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Dj contract as camp approaches

madinsomniac said:
Then he is free to seek a trade… even at the 300 million the cap will be at when his next deal likely expires, 20 mil plus for a wr is way overpriced… the contract for a good, not great, wr, QB and Lt cant add up to be 1/3 of your cap and thats the direction its going even with the cap raising 20 mil a year for the next six years

i was on board signing him long term when the discussion was 12-15… i can sort of flesh out 18 mil though that is pushing it, but 20 mil plus is stupid money… let other teams do that ****.. get the right qb and wr matters a lot less…
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Too many teams throwing crazy money out there
 
Fiji Mariner said:
How do you intend to move him for a premium pick next year? Or are you saying move him now and send the message to all the vets that we’re in rebuild mode. I wouldn’t move him this year to get a 2nd when we’ll likely get a third round comp for him anyways
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I'd explore moving him now and if lets say a team is willing to give you that second round pick, absolutely move him. Look, we're good at finding receivers, especially diamonds in the rough. As for the compensatory pick, when the hell do we ever get a third round pick? Seems like we always get fourth and fifth rounders. The Ravens are the team that seems to understand how this works since they always seem to pick up third rounders. I think we have enough young talent that we can move this guy now if we can get a premium pick. If not, then do nothing. Let him walk next year. No way I pay this guy 22 million per season.
 
I figured we get the 3rd just because the way the formula works and how much money some dumb teams are throwing at WRs. If someone gives him 20m+ he will net a third unless we go crazy grabbing a 20m tackle.

Just for players like Cam I’d keep him for the year to remain as competitive as possible this year and then take the 3rd (or 4th) next year over just moving up to a 2nd and sending that sort of message to a guy like Cam who really deserves a ring.

Now if some dumbass team came calling with a first or more, then it becomes an easier decision.
 
My apprehension in trading him now is Claypool under achieving and the other two guys that figure to be factors are rookies…one with a bit of an injury history
 
I think you wait as long as possible before you tag him. See what jhe brings to the table this year (I anticipate a lot) and act accordingly.

That will also give us time to see the two rookies in action and anticipate their potential. Same on Chase.

18 mil 4yrs w/ 5 th option, may not get it done but i'd put that offer on the table. ( a bunch guaranteed).

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slashsteel said:
He has cleaned up a lot of those drops. If I had to point out the annoying part of his game to me it would be when he backtracks trying to get extra yardage. That **** annoys the hell out of me.
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He didn't clean up enough of them. Too sawft. He can be replaced, ain't worth $20M. Very different than say, TJ and Minkah who you can not just go to the draft and replace.
 
Participation described on Steelers Depot smells of a hold in. But that probably means both sides are relatively close.
 
If they are close, I hope it is well below $20 million per. I think it's a huge mistake to sign a good WR for the $20+ million per that some started getting this year. Elite, sure. Good, no way. DJ has not shown to be elite. He is not top 10 and I don't think even top 20 at this point. WR's don't touch the ball enough to pay them that much. Let him play out his contract and either tag him or let him go since they didn't trade him in time as other teams did.
 
I like DJ as a receiver and am with TDX, that if he is to sign a long-term deal it is under $20 million ($17-18 million range). The Steelers are in a bit of a spot with the lack of proven talent at the position, but Johnson also isn't the type of guy they normally build around with a monster contract.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
The arm talent is still there but the legs were gone. If Ben could do more he would have and would still be playing this year. I don’t think Canada is that good of a coordinator and his track record has shown that, but no OC comes in and wants to throw short passes most of the time and not use the middle of the field at all. The QB was a limiting factor last season.
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The lack of middle field throws is baffling. Ben threw plenty over the middle throughout his career. Why would he all of a sudden not want to go over the middle?

Ben is still physically on par with Brady. Manning won a Super Bowl with a noodle arm. There are things that a GOOD coordinator can do with a veteran QB that isn't mobile.

If your NFL offense REQUIRES a mobile QB then your offense sucks.
 
DJ taking the "Watt route" from last year is a bit concerning. If he doesn't practice, he doesn't play. At least that has been Tomlin's moto in the past. He is not good enough to demand anything and shouldn't be given anything. Watt is, more than likely, going to be a HOFer if he plays just a couple more years at his current level. I sure hope the Steelers do not cave for a good but not elite player.
 
WoW, DJ holding the STEELERS hostage............................................

I'm pretty sure the STEELERS have their number already chosen and this is all proxy to get there. He definately will NOT replicate TJ WATT's outcome.

Maybe he gets a little more $$$ but I see it as the STEELERS hold the cards and while DJ is holding out the other WRs are getting more snaps / coaching time / evaluation / and developement. Maybe they see they can take the gamble and let him sit.? I know our WR room is young but eventually DJ has to show boat his talent if he is going to get paid hence his release or next years' negotiations.


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F83 said:
Right now if we let dj go we will not have a true 1 wr chase is best suited as a 2 Austin slot pickens also has more traits of a 2 dj can run all the routes chase he have seen his great frame and speed, I still think with internal growth maturity and a better qb he can reach Julio jones level in his prime he is bigger faster just needs to polish route running and consistency. I think both chase and pickens look the ceiling can be as high as Julio or burress I think Austin could be like sanders or randle el if so that’s a poor man’s ab.
Everything is messed up because of Kirk deal guy had 77/982/ 5 vs dj 101/1167/8 Kirk deal 4/72 20 bonus 37 guaranteed if we can open up and try to get him on a home town discount incentive laced deal that’s the only way I see him staying if u tag him it’s 20 million next yr he can agree to something like this 4 years 66 million 26 million bonus 30 guaranteed and make it each year he goes over 1000 yds 2.5 mill bonus as well as double digit td. You let him walk or trade for picks your top 2 needs are cb and wr. He is a game changer
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I'm buying you a personal assistant for Christmas.

Man, this was super hard to read...
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
you don't get in cap trouble by paying great players, you get in cap trouble by paying good players at great player rates.

The Chiefs decided to let Tyreek Hill leave because it was too much money. Same with the Titans dealing AJ Brown. There have been tons of quality WRs coming into the league for years. There's a surplus now.

I can't see paying DJ top money.
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When this debate first started and we were talking 15 mil or less, i was all about it… i think people were balking at the earliest suggestions of 12-14 because of his drops, but the reality is his drop rate hasn’t been irrationally higher than other top receivers except that one season …

He is often cited as the best Route runner in the NFL, and the modern game is extremely friendly to those type of players… so he will make bank if he has a great year… but lets be realistic… talent wise he is behind chase and Pickens… 20 mil plus isn’t reasonable right now… tag him next year if need be…. Sign and trade him if it comes to that, but don’t just throw that dough at him and make is eat the guaranteed money if the other two excel … especially if Austin works as a slot guy…
 
madinsomniac said:
When this debate first started and we were talking 15 mil or less, i was all about it… i think people were balking at the earliest suggestions of 12-14 because of his drops, but the reality is his drop rate hasn’t been irrationally higher than other top receivers except that one season …

He is often cited as the best Route runner in the NFL, and the modern game is extremely friendly to those type of players… so he will make bank if he has a great year… but lets be realistic… talent wise he is behind chase and Pickens… 20 mil plus isn’t reasonable right now… tag him next year if need be…. Sign and trade him if it comes to that, but don’t just throw that dough at him and make is eat the guaranteed money if the other two excel … especially if Austin works as a slot guy…
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To add onto this, I would rather see the Steelers invest that money into one or two linemen next offseason. As it's already been alluded to, there are so many excellent receivers coming into the NFL right now you don't need to pay them unless you have a total stud. Johnson is probably in the 20-30 range in terms of rankings.
 
I think there are several potential draftees next year that could come in and play if need be… most of the draft mags have Addison as a low first rounder… he is a better version of DJ. He just transferred to USC so there is a chance he has an acclamation period and doesn’t increase his stock… he probably comes out next year if he is a surefire first round pick … then you have a cheaper version of him… thats of course assuming that the other wideouts we have dont show they can handle it
 
and now you have a weak *** player sitting out trying to get paid. Showed up but won't practice. He's going to end up losing his spot to Pickens and Austin, but hey we know this kid is all about the dropsies.
 
Terry McLaurin signed a few weeks ago for an average of 23.3 Million. Today, DK Metcalf just got an extension that brings his average to 24 million. Deebo Samuel is doing a Hold In and will likely get a bit more than Metcalf.

DJ will want something very similar. I can't see paying that for a WR.
 
I wouldn't pay 20+ million per for a WR unless he was truly elite (top 5 or maybe top 10 talent). DJ is not that. I'd take my chances with what we have and look to draft another guy in the first 3 rounds next year. Between Claypool, Pickens, Austin, a top draft pick, and the others, I am sure we can field a very good WR set without DJ. Drafting a WR almost every year is going to become the norm. You can either pay that ridiculous amount to a player that doesn't get many touches in a game or you keep restocking each year.
 
He has expressed desire to a Steeler since camp opened hopefully Kahn and DJ agent can work out a deal before Sept, DJ runs almost as good routes as AB and his slot shake is just deadly
 
F83 said:
He has expressed desire to a Steeler since camp opened hopefully Kahn and DJ agent can work out a deal before Sept, DJ runs almost as good routes as AB and his slot shake is just deadly
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AB caught the ball and made plays as a punt returner. DJ caught a lot of balls, but he isn't the playmaker AB was....he also doesn't have the hands to be in the same sentence. We saw games where AB took over; like against Denver's no fly zone secondary and AB ******* torched them. Never seen DJ take over a game.
 
TDX27 said:
I wouldn't pay 20+ million per for a WR unless he was truly elite (top 5 or maybe top 10 talent). DJ is not that. I'd take my chances with what we have and look to draft another guy in the first 3 rounds next year. Between Claypool, Pickens, Austin, a top draft pick, and the others, I am sure we can field a very good WR set without DJ. Drafting a WR almost every year is going to become the norm. You can either pay that ridiculous amount to a player that doesn't get many touches in a game or you keep restocking each year.
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The more I think about this, Johnson probably should fall somewhere between $20-22 million. Kirk is a bottom line at $18 million and I'm taking DJ 10 out of 10 times over him. I think McLaurin is the better player and that sets the cap on the high end for DJ. There are probably around 10 guys I'd take over him, so coming in around the 8-10th highest cap hit on a new contract isn't totally unreasonable, particularly that I think he's really talented and in the ballpark of what McLaurin brings. What I keep coming back to is he just doesn't have the feel of the type of wide receiver the Steelers typically sign to a long-term deal and I really want to see what he can do with an offense that should open up more this year.
 
Looking at these WR contracts, DJ is completely justified in asking for over $20 per season. He’d be foolish to accept less. The question is whether the Steelers want to pay a WR that much. I think the answer will be no and DJ will play out his deal and then get paid elsewhere next year.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
The more I think about this, Johnson probably should fall somewhere between $20-22 million. Kirk is a bottom line at $18 million and I'm taking DJ 10 out of 10 times over him. I think McLaurin is the better player and that sets the cap on the high end for DJ. There are probably around 10 guys I'd take over him, so coming in around the 8-10th highest cap hit on a new contract isn't totally unreasonable, particularly that I think he's really talented and in the ballpark of what McLaurin brings. What I keep coming back to is he just doesn't have the feel of the type of wide receiver the Steelers typically sign to a long-term deal and I really want to see what he can do with an offense that should open up more this year.
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I rattled off 20 guys I'd take over DJ at the end of this past season. He is not a top 10 WR and I really don't think he is top 20 right now. He may get there. He is not elite. For the position, I just can't see paying $20 million or more for any WR unless they are truly elite. DJ is not in that category so, if it were my team, the $16 to 18 million is as high as I'd go. ****, at the end of the season, $15 million sounded like a good deal for both sides.
 
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