• Please be aware we've switched the forums to their own URL. (again) You'll find the new website address to be www.steelernationforum.com Thanks
  • Please clear your private messages. Your inbox is close to being full.

Covid Vaccine

Steeltime said:
Update on efficacy of vaccine in preventing transmission. Let's be clear - preventing transmission is the ONLY viable justification for forcing people to take a medicine they don't want.



DEFINE_ME

www.thelancet.com

The rate of transmission by the vaccinated is indeed somewhat lower in the study than the transmission by the unvaccinated (not by much but let's try to be legitimate here), but nowhere near the rate difference needed to justify an order that the unwilling take the vaccine.

The vaccine gives recipients a LOT of protection from downside from the Chinese flu. However, it does NOT prevent transmission. Sorry, Floggy, it doesn't.

Which answers Tim's repeated question as to why the vaccine rates seem to have zero correlation with infection rates. Answer: Because the vaccine does not prevent infection and transmission and instead greatly reduces symptomatology.

Like a shot, not a vaccine.
Click to expand...
Its the flu, bro
 
And don't forget his Mussolini joke. Which if that was the Bad Orange Man, articles of impeachment would have already been drawn up.
 
And word is, when a staffer said "Mr. Potato, err, Mr. President, you're in Rome" - he thought they said "Throne".
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
You've been reduced to splitting hairs.

If someone proved to you that 60% of the deaths were among the vaccinated, you'd say "See it protected 40% of people."

When the Gubmint tells you the vaccines are 90+% effective in reducing serious illness and death, and nearly 25% of your deaths are among the vaxed, someone be lying.

These vaccines are the worst main-stream vaccines provided to mankind and fall incredibly short of their promise.
Click to expand...
That doesn’t even make sense, Tim. The 40% would then be the unvaccinated deaths. I don’t think you understand what the percentages represent.

1/5,000 vaccinated have died of Covid, that’s 99.98 protection.

Every comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths shows MULTIPLE TIMES higher deaths in the unvaccinated. 11X, 9x, etc. pretty close to 90% is it not?
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
LMAO. You are seriously hopeless. We have two control groups. Last year compared to this year. Last year we had no one vaccinated. This year, by today, we are nearly 3/4s vaxed.

If the vaccines were making a difference, deaths would not be greater this year (a vaccinated year) than last year (an unvaccinated year). Cases would not be greater.

I know it's hard to fathom, but when they do trials of medicines, they look to different groups to compare results. When you administer a drug and the results show no improvement, you typically redesign or abandon the drug.

Vaccines abound. Deaths surpassed last year.

A hell of an indictment.
Click to expand...
Here’s an indictment: You obviously don’t understand what a control group is. There is ONE control group - the unvaccinated. The vaccinated are the TREATMENT group. Researchers don’t mix treatment and control groups and then make comparisons which is exactly what you are doing. Your comparison of years in nonsensical. Find one research article trying to make a similar comparison, I’ll wait.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
South Dakota's current death rate is 0.3/100K. Zero growth in deaths in 7 days. Only 53% vaxed
Missouri's current death rate is 0.2/100K. A drop of 6% in deaths in 7 days. Only 50% vaxed

Maine's current death rate is 0.5/100K. 75% increase in deaths in 7 days. 70% vaxed.
Vermont's current death rate is 0.3/100K. A 100% increase in deaths in 7 days. 71.3% vaxed.

What's your explanation for that?

It's almost as if....(finish the sentence Floggy)
Click to expand...
Provide the vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths for each, Tim. I bet that explains it, much like this explains WV’s disgrace…

www.wvgazettemail.com

With unvaccinated accounting for 93% of WV COVID-19 deaths, Dr. Marsh reinforces need for shots

West Virginia’s COVID-19 death toll reached 4,219 Wednesday, including 2,878 deaths of unvaccinated or partially vaccinated individuals since vaccines became available, a point state coronavirus czar Dr. Clay Marsh drove
www.wvgazettemail.com www.wvgazettemail.com
 
Badcat said:
No, No, No...Stay on topic. We aren't talking about West Virginia but I will engage you about it once we've concluded with Ireland. You need to explain why the cases are up 280% with a 90% vaccination rate in that country.
Click to expand...
It’s the unvaccinated, and their deaths aren’t increasing in proportion to cases - something about the vaccine preventing serious illness…

graphics.reuters.com

Ireland: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps

Tracking the COVID-19 outbreak, updated daily
graphics.reuters.com graphics.reuters.com

www.newstalk.com

COVID Ireland: 2,066 cases with two-thirds of ICU patients unvaccinated | Newstalk

A further 2,066 COVID cases have been announced this evening.The Health Protection Surveillance ...
www.newstalk.com www.newstalk.com
 
Troglodyte said:
It’s the unvaccinated, and their deaths aren’t increasing in proportion to cases - something about the vaccine preventing serious illness…

graphics.reuters.com

Ireland: the latest coronavirus counts, charts and maps

Tracking the COVID-19 outbreak, updated daily
graphics.reuters.com graphics.reuters.com

www.newstalk.com

COVID Ireland: 2,066 cases with two-thirds of ICU patients unvaccinated | Newstalk

A further 2,066 COVID cases have been announced this evening.The Health Protection Surveillance ...
www.newstalk.com www.newstalk.com
Click to expand...
That means that one third are vaccinated. That is 1 in 3 damn man you are proving Tim's point.
 
Does the vaccine work?
Yes - you are protected. It doesn’t matter if your neighbor is not.
No - you are not protected. It doesn’t matter if your neighbor is also unprotected.

Please explain how one can believe simultaneously that the vaccine does work, and a vaccinated person is still in danger of getting sick from an unvaccinated person.
 
Troglodyte said:
That doesn’t even make sense, Tim. The 40% would then be the unvaccinated deaths. I don’t think you understand what the percentages represent.

1/5,000 vaccinated have died of Covid, that’s 99.98 protection.

Every comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths shows MULTIPLE TIMES higher deaths in the unvaccinated. 11X, 9x, etc. pretty close to 90% is it not?
Click to expand...

LMAO you keep making the mistake of referring to the "vaccinated population" - utter idiocy.

In 2020, you and the media kept running around talking about the "supposed" IFR for Covid by only considering "validated" Covid. You would divide deaths by cases only and scream and yell the IFR was some ridiculous rate. Never did any of you include "assumed and asymptomatic" cases. Why? Because you and the media wanted the IFR to look really bad. You intentionally left out a population.

Now you want to judge the vaccines by using the ENTIRE vaccinated population. Moron LMAO

There's no guarantee that 100% of the people who got vaccinated would have EVER gotten Covid. Ever.

I'm fed up with the media using this tactic. "We have 3 million out of 5 million people vaccinated here in **** State. We have had 259 deaths among the vaccinated. 259 divided by 3Million vaxed is nothing!!" It's the opposite of last year. Now the intent is to water down how many people who are vaccinated are really dying.

You absolutely look at those who have died and whether they were vaccinated or not. It's that simple. You do not say "But these deaths were x% of the overall vaxed population."

It's intentionally deceptive.
 
Troglodyte said:
Here’s an indictment: You obviously don’t understand what a control group is. There is ONE control group - the unvaccinated. The vaccinated are the TREATMENT group. Researchers don’t mix treatment and control groups and then make comparisons which is exactly what you are doing. Your comparison of years in nonsensical. Find one research article trying to make a similar comparison, I’ll wait.
Click to expand...

It's the perfect comparison. You compare a year where there were no vaccines with a year where vaccines were MASSIVELY deployed in a population. You can't have a better compare.

If the vaccines work, provide one "logical" explanation why the US saw 7.4% more deaths and cases in 2021 v 2020?

If the vaccines work, why did deaths in Maine increase by 128% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in OR increase by 91% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in CA increase by 74% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in WA increase this year by 46%?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in Israel increase by 42% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in VT increase by 58% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in NH increase by 3% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in NM increase by 2% this year?

You're the only tool in the world stupid enough to argue that the vaccines are highly effective as you watch deaths and cases increase in the populations that are vaxed. Repeat that 25 times in your head.
 
Troglodyte said:
Provide the vaccinated vs unvaccinated deaths for each, Tim. I bet that explains it, much like this explains WV’s disgrace…

www.wvgazettemail.com

With unvaccinated accounting for 93% of WV COVID-19 deaths, Dr. Marsh reinforces need for shots

West Virginia’s COVID-19 death toll reached 4,219 Wednesday, including 2,878 deaths of unvaccinated or partially vaccinated individuals since vaccines became available, a point state coronavirus czar Dr. Clay Marsh drove
www.wvgazettemail.com www.wvgazettemail.com
Click to expand...

No tard, you were here screaming about SD and ND and the others.

Why do you no longer scream about them?

They are doing exceptionally well. Why? Some vaccines + a lot of natural immunity and their deaths per 100K are among the nation's leaders. Faring better than states far, far more vaccinated.

A piss poor indictment of the vaccines. Again.
 
Troglodyte said:
1/5,000 vaccinated have died of Covid, that’s 99.98 protection.
Click to expand...

At least 110 million, more likely 125 million, have recovered from the Chinese flu and have natural immunity.

Unfortunately, 748,500 died with the Chinese flu.

That works out to a mortality rate of 0.6%.

In conclusion, the vaccine increases the survival rate from the Chinese flu from 99.4% to 99.98%. That of course assumes (1) that all the deaths attributed to the Chinese flu were in fact caused by the Chinese flu and (2) we simply dismiss any other data about deaths following vaccination and presume none of those was caused by the Chinese flu.

Thanks for playing.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Does the vaccine work?
Yes - you are protected. It doesn’t matter if your neighbor is not.
No - you are not protected. It doesn’t matter if your neighbor is also unprotected.

Please explain how one can believe simultaneously that the vaccine does work, and a vaccinated person is still in danger of getting sick from an unvaccinated person.
Click to expand...

Anyone? *crickets*

200.webp
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
It's the perfect comparison. You compare a year where there were no vaccines with a year where vaccines were MASSIVELY deployed in a population. You can't have a better compare.

If the vaccines work, provide one "logical" explanation why the US saw 7.4% more deaths and cases in 2021 v 2020?

If the vaccines work, why did deaths in Maine increase by 128% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in OR increase by 91% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in CA increase by 74% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in WA increase this year by 46%?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in Israel increase by 42% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in VT increase by 58% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in NH increase by 3% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in NM increase by 2% this year?

You're the only tool in the world stupid enough to argue that the vaccines are highly effective as you watch deaths and cases increase in the populations that are vaxed. Repeat that 25 times in your head.
Click to expand...
My co-worker was out at the end of last week and all of this week, first her husband tested positive for the 'Rona then a few days later she did.
They were both vaccinated.
We had no Covid cases at the funeral home for 6 months then in October we had 4.
Just my observations.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
LMAO you keep making the mistake of referring to the "vaccinated population" - utter idiocy.

In 2020, you and the media kept running around talking about the "supposed" IFR for Covid by only considering "validated" Covid. You would divide deaths by cases only and scream and yell the IFR was some ridiculous rate. Never did any of you include "assumed and asymptomatic" cases. Why? Because you and the media wanted the IFR to look really bad. You intentionally left out a population.

Now you want to judge the vaccines by using the ENTIRE vaccinated population. Moron LMAO

There's no guarantee that 100% of the people who got vaccinated would have EVER gotten Covid. Ever.

I'm fed up with the media using this tactic. "We have 3 million out of 5 million people vaccinated here in **** State. We have had 259 deaths among the vaccinated. 259 divided by 3Million vaxed is nothing!!" It's the opposite of last year. Now the intent is to water down how many people who are vaccinated are really dying.

You absolutely look at those who have died and whether they were vaccinated or not. It's that simple. You do not say "But these deaths were x% of the overall vaxed population."

It's intentionally deceptive.
Click to expand...
WHAT. THE. ****???

Could you please find an article that articulates whatever it is you are trying to say?
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
It's the perfect comparison. You compare a year where there were no vaccines with a year where vaccines were MASSIVELY deployed in a population. You can't have a better compare.

If the vaccines work, provide one "logical" explanation why the US saw 7.4% more deaths and cases in 2021 v 2020?

If the vaccines work, why did deaths in Maine increase by 128% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in OR increase by 91% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in CA increase by 74% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in WA increase this year by 46%?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in Israel increase by 42% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in VT increase by 58% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in NH increase by 3% this year?
If the vaccines work, why did deaths in NM increase by 2% this year?

You're the only tool in the world stupid enough to argue that the vaccines are highly effective as you watch deaths and cases increase in the populations that are vaxed. Repeat that 25 times in your head.
Click to expand...
It’s not binary, TIm. No state is entirely vaccinated or entirely unvaccinated. None of the states were anywhere near to being mostly vaccinated in the first three months of the year during the winter surge. To correlate those deaths with vaccination is idiotic, IDEOLOGICAL spin.
 
Troglodyte said:
WHAT. THE. ****???

Could you please find an article that articulates whatever it is you are trying to say?
Click to expand...

You don't judge the vaccines' effectiveness by saying only "X percent" of "those vaccinated" died. It's stats abuse.

You look at what % of cases were vaxed people.
What % of deaths were vaxed people.
What % of hospitalizations were vaxed people.

You do NOT say "we inoculated 3.2 million and only 497 of them got Covid." Unless you are abusing stats for political gain.
 
Troglodyte said:
It’s not binary, TIm. No state is entirely vaccinated or entirely unvaccinated. None of the states were anywhere near to being mostly vaccinated in the first three months of the year during the winter surge. To correlate those deaths with vaccination is idiotic, IDEOLOGICAL spin.
Click to expand...

Of course it's not binary tool. But you would see SOME positivity from the MASS VACCINATION.

In those areas, we saw NONE.

These vaccines suck.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top