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[Badcat]

1. But the Steelers still were not conservative (or at least this conservative) even after Haley left.
2. You are simply speculating that Tomlin is the one dictating the offensive philosophy (i.e. Red Herring). At the end of the day, we simply have not had productive QB play ever since Ben's elbow surgery 5yrs ago.

But lets say MT is responsible for dictating the offensive game plan, lets play a game:

You have two starting QB's and here are there numbers from the year before:

• QB1 : 7 TDs, 9 Ints
• QB2: 4TDs, 5 Ints

What are you doing in this scenario? Are you really comfortable having these guys toss the rock all over the field?

It seems like a conservative game plan is your only option with this sort of QB play.

1. I never said the Steelers were conservative, I said their offensive philosophy (10 plays, short throws, leave the middle of the field vacant of routes) was bullshit.
2. Sure, it's speculation. But the Egomaniac Mike Tomlin meddled with the Great Dick LeBeau's calls and philosophies...but he's hands off on the Offense?

So, in your game scenario you're okay with the bullshit philosophy mentioned above...which didn't work at all mind you...and resulted in chants for the firing of the OC at NHL games? Really? What Happened when Eddie let QB1, in your scenario, "toss the rock"? 278 yards in the air, 400+ total yards.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

1. I never said the Steelers were conservative, I said their offensive philosophy (10 plays, short throws, leave the middle of the field vacant of routes) was bullshit.
2. Sure, it's speculation. But the Egomaniac Mike Tomlin meddled with the Great Dick LeBeau's calls and philosophies...but he's hands off on the Offense?

So, in your game scenario you're okay with the bullshit philosophy mentioned above...which didn't work at all mind you...and resulted in chants for the firing of the OC at NHL games? Really? What Happened when Eddie let QB1, in your scenario, "toss the rock"? 278 yards in the air, 400+ total yards.

What happened is that we only scored 16 points, against one of the worst defenses in the league who was averaging 22 points against and 250 pass yards against.

Compare that to when we had a halfway-competent QB (Rudolph) against the Bengals, and he somehow doubles our scoring.

So- tell me what was the difference between those two games? Was this the result of philosophy, or of talent?

I think you know the answer.

 

[MT~Forged]

1. But the Steelers still were not conservative (or at least this conservative) even after Haley left.
2. You are simply speculating that Tomlin is the one dictating the offensive philosophy (i.e. Red Herring). At the end of the day, we simply have not had productive QB play ever since Ben's elbow surgery 5yrs ago.

But lets say MT is responsible for dictating the offensive game plan, lets play a game:

You have two starting QB's and here are there numbers from the year before:

• QB1 : 7 TDs, 9 Ints
• QB2: 4TDs, 5 Ints

What are you doing in this scenario? Are you really comfortable having these guys toss the rock all over the field?

It seems like a conservative game plan is your only option with this sort of QB play.

It can also be argued that the conservative game plan PRODUCED those statistical numbers. Sure, Ben had better numbers, but he was a MUCH better QB. I would truly like to know how many times Ben called the given play, yet didn’t really follow the play call, and just improvised. He could get away with it, where Mason, Duck, Mitch and Kenny can not.

 

[MT~Forged]

What happened is that we only scored 16 points, against one of the worst defenses in the league who was averaging 22 points against and 250 pass yards against.

Compare that to when we had a halfway-competent QB (Rudolph) against the Bengals, and he somehow doubles our scoring.

So- tell me what was the difference between those two games? Was this the result of philosophy, or of talent?

I think you know the answer.

You will never convince me that the first game after Canada’s exit, KP was given the 100% green light, and that was all he is ever going to be able to produce. Better likelihood is that KP was given better plays with real options, AND that he was working through the changes while STILL worrying about turning the ball over. Just maybe the change takes time for him to put up the numbers you expect. With the injury, that results in a temporary setback. I also believe that Shades decided to rest KP for Rudy’s 3rd game as Rudy had the hot hand. I also believe that starting Rudy in the playoffs was also the right choice.

Can you imagine the absolute shitstorm that would have ensued if KP had started and then the game turned out EXACTLY as it did?

 

[Badcat]

What happened is that we only scored 16 points, against one of the worst defenses in the league who was averaging 22 points against and 250 pass yards against.

Compare that to when we had a halfway-competent QB (Rudolph) against the Bengals, and he somehow doubles our scoring.

So- tell me what was the difference between those two games? Was this the result of philosophy, or of talent?

I think you know the answer.

So...you minimize the passing yards with point totals to deflect away from my point that the philosophy changed. Nice try.

The difference between those two Bengal's games was talent, Rudolph is a more experienced veteran, no question. But it doesn't diminish my point that QB1 in your earlier scenario played MUCH better once the philosophy changed and the playbook opened up.

 

[ReeRee155]

LMAO look what happen not only did they get Russell they also got Fields and someone said that Fields was not interested or we wont go after Wilson LMAO
#TerribleTowelSince72

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I have you know Joe schmoe and the did you know reportitid it, it must be true.

We are getting every QB reported coming to the Burgh and yinz all are going to like it!

 

[Greg Lloyd]

1. But the Steelers still were not conservative (or at least this conservative) even after Haley left.
2. You are simply speculating that Tomlin is the one dictating the offensive philosophy (i.e. Red Herring). At the end of the day, we simply have not had productive QB play ever since Ben's elbow surgery 5yrs ago.

But lets say MT is responsible for dictating the offensive game plan, lets play a game:

You have two starting QB's and here are there numbers from the year before:

• QB1 : 7 TDs, 9 Ints
• QB2: 4TDs, 5 Ints

What are you doing in this scenario? Are you really comfortable having these guys toss the rock all over the field?

It seems like a conservative game plan is your only option with this sort of QB play.

Shades' paranoia had been ruining the offense for a decade; most of Ben's comebacks had to happen because of Tomlin's pee-your-pants control on the O to begin with. Tomlin lives in his fears.

 

[SteveA]

I think they are. KHAN didn’t blink & undid Coberts disastrous final draft of Happy Feet.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I think they are. KHAN didn’t blink & undid Coberts disastrous final draft of Happy Feet.

I could never understand why Colbert was kept on for that last draft???? Kahn was hired aND READY.



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[insaniti]

What happened is that we only scored 16 points, against one of the worst defenses in the league who was averaging 22 points against and 250 pass yards against.

Compare that to when we had a halfway-competent QB (Rudolph) against the Bengals, and he somehow doubles our scoring.

So- tell me what was the difference between those two games? Was this the result of philosophy, or of talent?

I think you know the answer.

One of the differences was a dropped TD pass from DJ, followed immediately by him watching a Warren fumble get picked up by the Bengals. So the 16 points wasn't all on Kenny.

There was also the 3 INT's thrown by the Bengals in the second game, one of which set the steelers up at the Bengals 14 yard line. But hey, it was all Rudolph in the second game right?!

I'm not saying Kenny wasn't without his flaws, and him canceling the workout with the WR put a sour taste in my mouth for sure. But he showed improvement as soon as Canada was gone, and we really don't know what could have been...

I do know Tomlin has no clue how to handle the QB position. We saw signs of it when Ben missed the year with his elbow, and even more once he retired. And he does like to make promises about playing time, only to reverse course. Do I think Kenny handled things well with Wilson? No prob not, do I think Tomlin told Kenny that Wilson was the starter after saying there would be an open competition? Absolutely. And I gather that from him telling Fields that Wilson was the starter once we traded for him.

 

[Drink IRON City]

One of the differences was a dropped TD pass from DJ, followed immediately by him watching a Warren fumble get picked up by the Bengals. So the 16 points wasn't all on Kenny.

There was also the 3 INT's thrown by the Bengals in the second game, one of which set the steelers up at the Bengals 14 yard line. But hey, it was all Rudolph in the second game right?!

I'm not saying Kenny wasn't without his flaws, and him canceling the workout with the WR put a sour taste in my mouth for sure. But he showed improvement as soon as Canada was gone, and we really don't know what could have been...

I do know Tomlin has no clue how to handle the QB position. We saw signs of it when Ben missed the year with his elbow, and even more once he retired. And he does like to make promises about playing time, only to reverse course. Do I think Kenny handled things well with Wilson? No prob not, do I think Tomlin told Kenny that Wilson was the starter after saying there would be an open competition? Absolutely. And I gather that from him telling Fields that Wilson was the starter once we traded for him.

You and I both know that the QB gets the credit for the win or the loss, regardless of how it plays out game-wise. We also know Mason stayed upright and on the field of play, even though many said his standing in the pocket would get him killed. We also know Pickett and his concussions / leg or ankle injury kept him off the field.

What could have been, goes for either QB but both are gone. Mason countered the coach-speak and left, while Kenny put is tail between his legs and fled. Time will tell a lot about current decisions.


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[stillwright]

1. I never said the Steelers were conservative, I said their offensive philosophy (10 plays, short throws, leave the middle of the field vacant of routes) was bullshit.
2. Sure, it's speculation. But the Egomaniac Mike Tomlin meddled with the Great Dick LeBeau's calls and philosophies...but he's hands off on the Offense?

So, in your game scenario you're okay with the bullshit philosophy mentioned above...which didn't work at all mind you...and resulted in chants for the firing of the OC at NHL games? Really? What Happened when Eddie let QB1, in your scenario, "toss the rock"? 278 yards in the air, 400+ total yards.

Ahhh.....the speculation angle. Speculation is frowned apon by some on this site....until they themselves are doing the speculation.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

I could never understand why Colbert was kept on for that last draft???? Kahn was hired aND READY.



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And the results were irrefutable trash. Way to go Colbert, last draft is looking more and more like trash every day. Pickens is about all who has a chance to contribute at this point. And that's iffy at this point. Kenny, already gone, nice pick there (although it was Art's to be honest). Pickens, we'll see. Leal, looking lie a complete waste of time. Austin? 2 years in and nothing. Connor meatball? Please. Robinson? No playing time. Olakdoken? Didn't even get a snap in preseason.

 

[Omar10213245]

Lol this thread was hilarious

 

[steelhurt]

Kenny has work to do, no doubt about it. My point was he ain’t going anywhere in 24.
He will get every opportunity to turn this around this next season so it’s up to him to work on his mechanics and take major steps forward and to grasp Arthur’s offense.
We should all be pulling for him to beg the best he can be and I for one am in his corner.
And no I’m not a Pitt alumni!

Joke on me! Never thought they would give up on him this early but is what it is.
I know Kenny had bad numbers but would have liked to see him in a new offense with a legit OC.
I suppose shades gets what he wants again. Always wanted Justin Fields so I hope the hell he works out and he plays lights out. We shall see.

 

[Litos]

Joke on me! Never thought they would give up on him this early but is what it is.
I know Kenny had bad numbers but would have liked to see him in a new offense with a legit OC.
I suppose shades gets what he wants again. Always wanted Justin Fields so I hope the hell he works out and he plays lights out. We shall see.

KP gave up on us. He got scared of the Wilson competition and took his ball and went home, **** him, he's dead to me.

 

[slashsteel]

KP gave up on us. He got scared of the Wilson competition and took his ball and went home, **** him, he's dead to me.

No doubt he wussed out. Going to the Eagles isn't a quick start possibly for him. So he really did himself no favors.

But yeah the ship is sailed for him and the other castaways in regards to the Steelers.

Still a part of me hoping they draft a Penix and they have a draft visit scheduled. Fans might not like the idea but the position is far from settled.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Very interesting the Steelers are bringing in Penix. Not exactly the direction I want to go, but he seems almost impossible to pass on in the second round. Until you get a QB, you have to keep trying.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

No doubt he wussed out. Going to the Eagles isn't a quick start possibly for him. So he really did himself no favors.

But yeah the ship is sailed for him and the other castaways in regards to the Steelers.

Still a part of me hoping they draft a Penix and they have a draft visit scheduled. Fans might not like the idea but the position is far from settled.

It's no where settled long-term, unless you assume Fields will take over QB1 position after 2024, which is a big assumption and not one that would be wise to assume. But I can just see Tomlin thinking he has "things figured out" and applying his "love for Fields" to some kind of twisted run, run, pass offenses with no passes being thrown to the middle of the field as his "genius" plan.

 

[steelhurt]

KP gave up on us. He got scared of the Wilson competition and took his ball and went home, **** him, he's dead to me.

Litos, not defending Kenny, I hate the way this ended up and he should have handled it better.
I think he felt betrayed by Tomlin having gotten the surgery so he could rush back and never getting his job back. Then shades brings in Wilson and promises him the job telling Kenny Wilson is the lead pole. That’s pretty ****** up! You want to bring in Wilson, fine, but the message should have been it’s Kenny’s job to lose. Make it a fair competition.

 

[Litos]

Litos, not defending Kenny, I hate the way this ended up and he should have handled it better.
I think he felt betrayed by Tomlin having gotten the surgery so he could rush back and never getting his job back. Then shades brings in Wilson and promises him the job telling Kenny Wilson is the lead pole. That’s pretty ****** up! You want to bring in Wilson, fine, but the message should have been it’s Kenny’s job to lose. Make it a fair competition.

Yeah I agree he was badly used, since his first appearance actually, that it felt like the team gave him the browns QB treatment.

 

[BLITZ]

I truly think since Wilson is free we should go after him cause Pickett is not the QB for this team

You must be happy

 

[Drink IRON City]

You must be happy

Maybe happy feet happy.!!!


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