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What, you mean evidence is important when making claims?
FBI executes search warrant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago
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I'm now convinced that an IQ of 21 is over estimated.
At some point there will be the piece posted here about the espionage act that all the libs are passing around… it’s written by a lawyer that purports to specialize in national security law… it’s written like a liberal propaganda sheet… real or not, it fails to address that several Presidents took such classified documents when they left and the court system routinely ruled that they weren’t liable to it… this is a legal opinion from a biased source… trust me, I’ve learned a long time ago that ten lawyers reading the same code can find ten different interpretations
Thats why precedent matters a lot..
Its also what libs call an appeal to authority logical fallacy when the shoe is on the other foot..
Points to ponder when it inevitably circulates in this direction
Thats why precedent matters a lot..
Its also what libs call an appeal to authority logical fallacy when the shoe is on the other foot..
Points to ponder when it inevitably circulates in this direction
You seem to be fond of opinions that suit your agenda.
Newsflash MaskBoy....90% of coverage you've gotten on this from any network regardless what side is opinion.
He speaks for a large % of Americans, opinion or not. We give 2 flying ***** that you disagree with it.
You really aren't that in touch with the world are you? You might want to look into Bill Clinton, Obama, and...hell every other President. They ALL take documents when they leave. All of them. Heard of Presidential libraries? Many of those documents go to those as well.
For you to even insinuate that a former President of the United States can't and shouldn't leave office with documents may your dumbest assertion yet.
Yes they all take documents after having them declassified. As Clinton, Obama, and Trump did. Unlike Hillary did however. Bad compare, she was never President
F.B.I. Interviewed Top White House Lawyers About Missing Trump Documents
Pat A. Cipollone and Patrick F. Philbin, the White House counsel and his deputy under President Donald J. Trump, were
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Pat A. Cipollone and Patrick F. Philbin, the White House counsel and his deputy under President Donald J. Trump, were interviewed by the F.B.I. in connection with boxes of sensitive documents that were stored at Mr. Trump’s residence in Florida after he left office, three people familiar with the matter said.
Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin are the most senior people who worked for Mr. Trump who are known to have been interviewed by investigators after the National Archives referred the matter to the Justice Department this year.
Mr. Philbin was interviewed in the spring, according to two of the people familiar with the matter, as investigators reached out to members of Mr. Trump’s circle to find out how 15 boxes of material — some of it marked as classified — made its way to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla. It was unclear when Mr. Cipollone was interviewed.
Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin were Mr. Trump’s representatives to deal with the National Archives; they were named to the positions shortly before the president’s term ended, in January 2021. At some point after National Archives officials realized they did not have Trump White House documents, which are required to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act, they contacted Mr. Philbin for help returning them.
A spokesperson for Mr. Philbin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Philbin tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussions said. But the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.
“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” several advisers say Mr. Trump told them.
The former president returned 15 boxes of material to the National Archives in January, but the Justice Department issued a subpoena in May for documents that were still at his residence. On June 3, counterintelligence officials with the Justice Department’s national security division went to Mar-a-Lago to collect remaining documents with classified markings.
At that point, at least one Trump lawyer signed a statement saying material with the classified markings had been returned, according to four people familiar with the document. But officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago and saw something that alarmed them. They also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said.
Mr. Philbin is among eight people who currently or used to work for Mr. Trump who have been contacted by the F.B.I. since a grand jury was formed this year. Investigators also interviewed Derek Lyons, a former White House staff secretary.
Mr. Lyons’s last day at the White House was Dec. 18, 2020, meaning he did not know how the last boxes were packed as Mr. Trump prepared to leave. But he had information about paper flow in the White House and how the former president handled material.
The F.B.I. has reached out to about a half-dozen people who currently work for Mr. Trump and who might know what documents he may still have in his possession.
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Seth Dillon nails it beginning at 2:53.
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As I said earlier - this nation is toast.
Scenario 1 trump took some critical national security documents 18 months ago, the Feds never realized it was gone until just now, got a warrant, then waited several more days until it was politically perfect to do so, then raided him
Conclusion: the feds are incompetent and politically tainted.
Solution: Dismantle and rebuild the three letter agencies.
Scenario 2. The Feds knew Trump took critical national security documents 18 months ago and waited until just before the midterms to act on it
Conclusion: the feds are politically motivated and corrupt.
Solution: Dismantle and rebuild the three letter agencies.
Pick your poison Dems… there is no third option here….
Edit, I am wrong… there is a third option..
The Feds knew there wasn’t a real tangible crime here so they circumvented the typical processes of verifying their legal interpretation through independent legal oversight divisions and got a judge who had just had to recuse himself from trump related shenanigans in a prior case this year to sign off on a warrant timing it perfectly with the pre midterm ramp up… an escalation that was not supported by facts or precedent
Conclusion: the feds are horribly corrupt and the only solution is totally revamping them and possibly prosecuting the higher ups driving this nonsense
Conclusion: the feds are incompetent and politically tainted.
Solution: Dismantle and rebuild the three letter agencies.
Scenario 2. The Feds knew Trump took critical national security documents 18 months ago and waited until just before the midterms to act on it
Conclusion: the feds are politically motivated and corrupt.
Solution: Dismantle and rebuild the three letter agencies.
Pick your poison Dems… there is no third option here….
Edit, I am wrong… there is a third option..
The Feds knew there wasn’t a real tangible crime here so they circumvented the typical processes of verifying their legal interpretation through independent legal oversight divisions and got a judge who had just had to recuse himself from trump related shenanigans in a prior case this year to sign off on a warrant timing it perfectly with the pre midterm ramp up… an escalation that was not supported by facts or precedent
Conclusion: the feds are horribly corrupt and the only solution is totally revamping them and possibly prosecuting the higher ups driving this nonsense
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******* perfect!
no, not when making claims that confirm your political bias.
"obviously"
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AFTER HAVING THEM DECLASSIFIEDYou really aren't that in touch with the world are you? You might want to look into Bill Clinton, Obama, and...hell every other President. They ALL take documents when they leave. All of them. Heard of Presidential libraries? Many of those documents go to those as well.
For you to even insinuate that a former President of the United States can't and shouldn't leave office with documents may your dumbest assertion yet.
Yes they all take documents after having them declassified. As Clinton, Obama, and Trump did. Unlike Hillary did however. Bad compare, she was never President
What don’t you get about the raid?
They were declassified. PROVE they weren't.
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It actually doesn’t matter, not all documents can be taken or concealed regardless of classification.
Translation: I cannot prove they were or weren't declassified. /Floggy
It bears repeating a millionth time. You suck at this.
From Politico, nonetheless
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Former President Donald Trump claims to have verbally declassified the sensitive records the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago compound. It’s not as unprecedented or outlandish an argument as widely believed — if he can prove it happened.
Nearly 20 years ago, Justice Department prosecutors wrestled with the vexing question of whether President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney could unilaterally authorize Cheney’s chief of staff Scooter Libby to leak to select journalists the key findings of a then-highly-classified intelligence community-wide report on Iraq’s efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction...
The Libby case is not an apples-to-apples parallel to the current dispute over Trump’s handling of classified materials, but it shows that past prosecutors have seen some nuance in exactly how a president may be able to declassify information without a clear paper trail.
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Now if they go after Trump further for this, it will just cement in Americans' minds what a sham the FBI and the DOJ and Government is in general, given Hillary's taking and storing of classified documents was far more egregious than this, including the known fact that she got rid of some 30K+ emails we'll never be able to track/trace.
If he gets punished while she skated free, it's just one more push to the abyss.
Why Donald Trump’s declassification claim might not be that outlandish
The Scooter Libby case under George W. Bush showed that presidents can declassify materials without a clear paper trail.
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Former President Donald Trump claims to have verbally declassified the sensitive records the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago compound. It’s not as unprecedented or outlandish an argument as widely believed — if he can prove it happened.
Nearly 20 years ago, Justice Department prosecutors wrestled with the vexing question of whether President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney could unilaterally authorize Cheney’s chief of staff Scooter Libby to leak to select journalists the key findings of a then-highly-classified intelligence community-wide report on Iraq’s efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction...
The Libby case is not an apples-to-apples parallel to the current dispute over Trump’s handling of classified materials, but it shows that past prosecutors have seen some nuance in exactly how a president may be able to declassify information without a clear paper trail.
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Now if they go after Trump further for this, it will just cement in Americans' minds what a sham the FBI and the DOJ and Government is in general, given Hillary's taking and storing of classified documents was far more egregious than this, including the known fact that she got rid of some 30K+ emails we'll never be able to track/trace.
If he gets punished while she skated free, it's just one more push to the abyss.
There is a good piece in the usa today about why that take is not true.
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Steven Aftergood, a leading authority on classified information policy. “It was giving one-time permission to a particular individual to disclose information to another particular individual … It highlights the fact that the president purports to, or does, stand outside of the classification system.”
That is from Politico. I increased the font size and bolded the important **** so that you actually SEE it, READ it, and surely you WON'T comprehend it. You're on here spewing **** you know nothing about and won't take the time to learn about it.
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They haven’t been unsealed. You can’t prove they were declassified.
It bears repeating a millionth time: You’re ******* pointless!
False.
- Trump took the documents with him when still President of the United States. Fact.
- Any time a President decides to declassify a document, either in a written process or by action, the document is declassified. Fact.
- "The President, after all, is the 'Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.' U.S. Const., Art. II, 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant." DEPARTMENT OF NAVY v. EGAN (1988) 484 U.S. 518, 524, 108 S.Ct. 818, 98 L.Ed.2d 918.
- Any person who believes the raid was anything other than a desperate political stunt before the midterms is an idiot. Fact.
- Floggy believes the raid was legitimate.
- You do to the rest.