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I'm with you on this one Chip. I get a statement from SS every now and then showing "MY contributions" over the years. Been paying since I was 14 and I'm now 62 and still paying. No problem with the govt returning MY money with reasonable interest mind you. And I'd be fine with that.
And I doubt, although I admit I don't know, that any of our left leaning friends on the board have done anything to serve the country.
And I will admit I did not serve voluntarily (drew a low number), I did get an all expenses paid trip to SE Asia as a young lad. So my GI benefits, such as they are, were EARNED 43.
I'm afraid I can't say the same with a lot of the entitlement crowd that I see in my clinic on a daily basis. A large percentage of them know how to play the system and are living a scam, because there is no incentive for them not to.
 

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I'm with you on this one Chip. I get a statement from SS every now and then showing "MY contributions" over the years. Been paying since I was 14 and I'm now 62 and still paying. No problem with the govt returning MY money with reasonable interest mind you. And I'd be fine with that.
And I doubt, although I admit I don't know, that any of our left leaning friends on the board have done anything to serve the country.
And I will admit I did not serve voluntarily (drew a low number), I did get an all expenses paid trip to SE Asia as a young lad. So my GI benefits, such as they are, were EARNED 43.
I'm afraid I can't say the same with a lot of the entitlement crowd that I see in my clinic on a daily basis. A large percentage of them know how to play the system and are living a scam, because there is no incentive for them not to.

Yeah you have to be a right wing Jesus loving flag wrapped America lover to serve and be brave and heroic......like Pat Tillman.

Oh and what makes you think you "earned" your benefits? Shouldn't you have served just for love of country and pay for your time?

Like I said not one right winger has EVER refused the socialism they claim to hate so much.
 

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Yeah you have to be a right wing Jesus loving flag wrapped America lover to serve and be brave and heroic......like Pat Tillman.

Oh and what makes you think you "earned" your benefits? Shouldn't you have served just for love of country and pay for your time?

Like I said not one right winger has EVER refused the socialism they claim to hate so much.

You sir, make 21Steelers21 look like the ******* Mensa President. Good job!
 

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I'm with you on this one Chip. I get a statement from SS every now and then showing "MY contributions" over the years. Been paying since I was 14 and I'm now 62 and still paying. No problem with the govt returning MY money with reasonable interest mind you. And I'd be fine with that.
And I doubt, although I admit I don't know, that any of our left leaning friends on the board have done anything to serve the country.
And I will admit I did not serve voluntarily (drew a low number), I did get an all expenses paid trip to SE Asia as a young lad. So my GI benefits, such as they are, were EARNED 43.
I'm afraid I can't say the same with a lot of the entitlement crowd that I see in my clinic on a daily basis. A large percentage of them know how to play the system and are living a scam, because there is no incentive for them not to.

Here's what you get when a conservative is asked by veterans for some socialism...call out the Army of course, **** em bring out the tanks. That's the right wing you guys love so much.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1513.html

Congress had overridden Herbert Hoover’s veto of a veterans’ compensation act early in 1932, which provided some relief for ex-servicemen, but also fueled sentiment for having payments made in cash. Such requests were swiftly rejected by Republican leaders who believed that such irresponsible action would only deepen the nation’s woes.

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You sir, make 21Steelers21 look like the ******* Mensa President. Good job!

Thanks, MENSA is overrated though. Spatial reasoning is underrated by them and that's where it's at.
 

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Thanks, MENSA is overrated though. Spatial reasoning is underrated by them and that's where it's at.
Reality is where it's at. Try to constrain your comments to the known universe. Half baked psycho babble theories run contrary to reality.
 

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Back to the title of this thread, Hey Holder- I just found a homegrown terrorist! Go grab your buddy FBP then run into the bathroom, flip on the light and look in the mirror. There are two of them right there!
 

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Yeah you have to be a right wing Jesus loving flag wrapped America lover to serve and be brave and heroic......like Pat Tillman.

Oh and what makes you think you "earned" your benefits? Shouldn't you have served just for love of country and pay for your time?

Like I said not one right winger has EVER refused the socialism they claim to hate so much.


Wow, so much hate. I was only pointing out that SS and GI benefits are not entitlements in my opinion. If you feel SS is then Washington can just send me a check for the amount they have taken out of my paychecks over the last 50 years and I'd be OK with that.
And the problem with folks scamming the system is that there are those that truly do need help and aren't able to because they follow the rules.
And I guess I am a flag waiver. Got one hanging off the porch right now and proud of it. And lastly, don't begin to tell me I didn't earn my VET benefits.....you have no clue.
 

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Wow, so much hate. I was only pointing out that SS and GI benefits are not entitlements in my opinion. If you feel SS is then Washington can just send me a check for the amount they have taken out of my paychecks over the last 50 years and I'd be OK with that.
And the problem with folks scamming the system is that there are those that truly do need help and aren't able to because they follow the rules.
And I guess I am a flag waiver. Got one hanging off the porch right now and proud of it. And lastly, don't begin to tell me I didn't earn my VET benefits.....you have no clue.

He is clueless, in a Jane Fonda kind of way. Maybe he is a she.
 

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It's sort of like the people who rail constantly about government 'socialism', meanwhile do they ever do the right thing and refuse unemployment, S.S. benefits, G.I. bill benefits after their service, farm subsidies(especially in the south), and on and on. Of course they don't, ever.

I think you're quite misinformed. Unemployment benefits, should you qualify, are paid 100% by your former employer, for the first six months. When you are hired in, it is law that your employer appropriate funds to the state in which you were employed, to cover your unemployment in the event that terminate your employment without cause. This is a law put into place to help protect against wrongful termination and preventing the employer from witholding the funds after it's determined you qualify for the unemployment payments. You're also obligated to document your pursuit of employment and produce that list upon demand from the state. After this initial six month period and benefits run out, then you can apply for the federal unemployment benefits and become a drain on taxpayers. And I'm sorry, even as bad as the economy and job market is, you can get a job flipping burgers, delivering pizzas, answering phones, waiter/waitressing, selling vacuums, etc.

Social Security, as stated already, is something all working people pay into. It's not me taking your personal money. Most of those right winged God fearing people you're wagging your finger at right now would rather not pay social security taxes in order to receive the benefits later, and would much rather take personal responsibility for themselves to save their own money as they see fit and support themselves in the retirement years. It's not as though it's an option whether you want to pay into Social Security or not. It's jacked from your paycheck before you can see it.

Lastly, the GI Bill. Serviceman also pay into this from the mediocre paychecks.....which is our tax dollars, but that they are actually working for. A military is an expense everyone needs to kick in for, just like infrastructure, fire departments, police, schools, etc. And the reimbursement is limited both by dollar amount and months, depending on time served and if you served in war or peace time, and if you saw live action. It's not as though they are members of our government, no matter which letter comes after their name, that drain us from the time they take office until the time they die. Lifetime benefits and pay even if they go on to other forms of employment where they earn astronomical sums of cash, and still take our money to their grave.

I love debate and opposing opinions and ideals, and I don't subscribe to any particular political party. I'm an American citizen, plain and simple. But if you're going to wax philosophical and contribute to the debate, please try and be informed and reference things that are actually true and based in facts, rather than just hurling nonsensical and inaccurate statements because you don't like the argument you're hearing. It'll make for a better open discussion on how we can fix the corrupt system that is ruled by ALL the people in government.
 

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I think you're quite misinformed. Unemployment benefits, should you qualify, are paid 100% by your former employer, for the first six months. When you are hired in, it is law that your employer appropriate funds to the state in which you were employed, to cover your unemployment in the event that terminate your employment without cause. This is a law put into place to help protect against wrongful termination and preventing the employer from witholding the funds after it's determined you qualify for the unemployment payments. You're also obligated to document your pursuit of employment and produce that list upon demand from the state. After this initial six month period and benefits run out, then you can apply for the federal unemployment benefits and become a drain on taxpayers. And I'm sorry, even as bad as the economy and job market is, you can get a job flipping burgers, delivering pizzas, answering phones, waiter/waitressing, selling vacuums, etc.

I own a small business and do the paperwork. State and Federal unemployment insurance is just that, insurance. Each quarter I send in a payment based on a percentage of my quarterly payroll. I just got home and don't have the numbers in front of me, but as I recall it is about 3% of my gross payroll. The employee withholding portion is very small, like 02%. This goes into a pot of money at the state from which they pay unemployment benefits. We do not pay the benefits directly although each employer has an account number and the more claims you have, the more your rate goes up. This is why we try to fight bogus claims. That being said, when the economy tanks like it has under Obamunism and the state has to pay benefits to a larger number of people for a longer time then that pot of money in Harrisburg gets drawn down and the state raises the rate for EVERY employer. And the employees too, for a number of years that employee withholding portion wasn't there. My rate is about 35% higher than it was under Boosh. Further, PA is one of about 14 states (I think) that had to borrow money from the Feds to cover unemployment compensation payments and we (meaning the employers) have to kick in an added "penalty rate" to pay back the Feds. I am friends with the local Republican state reps and state senator and have 'splained to them how the system works and that while I am not opposed to laid-off people getting unemployment compensation, taking more money out of my pocket when I'm already struggling is counter-productive. They are all relatively newly elected and had no clue. (My county is 3-to-1 Democrat and booted out all the state-level Dems but one in recent years.) There is a quarterly Federal unemployment payment also but it is fairly small, 0.08% of gross payroll for almost everyone.
 
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Here are six conundrums of socialism in the United States of America :

1. America is capitalistic and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.

2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.

3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.

4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.

5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.

6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

And that, my friends, pretty much sums up the USA in the Age of Morons, Mooches, Marxists and Muslims.
 

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Holder should be in prison. He's pond scum.
 

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Here are six conundrums of socialism in the United States of America :

1. America is capitalistic and greedy - yet half of the population is subsidized.

2. Half of the population is subsidized - yet they think they are victims.

3. They think they are victims - yet their representatives run the government.

4. Their representatives run the government - yet the poor keep getting poorer.

5. The poor keep getting poorer - yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.

6. They have things that people in other countries only dream about - yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

And that, my friends, pretty much sums up the USA in the Age of Morons, Mooches, Marxists and Muslims.


We're heading for a nice throwdown part 2 in the not too distance future. It's inevitable at this point in time.
 

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Wow that's a lot of hate !!

"as insane and paranoid as you tea party types"

This statement alone tells us a lot about your makeup and delusional ideals. Either you were trained in the field of Marxist beliefs or just listened to the govt 'educators' very well during your yout....... either way I hope that during this next century, when America returns to the roots and the beliefs that our founding fathers did not want to replicate the same systems that they escaped from, that you do not get caught up in the wash.

You may hate the "tea party" but the ideals they espouse are the same ideals this country was founded on, not the Marxist principles being pushed by progressives. If you hate this Country so much, don't believe in the history based on the religious and capitalist principles, don't believe in American exceptionalism and don't believe in the right to speak out against tyranny...why are you still here ?

...and yeh, I'm gonna refuse the SS benefits that I paid for and the GI benefits that I earned....
( did you, by the way, did you serve your Country ? )
.....that's as dumb an argument as the "gun free zone".

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No I don't believe in "American exceptionalism" because I'm not brainwashed, I don't believe in our 'moral high ground' in speaking out against tyranny till we acknowledge our own. You see I've actually studied our history I haven't just accepted what was spoon fed to me in high school.

The tea party represents nothing of the ideals of the founders. They are the same old isolationist, xenophobic, racist element that has always been with us. What exactly is the Tea Parties position regarding foreign policy?......I thought so.
 

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Wow that's a lot of hate !!

"as insane and paranoid as you tea party types"

This statement alone tells us a lot about your makeup and delusional ideals. Either you were trained in the field of Marxist beliefs or just listened to the govt 'educators' very well during your yout....... either way I hope that during this next century, when America returns to the roots and the beliefs that our founding fathers did not want to replicate the same systems that they escaped from, that you do not get caught up in the wash.

You may hate the "tea party" but the ideals they espouse are the same ideals this country was founded on, not the Marxist principles being pushed by progressives. If you hate this Country so much, don't believe in the history based on the religious and capitalist principles, don't believe in American exceptionalism and don't believe in the right to speak out against tyranny...why are you still here ?

...and yeh, I'm gonna refuse the SS benefits that I paid for and the GI benefits that I earned....
( did you, by the way, did you serve your Country ? )
.....that's as dumb an argument as the "gun free zone".

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Since you like history so much I hope you're enjoying the Brian Williams propaganda piece on NBC right now concerning the "greatest generation" and American "goodness" You know since you like mythology so much. No disrespect to any service member that sacrificed in any war but we all know American involvement on D-day was initiated after the Russians had destroyed 70 to 80% of the Nazi military,we just wanted to make sure after they did all the heavy lifting they didn't get to keep Western Europe.

Of course we're taught how we 'won the war in Europe' right? Is that what they taught you in one of those 'education' camps you guys like to ascribe to liberals, comrade?

You do know that in our eternal 'goodness' we had been provoking the Germans for years in the Atlantic helping the Brits and engaging their supply ships hoping to get a response from them right? The attack on Pearl Harbor was a dream come true for the oligarchs.
 

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"After they did all the heavy lifting"? Screw you, you arrogant ungrateful piece of trash. Those men who fought in World War II WERE the greatest generation, because they didn't allow pansies like you and Obama to run things. You only have the right to spout your stupidity because of men like this. I usually don't sink to trying to personally insult somebody on the Internet, but YOU and those like you are what's wrong with this country. Entitled, ignorant dumbasses who have convinced themselves they are smarter and superior to everyone else. You don't deserve to be called an American.

And save the "No disrespect to any service members in any war" BS, because that is exactly what you are doing. Not only are you full of crap, but you are a blatant liar and a coward as well.

And last I checked, Germany, Italy, and Japan all SURRENDERED! How is it possibly NOT true that we "won the war in Europe"? That is the definition of WINNING a war, your enemies' surrender. And you're acting like D-Day was the first involvement of American forces in Europe. For somebody who claims to "study history", you don't know jack. But I don't think it's what you really believe, not even you can be that stupid. It's what you WANT to believe in your hatred for America.
 
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"After they did all the heavy lifting"? Screw you, you arrogant ungrateful piece of trash. Those men who fought in World War II WERE the greatest generation, because they didn't allow pansies like you and Obama to run things. You only have the right to spout your stupidity because of men like this. I usually don't sink to trying to personally insult somebody on the Internet, but YOU and those like you are what's wrong with this country. Entitled, ignorant dumbasses who have convinced themselves they are smarter and superior to everyone else. You don't deserve to be called an American.

And save the "No disrespect to any service members in any war" BS, because that is exactly what you are doing. Not only are you full of crap, but you are a blatant liar and a coward as well.

And last I checked, Germany, Italy, and Japan all SURRENDERED! How is it possibly NOT true that we "won the war in Europe"? That is the definition of WINNING a war, your enemies' surrender. Not even you can be that stupid.

After you're done insulting me then maybe you can show me what i wrote that was untrue. I meant what I said, no disrespect to any service man OF ANY NATION. We are no better than them. If you knew the things that were censored after the war you would know that.

If you don't know that the Soviet Union almost singlehandedly defeated the Nazis then at least I'm not as ignorant as you.
 

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Our soldiers are no better than the Nazis or the Taliban cutting off heads? F you! YOU may not be better than them, but our service members sure are, as are everybody else on this site. Seriously, get this piece of trash out of here!

I ALREADY DID point where you lied, when you claimed we didn't win the war in Europe. I will say it again, because you're obviously too stupid to understand it the first time. Germany, Japan, and Italy all SURRENDERED, so yeah, we won. NOBODY said it was only the Americans that defeated the Nazis, of course it was the coalition of the Allies that won. YOU are the one making the ridiculous claim it was only one country (Soviet Union). Explain to me how the Soviet Union defeated Japan, since you're such an expert at your fantasy version of history.
 

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Our soldiers are no better than the Nazis or the Taliban cutting off heads? F you! YOU may not be better than them, but our service members sure are, as are everybody else on this site. Seriously, get this piece of trash out of here!

I ALREADY DID point where you lied, when you claimed we didn't win the war in Europe. I will say it again, because you're obviously too stupid to understand it the first time. Germany, Japan, and Italy all SURRENDERED, so yeah, we won. NOBODY said it was only the Americans that defeated the Nazis, of course it was the coalition of the Allies that won. YOU are the one making the ridiculous claim it was only one country (Soviet Union). Explain to me how the Soviet Union defeated Japan, since you're such an expert at your fantasy version of history.

The Soviet Union defeated Japan after they dropped their A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing a conservative total of 225,000 civilian men, women, and children. I guess they weren't interested in perpetuating a self-described myth of 'exceptionalism' for their history books.

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.-----The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman July 1946

The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing. In [July] 1945… Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. …the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude….
- ---General Dwight D. Eisenhower Newsweek, 11/11/63

It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.
----Admiral William Leahy

MacArthur’s views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed …. When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.----Leahy speaking on Gen. MacArthur's view

I think that the Japanese were ready for peace, and they already had approached the Russians and, I think, the Swiss. And that suggestion of [giving] a warning [of the atomic bomb] was a face-saving proposition for them, and one that they could have readily accepted.

In my opinion, the Japanese war was really won before we ever used the atom bomb. Thus, it wouldn’t have been necessary for us to disclose our nuclear position and stimulate the Russians to develop the same thing much more rapidly than they would have if we had not dropped the bomb.
-----Under Secretary of the Navy Ralph Bird U.S. News and World Report, 8/15/60



Keep believing the dream bmoron. In the words of the great Bill Hicks " A clean nation, a good clean nation, a good, good nation...Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!"
 

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you said Russia virtually single handedly won the war. Then you quote Truman as saying that Japan would've surrendered even if Russia had not entered the war. Then WHO THE HELL WOULD THEY HAVE SURRENDERED TO?

The Soviet Union defeated Japan after they dropped their A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing a conservative total of 225,000 civilian men, women, and children. I guess they weren't interested in perpetuating a self-described myth of 'exceptionalism' for their history books.
What the hell are you talking about? Now the Soviet Union dropped the A-bomb? You seriously need to see a doctor, pronto!
 

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And thanks for calling me bmoron, because if someone of your intellect thinks I'm stupid, that's confirmation that I'm on the right path.
 

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Our soldiers are no better than the Nazis or the Taliban cutting off heads? F you! YOU may not be better than them, but our service members sure are, as are everybody else on this site. Seriously, get this piece of trash out of here!

I ALREADY DID point where you lied, when you claimed we didn't win the war in Europe. I will say it again, because you're obviously too stupid to understand it the first time. Germany, Japan, and Italy all SURRENDERED, so yeah, we won. NOBODY said it was only the Americans that defeated the Nazis, of course it was the coalition of the Allies that won. YOU are the one making the ridiculous claim it was only one country (Soviet Union). Explain to me how the Soviet Union defeated Japan, since you're such an expert at your fantasy version of history.

And the knockout punch

We Americans have the dangerous tendency in our international thinking to take a holier-than-thou attitude toward other nations. We consider ourselves to be more noble and decent than other peoples, and consequently in a better position to decide what is right and wrong in the world. What kind of war do civilians suppose we fought, anyway? We shot prisoners in cold blood, wiped out hospitals, strafed lifeboats, killed or mistreated enemy civilians, finished off the enemy wounded, tossed the dying into a hole with the dead, and in the Pacific boiled the flesh off enemy skulls to make table ornaments for sweethearts, or carved their bones into letter openers. We topped off our saturation bombing and burning of enemy civilians by dropping atomic bombs on two nearly defenseless cities, thereby setting an alltime record for instantaneous mass slaughter.

------------------ February 1946 One War is Enough
by Edgar L. Jones

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/battle/jones.htm
 

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you said Russia virtually single handedly won the war. Then you quote Truman as saying that Japan would've surrendered even if Russia had not entered the war. Then WHO THE HELL WOULD THEY HAVE SURRENDERED TO?


What the hell are you talking about? Now the Soviet Union dropped the A-bomb? You seriously need to see a doctor, pronto!

Yes you believe that I believe the Soviet Union dropped the A-bombs on Japan, and you believe America is good. Now re-think that whole thing about who needs to see a doctor.

Russia did do most of the fighting in Europe and therefore can claim to have defeated the Nazis for the most part. Our bombing of their Industries had negligible effect as was confirmed after the war.

June 6 1944 was the backup QB coming into a 44-10 lead with 3:00 minutes left in the 4th as far as the war in Europe.
 

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Yes you believe that I believe the Soviet Union dropped the A-bombs on Japan, and you believe America is good. Now re-think that whole thing about who needs to see a doctor.

Russia did do most of the fighting in Europe and therefore can claim to have defeated the Nazis for the most part. Our bombing of their Industries had negligible effect as was confirmed after the war.

June 6 1944 was the backup QB coming into a 44-10 lead with 3:00 minutes left in the 4th as far as the war in Europe.

 
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