How to fix this offense and team

[FordFairLane]

So...you're basing this prediction on what? Jake Browning has ZERO NFL starts, and a grand total of FIFTEEN attempts. Evidently, somehow, you've gone from needing to see 1500 attempts to just 15 to tell how good a quarterback is. As long as the guy with 15 is playing against Kenny Pickett, of course.

You're amusing, if nothing else.

I am basing it less on what I haven't seen from Browning and more of what I have seen from Kenny.

 

[topseed]

I am basing it less on what I haven't seen from Browning and more of what I have seen from Kenny.

Then you should probably retract your statement about needing 1500 attempts to properly assess a QB. Just a suggestion.

Nobody knows how good or bad Browning is going to play in his first NFL start. The guy has a 1% sample of your own criterion. Predicting that he will outperform Pickett just further reveals your unending negative bias towards KP. As if that was necessary.

 

[FordFairLane]

Then you should probably retract your statement about needing 1500 attempts to properly assess a QB. Just a suggestion.

Nobody knows how good or bad Browning is going to play in his first NFL start. The guy has a 1% sample of your own criterion. Predicting that he will outperform Pickett just further reveals your unending negative bias towards KP. As if that was necessary.

I think you should re-read that comment. I think I stated pretty clearly that it isn't a hard number and more snaps I see and the more I can feel comfortable with my conclusion.

I would say to make a fair assessment 1500 attempts. What I mean if I were to say there's no chance at this QB becoming successful in the NFL I want to see 1500 NFL passes. That is when I will set my opinion in stone. Doesn't mean I couldn't be wrong just that is where I would feel comfortable saying there's nothing here lets move on. Now it isn't a hard number. It's not like at 1499 I am still on the fence. The more snaps the more I see and the more I can feel comfortable with my conclusion. I have less of a body of work to deduce what type of QB Rudolph could be than I do with Pickett. So, if I compare the two, I don't feel as confident making a determination on Rudolph.

Kenny has more attempts than guys like Matt Leinart, EJ Manual, Brady Quinn, Cade McNown, Josh Rosen. So, there's a foundation to start to look at. I have also said many times Kenny's ceiling is a moving target. I have recently said Teddy Bridgewater is what I would guess is his max potential. Good backup and spot starter. Earlier in the year I said Ryan Fitzpatrick but that was after the Raiders game. Well, we would be lucky to get Fitz at this point. If I were to make a guess right now, I would say he is trending somewhere between Chad Henne and Kyle Orton as his ceiling.

 

[slashsteel]

You're amusing, if nothing else.

That would be one word for it.

 

[xjx]

Hmm. The most smothering poster on this board? I know some here like to smother their popcorn with butter. Others smother steak with grilled mushrooms and onions. I smothered my wild game meatball hoagies with cheese. You are all equally guilty of smothering !

 

[topseed]

I think you should re-read that comment. I think I stated pretty clearly that it isn't a hard number and more snaps I see and the more I can feel comfortable with my conclusion.

Kenny has more attempts than guys like Matt Leinart, EJ Manual, Brady Quinn, Cade McNown, Josh Rosen. So, there's a foundation to start to look at. I have also said many times Kenny's ceiling is a moving target. I have recently said Teddy Bridgewater is what I would guess is his max potential. Good backup and spot starter. Earlier in the year I said Ryan Fitzpatrick but that was after the Raiders game. Well, we would be lucky to get Fitz at this point. If I were to make a guess right now, I would say he is trending somewhere between Chad Henne and Kyle Orton as his ceiling.

So, you're comfortable enough after watching Browning's 15 attempts, then, to say that he'll play better than Pickett on Sunday. No matter what your opinion of KP is, that's simply ridiculous. But you're good at ridiculous.

 

[FordFairLane]

So, you're comfortable enough after watching Browning's 15 attempts, then, to say that he'll play better than Pickett on Sunday. No matter what your opinion of KP is, that's simply ridiculous. But you're good at ridiculous.

I am comfortable enough watching Picketts 670 that the unknown is better than what he has been producing. Same with DTR last week. I said he would have more yards than Pickett. It wasn't a statement of how good I think DTR is or will be but the fact that his unknown likely is better than what KP has been doing. I had some higher hopes after the raiders game. Things trended slightly down and then the last 4 games have spiraled down. I will hope everything was Matt Canada's fault and Kenny has a huge game Sunday. And I actually do have some hope as a fan. But logically I can't ignore that even with how godawful Canada's playbook was that there were still opportunities missed. So I will drink my beer and hope for the best on Sunday because that is all anyone can do at this point.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

After the first few pages it all turns into blah blah blah for me and scroll scroll scroll..haha.

We get to start all over again Sunday afternoon. Which hopefully will be on a much more positive note.

yeah but what you didnt see was D.I.C. Make a post asking who is the most smothering poster on the board. So i was settling in with popcorn for that... But then he erased it..

 

[BLITZ]

hate to bring this back to the topic. but to fix this offense, I think they need to look outside this organization.

 

[steel dino]

Then you should probably retract your statement about needing 1500 attempts to properly assess a QB. Just a suggestion.

Nobody knows how good or bad Browning is going to play in his first NFL start. The guy has a 1% sample of your own criterion. Predicting that he will outperform Pickett just further reveals your unending negative bias towards KP. As if that was necessary.

Isnt this the same guy that just out played Kenny last game?

 

[Drink IRON City]

hate to bring this back to the topic. but to fix this offense, I think they need to look outside this organization.

It would be very hard to at this stage of the season, but season end, I HOPE like hellA they do. I also hope like hellA that Omar & Wiedle are deeply involved, which I feel to be true.

I think Rooney is realizing a little about how this is looking for the franchise and has put in the word of change.

The Media & Fans may have been heard !!!


Salute the nation

 

[BLITZ]

It would be very hard to at this stage of the season, but season end, I HOPE like hellA they do. I also hope like hellA that Omar & Wiedle are deeply involved, which I feel to be true.

I think Rooney is realizing a little about how this is looking for the franchise and has put in the word of change.

The Media & Fans may have been heard !!!


Salute the nation

yeah I was meaning for next year. gotta get through this year however possible

 

[Drink IRON City]

yeah I was meaning for next year. gotta get through this year however possible

Sullivan doesn’t appear to be a very good QBs coach, I hope his past experience as a play caller is better. I hope he wasn’t one that bought into the O’Canada factor and actually rolled his eyes when no-one was looking.

I’ll bet Fulckner (a spelling and memory) puts his 2 cents in but my Buttered Fear isTomlin over-riding plays to a detriment.


Salute the nation

 

[Sarge]

As hopeful as I am, I doubt too much changes this season. I think the offense, running mostly the same plays and concepts with the same players will have mostly the same struggles.

While I believe a weight will be lifted not having Canada around, there is an added pressure (I think) to perform since the consensus pretty much is that all of the offensive problems are Matt Canada.

On top of that, you have the Tomlin factor. I think this offense is all him. Defense too. And that’s why I don’t think much will change. Tomlin is still here. Until that changes, the Steelers will continue to be mediocre also-rans. For a guy that is supposed to be a brilliant coach, getting to 9-8 or whatever level of mediocrity this team achieves every season doesn’t seem to support all the praise the guy receives.

Oh well, I’ll still tune in if there’s nothing better to do, cheering, laughing, bitching. It’s all part of being a fan.

 

[topseed]

I am comfortable enough watching Picketts 670 that the unknown is better than what he has been producing. Same with DTR last week. I said he would have more yards than Pickett. It wasn't a statement of how good I think DTR is or will be but the fact that his unknown likely is better than what KP has been doing. I had some higher hopes after the raiders game. Things trended slightly down and then the last 4 games have spiraled down. I will hope everything was Matt Canada's fault and Kenny has a huge game Sunday. And I actually do have some hope as a fan. But logically I can't ignore that even with how godawful Canada's playbook was that there were still opportunities missed. So I will drink my beer and hope for the best on Sunday because that is all anyone can do at this point.

DTR played like shlt against the Steelers' #28 passing defense coming into the game -- he had a 54.9 passer rating. Kenny was playing against Cleveland's #1 pass defense, so it's not exactly a huge surprise that he didn't have a lot of yards. You really don't need to pat yourself on the back for such a bold prediction.

 

[topseed]

Isnt this the same guy that just out played Kenny last game?

Not sure what your question is, exactly.

No, Browning didn't outplay Kenny last game. They haven't played against each other just yet. And if you're talking about DTR, his passer rating of 54.9 was lower than Pickett's 62.5, so technically he didn't outplay him either. They both sucked.

 

[FordFairLane]

DTR played like shlt against the Steelers' #28 passing defense coming into the game -- he had a 54.9 passer rating. Kenny was playing against Cleveland's #1 pass defense, so it's not exactly a huge surprise that he didn't have a lot of yards. You really don't need to pat yourself on the back for such a bold prediction.

Well, not sure where the Steelers ranked last week but this week they rank 23rd in pass defense. The bengals rank 27th. Lets see who has a better game. An UDFA who will be without Tee Higgins. Or our first round pick.

I honestly hope to see 300 yards and 3 touchdowns. I really do. But looking at the average NFL start in 2022. That’s full game starts so excluding partial games. The average QB last year averaged 231 yards. 1.4 touchdowns, and .7 interceptions. Kenny for his career averages 172, .59 touchdowns and .59 interceptions.

Here’s something interesting to watch as well. Idk if you watched this guy’s analysis on KP vs Cleveland but I suggest doing that then watching this. Same issues from Pitt 2 years ago. Missing open guys in the middle of the field. Bringing his eyes down looking at rush. Just not the type of growth you’d want and those issues are amplified in the NFL.

 

[slashsteel]

Another day another Kenny convo.

That agenda is staying strong.

Tune in tomorrow for more Kenny coverage already covered in 233 other posts.

 

[Steelmann]

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Here's my bold prediction for the week. Dorian Thompson-Robinson throws for 150 with 1/1 but adds another 80 on the ground and another touchdown.

There was your prediction in full. I,at that time disagreed with the 80 yards on the ground.Remember? You told me I was “cherry picking “ and then you wanted to make it a Kenny Pickett thing instantly. As per usual.


Here you are patting yourself on the back up above.
“I said he would have more yards than Pickett”.

Well you also said he would “ add 80 yards on the ground “. Have one TD passing and one TD rushing. None of which happened. So tell me Fordy Baby. Who is “cherrypicking” now?
Can you spell “hypocrite “

 

[TDX27]

KP throws 3 TD's this weekend.

 

[jitter77]

I think Mason can be worse by throwing ints. In my opinion Rudy's worst throw is the out which we throw alot. Mason seems to float those throws which is a green light for the DBs. Look at what happened when mitch came in. Led a TD drive, got the momentum going, then started throwing picks. We can not overcome turnovers.

 

[Steelmann]

hate to bring this back to the topic. but to fix this offense, I think they need to look outside this organization.

100% Blitz. I am also all for a successful up and comer proven college coach as well. Somebody new and innovative. Let’s take a chance. That OC I profiled from Washington Huskies on the other thread had quite the resume.
I didn’t realize how much money even the assistant coaches make in College.

But only if of course CMT lets the guy do his job.

 

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Here's my bold prediction for the week. Dorian Thompson-Robinson throws for 150 with 1/1 but adds another 80 on the ground and another touchdown.

There was your prediction in full. I,at that time disagreed with the 80 yards on the ground.Remember? You told me I was “cherry picking “ and then you wanted to make it a Kenny Pickett thing instantly. As per usual.


Here you are patting yourself on the back up above.
“I said he would have more yards than Pickett”.

Well you also said he would “ add 80 yards on the ground “. Have one TD passing and one TD rushing. None of which happened. So tell me Fordy Baby. Who is “cherrypicking” now?
Can you spell “hypocrite “

You are a moron. Just a complete idiot. I like how you fail to mention DTR EXCEEDED my passing yard prediction. Derp derp derp. And fail to mention your ***** *** wouldn’t bet that he would have more total yards, not cherry picking one number like a *****, than Kenny Pickett. Of course good job on that because DTR netted 183 to KP’s 86. Can you spell “LOSER”?

PS

Since you are too dense to comprehend what a bold prediction is why not go look at what they are supposed to be dip . A statement far from what people think we actually happen. Thus the word BOLD.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-week-11-bold-predictions-joshua-dobbs-leads-vikings-to-5th-win-in-row-as-underdog-browns-win-by-2-scores/

 

[FordFairLane]

I think Mason can be worse by throwing ints. In my opinion Rudy's worst throw is the out which we throw alot. Mason seems to float those throws which is a green light for the DBs. Look at what happened when mitch came in. Led a TD drive, got the momentum going, then started throwing picks. We can not overcome turnovers.

Masons biggest issue in 2019 was throwing late. We’re still getting that now. He threw more interceptions but he also pushed the ball down field more. I don’t think Mason would be a Ben Roethlisberger. But if he could give us average or slightly below average QB play I think we’d have a shot still at the AFC North. It doesn’t matter now. He’s not going to start and I feel if we don’t win this week we are out of the playoffs and probably only playing for MT to continue his non-losing season streak.

 

[Sarge]

At some point you’d think that arguing over which QB’s are better than Pickett would be old. I mean, what’s the point? He’s the Steelers starter, he is what he is. It’s not changing anytime soon so I can’t see the point in rehashing everything he’s done this year.

Fans know he needs to play better, he acknowledges he needs to play better, and I would think the next seven games are his final audition going forward. Let it play out and see what happens instead of arguing things you have no control over.