. They are a tool. If I'm vaccinated and they're vaccinated the risk to them is lower than if only one of us is. It's certainly lower than if neither of us is.

So far none of my clients have gotten seriously ill from covid. I attribute a lot of that to the vaccine.

thanks......not sure I understand how being vaccinated lowers the risk of you transmitting Covid to them.

 

[oneforthebus]

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thanks......not sure I understand how being vaccinated lowers the risk of you transmitting Covid to them.

Because viral loads are lower in vaccinated people. At least for some period of time.

Let's put it this way, and I will have to do some searching to find the data again. But you can be vaxxed, "infected" with covid and test positive and not become ill. Because your immune system jumps into action and stops the virus from replicating. So you would be less contagious. Like I said, I think data originally showed the vaccines were very effective at this. Less effective against Delta and less effective over time unfortunately.

Of course my natural immunity probably means the same thing, but back in May when I got vaxxed the data wasn't so clear on that.

 

[Confluence]

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Because viral loads are lower in vaccinated people. At least for some period of time.

Of course my natural immunity probably means the same thing, but back in May when I got vaxxed the data wasn't so clear on that.

The data wasn't clear because they haven't completed any of the clinical studies.

 

[oneforthebus]

I appreciate that and it is sound reasoning. Regardless, the choice should still be an individual's to make. Not the Government's. And I know you don't advocate mandates.

I'm more concerned for my kids. One, the older, must get a jab by Oct 15. No choice or unenroll. Straight A student, loves the school, says he's not leaving school. I can't get Novavax for him. So he's ******. He doesn't need it. He's had Covid. But he is literally being forced to inject. Enraged. He literally doesn't need it. Getting it doesn't help him or society.

The other son is a freshman. His school...so far...is not mandating it.

I'm passionate, as you have all seen, about this discussion. Because of my sons. I said earlier this year we would see mandates. I was worried it would affect my kids. It has, one so far.

Frankly, I'm tired of being right on these predictions and I pray each day more states like MI starting recognizing natural immunity. And I'm praying stuff like Australia gets worse there and riots and fights and demonstrations like we have seen in NYC get worse here too. Fast. Then maybe there is some pause in all this madness and it saves my own from this no-choice situation.

My kids and your kids and all kids...do not need the vaccines. Period.

I will say this Tim if it makes you feel any better. Adverse effects from the vaccine are still very, very rare. My son's third week of college, a few days after the first football game, everyone in his dorm was sick. Most are vaxxed. No one would get tested because they didn't want to leave, so who knows if it was covid or not. But my son got nothing. Maybe the vax after having covid acted as a booster, who knows. Don't forget covid can have long term and adverse effects too. I'm not sure I would have gotten him vaxxed knowing what I know now but after this last experience who knows. Maybe it was for the best.

 

[oneforthebus]

The data wasn't clear because they haven't completed any of the clinical studies.

Yes they had completed the clinical trials. The data wasn't clear on the effectiveness of natural immunity because no one was studying it. There still aren't many studies of it.

 

[Superman]

I’m going to go to the hospital tomorrow. I’ve had enough of this. I intend to do my part in getting this cured. Who else will do the same? Who else is willing to put their money where their emotions are and get chemotherapy so we can eradicate cancer? Apparently until we all get chemo, cancer will thrive.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I will say this Tim if it makes you feel any better. Adverse effects from the vaccine are still very, very rare. My son's third week of college, a few days after the first football game, everyone in his dorm was sick. Most are vaxxed. No one would get tested because they didn't want to leave, so who knows if it was covid or not. But my son got nothing. Maybe the vax after having covid acted as a booster, who knows. Don't forget covid can have long term and adverse effects too. I'm not sure I would have gotten him vaxxed knowing what I know now but after this last experience who knows. Maybe it was for the best.

Both of my sons now avoid getting tested again, vociferously, to avoid just that. They have a sniffle and are like "no way I'm not locking down again." I had to force my youngest to get tested the second time he had Covid.

People can judge all you want and I really don't ******* care. My youngest spent 30 days in quarantine during his senior year summer that he should have been enjoying. But we followed precautions. Covid took precious, memorable days from him....after losing his entire Senior year in HS, part of his Junior year, his prom, his senior basketball season, his senior Home Coming, all football games he would have attended and events, hanging out with his friends. It destroyed him and he suffered mentally.

No one talks about this. But college kids across the country are full on "**** tests I'm not doing it, if I have it I have it I'm not going through that hell again."

Elections have consequences. So do lockdowns and mandates. Kids and younger adults are (and trust me, my kids are not nearly alone....millions feel this way) intentionally not getting tested when they should because they've been through it and refuse to have their youth stolen from them any longer.

Don't blame them.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Because viral loads are lower in vaccinated people. At least for some period of time.

That is no longer fact or true, sorry.

Delta: Virus levels as high in vaccinated as in unvaccinated adults

A study shows that people vaccinated against coronavirus with the Delta variant had similar peak viral levels to those without vaccination.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

How do vaccinated people spread Delta? What the science says

Emerging data suggest that Delta could spread more readily than other coronavirus variants among people vaccinated against COVID-19. But key questions remain.

www.nature.com

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people had comparably low Ct values, indicating high viral loads, and of the 133 samples sequenced, 90% were identified as Delta.

Vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals have similar viral loads in communities with a high prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 delta variant

SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.617.2 (delta) is associated with higher viral loads [[1][1]] and increased transmissibility relative to other variants, as well as partial escape from polyclonal and monoclonal antibodies [[2][2]]. The emergence of the delta variant has been associated with increasing case...

www.medrxiv.org

Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated

Oxford research indicates people who catch the Delta variant despite vaccination may pose a significant infection risk, even though they're unlikely to get seriously ill.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[jitter77]

I’m going to go to the hospital tomorrow. I’ve had enough of this. I intend to do my part in getting this cured. Who else will do the same? Who else is willing to put their money where their emotions are and get chemotherapy so we can eradicate cancer? Apparently until we all get chemo, cancer will thrive.

I hope you are being sarcastic because comparing an infectious disease to cancer is ignorant. Also chemo is a treatment for cancer not a cancer vaccine. Comparing the 2 is not even in the same ballpark.
Also the whole notion of herd immunity does not hold up. There is no herd immunity for several diseases such as the common cold and flu so I am not sure why people think it will work for COVID? I think the vax should be a personal choice especially with how quick it was rolled out, but some of the statements on here are head scratching.

 

[Tibs]