Franchise Quarterback for years to come!

[slashsteel]

"And I am fine with that with him being a rookie."

I am fine with him being > Rudy.

A rookie QB leaves some plays on the field? No **** Sherlock.

 

[Ball Honey]

Unflappable! Learns from mistakes, seems to love the pressure, operates well under the night lights.

Has the intangibles, functions well in frigid weather, wears his hat backwards. I know it early, but to me he passes the eye test, I'll give him some years prove me wrong.

Off Season: Draft and coaching will make changes that will help the team improve.

Salute the Nation

If that's what you believe, why didn't we do that when we had a HOF QB and a more elite team?

Over the past decade, our drafting has been pretty sub-par and our coaching doesn't ever make the necessary adjustments or changes. When was the last time we had a good O-Line?

 

[slashsteel]

If that's what you believe, why didn't we do that when we had a HOF QB and a more elite team?

Over the past decade, our drafting has been pretty sub-par and our coaching doesn't ever make the necessary adjustments or changes. When was the last time we had a good O-Line?

I haven't followed the cheats Oline are they as ****** as your posts?

 

[Steeltime]

I’m not a Canada fan by any means. His offense is so vanilla and the details and nuances seem to fall through the cracks. That said we miss open guys too much. ... Example last night DJ is lined up on Hamilton. Immediately that should resonate winning matchup for us and he should take a mental note. Then presnap Hamilton shades over to blitz. That should have been a cue that DJ is going to be open immediately at the snap. DJ I believe reads the defense correctly because the other receivers on the side look to run a go and a post(not sure they exited the screen too quickly to be certain) and DJ runs an out.

Is that the play where Kenny hung in the pocket and got hammered while delivering a strike to DJ for a first down and Johnson dropped the ball like he was handed a live snake?

That one?

 

[SteelerFan448]

I do have a couple of concerns with the winning. First is that they'll bring Canada back. As already pointed out in this thread, even Canada at his best isn't very good. I do think a lot of the offensive deficiencies are by design so the missed plays are magnified because there is such little room for error. The second is they'll be content with the offensive line. I understand a big reason why they're playing well is because they've played as a unit together all season. I also know it takes time to develop, but it really feels like if they had one more good piece it could really elevate this group. A big reason they're so much better this year is the addition of Cole and Daniels.

 

[slashsteel]

I do have a couple of concerns with the winning. First is that they'll bring Canada back. As already pointed out in this thread, even Canada at his best isn't very good. I do think a lot of the offensive deficiencies are by design so the missed plays are magnified because there is such little room for error. The second is they'll be content with the offensive line. I understand a big reason why they're playing well is because they've played as a unit together all season. I also know it takes time to develop, but it really feels like if they had one more good piece it could really elevate this group. A big reason they're so much better this year is the addition of Cole and Daniels.

Did you see that scramble to Najee TD? Moore looked like he was struggling.

Where he has improved run blocking his pass protection still is a concern. I am concerned the team will think they can make due with the Oline and not try to upgrade it. I think LT,LG, and even C could be upgraded.

Retaining the OC and not trying to upgrade the trenches would be a big offseason fail IMO.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I've seen everything I need to see out of KP to know he can play in the NFL.

The only thing I want to see now, is can he throw more than one TD a game?

I want to see him become prolific and an issue to scheme against. Until he puts together a 3/4 TD game in the air, I'm not sure who he is as a franchise QB?

Yeah I'm pumping the brakes here on Franchise talk. Pair him with a offensive Coordinator who knows what the hell he is doing. He has intangibles, sounds like he is a worker. He is pretty damn accurate and can move. But he throws one deep ball a game and isn't allowed to fit anything inside the 20. There is a lot to be done here but at least a foundation. I mean look at Trevor Lawrence's 1st season.

 

[FordFairLane]

Is that the play where Kenny hung in the pocket and got hammered while delivering a strike to DJ for a first down and Johnson dropped the ball like he was handed a live snake?

That one?

Are you talking about the 1st-10 with like 6 minutes left in the 2nd? If I remember correctly it looked like Moore thought he had a chip coming from Warren or just gave one punch and gave up. Can’t really pin a blame on that because it wasn’t a blitz so it’s either Warren or Moore. But KP might have got pushed at the end. Not “hammered.” But it was a good throw that DJ did a nice job coming back for but needs to not double catch it.
Anyways I already called out DJ for that and that deep ball he didn’t get both feet in later on. I’m talking about areas Pickett needs to improve on.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Did you see that scramble to Najee TD? Moore looked like he was struggling.

Where he has improved run blocking his pass protection still is a concern. I am concerned the team will think they can make due with the Oline and not try to upgrade it. I think LT,LG, and even C could be upgraded.

Retaining the OC and not trying to upgrade the trenches would be a big offseason fail IMO.

Moore has moments, but when he struggles he really struggles. When it comes to Moore and Dotson, I do wonder if you upgrade one of the positions if either would show improvement.

 

[slashsteel]

Are you talking about the 1st-10 with like 6 minutes left in the 2nd? If I remember correctly it looked like Moore thought he had a chip coming from Warren or just gave one punch and gave up. Can’t really pin a blame on that because it wasn’t a blitz so it’s either Warren or Moore. But KP might have got pushed at the end. Not “hammered.” But it was a good throw that DJ did a nice job coming back for but needs to not double catch it.
Anyways I already called out DJ for that and that deep ball he didn’t get both feet in later on. I’m talking about areas Pickett needs to improve on.

Of course you are.

In other news Kenny>Rudolph.

That is something that won't change.

 

[CoolieMan]

Of course you are.

In other news Kenny>Rudolph.

That is something that won't change.

**** rudy

 

[Punxsutawney]

Did you see that scramble to Najee TD? Moore looked like he was struggling.

Where he has improved run blocking his pass protection still is a concern. I am concerned the team will think they can make due with the Oline and not try to upgrade it. I think LT,LG, and even C could be upgraded.

Retaining the OC and not trying to upgrade the trenches would be a big offseason fail IMO.

Dotson and Moore have been really good in the running game, though. Cole is upgradeable but is Mike Webster compared to Kendrick Green

To me, Dotson is starting to look like the player we were kind of expecting him to be after his rookie season. I'm not really sure what happened to him last season, but playing in between two struggling rookies while only being a second year player himself did not help.

Daniels is showing to be worth the money as well, especially considering he still has some upside given his age.

I understand the desire to improve the pass blocking, but unless they can get an absolute top-level talent in free agency, trade or first round, I'm not sure I want to disrupt what they might be building with Najee and the running game. That chemistry and continuity between them cannot be dismissed so easily.

The best protection for Pickett early in his career is a consistent running game that allows him to not have to drop back to pass 40+ times every game.

I still kind of expect them to use one of their top 3 picks on the OL. I'd like to see the other two address DL or CB.

 

[slashsteel]

Dotson and Moore have been really good in the running game, though. Cole is upgradeable but is Mike Webster compared to Kendrick Green

To me, Dotson is starting to look like the player we were kind of expecting him to be after his rookie season. I'm not really sure what happened to him last season, but playing in between two struggling rookies while only being a second year player himself did not help.

Daniels is showing to be worth the money as well, especially considering he still has some upside given his age.

I understand the desire to improve the pass blocking, but unless they can get an absolute top-level talent in free agency, trade or first round, I'm not sure I want to disrupt what they might be building with Najee and the running game. That chemistry and continuity between them cannot be dismissed so easily.

The best protection for Pickett early in his career is a consistent running game that allows him to not have to drop back to pass 40+ times every game.

I still kind of expect them to use one of their top 3 picks on the OL. I'd like to see the other two address DL or CB.

Also I think we need a better slot WR. Simms shows you the value of an upgrade with that catch. Still think the team is minus a WR.


Ultimately I am ok with BPA of need. And the team has a lot of needs so....

 

[ianv2012]

Also I think we need a better slot WR. Simms shows you the value of an upgrade with that catch. Still think the team is minus a WR.


Ultimately I am ok with BPA of need. And the team has a lot of needs so....

I'm hoping to see CAIII in that role next season

 

[slashsteel]

I'm hoping to see CAIII in that role next season

Me too but now there is an injury concern there. So can't count too much stock in a possibility.

 

[madinsomniac]

I've seen everything I need to see out of KP to know he can play in the NFL.

The only thing I want to see now, is can he throw more than one TD a game?

I want to see him become prolific and an issue to scheme against. Until he puts together a 3/4 TD game in the air, I'm not sure who he is as a franchise QB?

They started out giving him too much in the passing game with no run support and now he is overly protected… but yesterday his receivers and the refs did him no favors.. Dj had a bad drop and a huge catch that he failed to get his second foot in… Pickens stepped out of bounds before another huge catch, and he should have had a td on that first drive… i think the replay showed the db slapping his hands a bit before the ball was there.. and Najeh should have had a first down or damn near close to one the play before that pass.. the lb covering him had his hand in his chest and looked to be pulling him back way before the ball was there… sims looked to have been on a different page during another throw into the end zone… all of those probably should have been huge first downs or tds… and while that stuff matters less when a team is passing 50 times a game, when you throw 25 or less having five or six good throws where the receiver doesn’t make the play for various reasons it really affects your statistical picture…

 

[Stryker]

With the current OC that would be difficult.

Also with the running game working on all cylinders there aren't as many drives. By the way I love the ground and pound offense

I disagree Litos,

KP is taking shots to the EZ, he's just missing his targets. Had chances to Simms, DJ, and GP and missed all of them on other drives. If he hits those chances we blow the Ravens out. That's the QB I'm waiting to see.

 

[bermudasteel]

Unflappable! Learns from mistakes, seems to love the pressure, operates well under the night lights.

Has the intangibles, functions well in frigid weather, wears his hat backwards. I know it early, but to me he passes the eye test, I'll give him some years prove me wrong.

Off Season: Draft and coaching will make changes that will help the team improve.

Salute the Nation

WTF does "wearing his hat backwards" have to do with his performance???

 

[Stryker]

Dotson and Moore have been really good in the running game, though. Cole is upgradeable but is Mike Webster compared to Kendrick Green

To me, Dotson is starting to look like the player we were kind of expecting him to be after his rookie season. I'm not really sure what happened to him last season, but playing in between two struggling rookies while only being a second year player himself did not help.

Daniels is showing to be worth the money as well, especially considering he still has some upside given his age.

I understand the desire to improve the pass blocking, but unless they can get an absolute top-level talent in free agency, trade or first round, I'm not sure I want to disrupt what they might be building with Najee and the running game. That chemistry and continuity between them cannot be dismissed so easily.

The best protection for Pickett early in his career is a consistent running game that allows him to not have to drop back to pass 40+ times every game.

I still kind of expect them to use one of their top 3 picks on the OL. I'd like to see the other two address DL or CB.

Great Points Punx!

If we want to improve our pass blocking with our line, we need to run more play action. We ran 1 yesterday. We were pounding the Ravens on the ground and PA wasn't even an option. That bugs me a bit and needs to be utilized when our running game is dominating.

 

[slashsteel]

I disagree Litos,

KP is taking shots to the EZ, he's just missing his targets. Had chances to Simms, DJ, and GP and missed all of them on other drives. If he hits those chances we blow the Ravens out. That's the QB I'm waiting to see.

Sure he needs some red zone work. He isn't a finished product by no means. Perhaps a better OC could push him in the right direction. It is obvious Canada overall isn't the man to accomplish that feat.

 

[slashsteel]

WTF does "wearing his hat backwards" have to do with his performance???

He looked cool doing it. Where cooch tries to pass off using tin foil. Just not the same...

 

[Steeltime]

Are you talking about the 1st-10 with like 6 minutes left in the 2nd? If I remember correctly it looked like Moore thought he had a chip coming from Warren or just gave one punch and gave up. Can’t really pin a blame on that because it wasn’t a blitz so it’s either Warren or Moore.

Uhh, no, I am talking about the play in the 4th quarter on 3rd and 3 with Hamilton coming in untouched from the right side and hammering Kenny, who stood in the pocket and delivered a strike to Johnson for a 1st down, but Johnson looked like he was shocked the ball arrived and dropped it. After the play, Kenny remained on the ground for a bit and was obviously dealing with pain.

That play. Did you miss it?

 

[Steeltime]

WTF does "wearing his hat backwards" have to do with his performance???

Jesus, Berm, we're not here to explain NFL basics to you.

 

[madinsomniac]

Once more about the line… do you remember two years ago when thecteam said tgey wanted to get more aggressive in run blocking so they went out and drafted some guys who were supposedly to be a little more aggressive and nasty drive blocking guys.. then proceeded to illogically run a ton of passive RPO type plays, which doesn’t let olinemen play hard off tge snap? Then this year tgey brought in an oline coach whose style was all about initiating contact… then still ran out of passive blocking schemes? Well they scrapped that during the bye and are just turning these guys loose on the runs…

That change did several things… first of all they get a push now, so holes are opening more thoroughly… secondly the opposition can’t just treat every play like a pass with no worries about giving up gaps over pursuing… it also means that when they do run RPOs teams actually think it might be a pass and it has higher success rates…

The only perplexing thing is the lack of play action now that teams are actually fearful of getting blocked back and just ignoring the run more or less

 

[FordFairLane]

Uhh, no, I am talking about the play in the 4th quarter on 3rd and 3 with Hamilton coming in untouched from the right side and hammering Kenny, who stood in the pocket and delivered a strike to Johnson for a 1st down, but Johnson looked like he was shocked the ball arrived and dropped it. After the play, Kenny remained on the ground for a bit and was obviously dealing with pain.

That play. Did you miss it?

I think I know the play that you are talking about. I think. I thought it was in the 3rd quarter and it was on 3rd down. For some reason KP flanked out Warren to go trips and an empty backfield. Hamilton showed blitz and came without any protection adjustments and I thought, but could be wrong, that Hamilton hit KP on the release sending the pass off target. I think DJ did get his hands on it so I can see where you would say he should make that catch. For 18 million he should. But you could argue keeping Warren in to pick up Hamilton would have allowed enough time for KP to throw it on target. Which is my whole point. Setting up the protection and making sure everyone is lined up correctly is the QB’s responsibility. And it’s a bigger adjustment than most really understand from college to the pros. Ben benefited from having Hartings then Pouncey to help point out blitzes which unfortunately KP doesn’t have. But it’s an area he will need to develop because those are drive sustaining factors.