Pick up a QB in the off season that can hit wide open WRs and TEs. Tyrod Taylor, Sam Darnold, or Kirk Cousins. We have talent everywhere on this offense except where it matters most, at QB.
How to fix this offense and team
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I don’t know. We have the smallest coaching staff in the NFL. And that part drives me nuts. There’s no salary cap on coaches. I would have the largest payroll for coaches if I owned a team. Coach the team up and down. I mean when you are making the kind of cash the Rooney’s are what is the big deal paying a dozen assistant coaches 60k a year to help your team/product grow. Just my opinion though. And I don’t think Dan was cheap. Just Art II.
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Why do you need a huge staff of coaches when only one makes the decisions?
I was thinking for player development. Seems we can't have enough coaches for player development with the lack there of.
But yep the amount might be ok with the right HC.
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Right lol
I just think of all the extra preparation and all the extra one-on-one coaching that you could have with extra assistants. I know that’s crazy in the eyes of the Steelers organization
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When people say we have fewer on the coaching staff, it’s misleading a bit… yeah some teams have passing and run game coordinators, but those often have dual roles on the staff.. we actually have the typical amount of position coaches, though teams vary in what positions have extra assistants… some might have an assistant wr coach but not a TE coachor something like that
We don’t employ assistant coordinators as some do … ( I remember seeing an ASSISTANT Special teams coordinator on KC and thinking “WTF?”) and for some reason we have a defensive QC coach but not an offensive one
On tge flip side, we have a general offense assistant coach, but not a defensive one… there would be four coaches in those positions on other teams…
Since mitchell retired, we don’t have an assistant HC.
And while we list our team trainers on our coaching staff, we don’t include our head of medicine or other staff like that… most teams do..
same thing with analysts.. teams list several analysts including analytic coordinators on some staffs… we keep ours in the front office…
So while there are definitely some coaching staff options we could utilize to our advantage, much of it is semantics… we have people working in the role, just not as part of tge staff
When people say we have fewer on the coaching staff, it’s misleading a bit… yeah some teams have passing and run game coordinators, but those often have dual roles on the staff.. we actually have the typical amount of position coaches, though teams vary in what positions have extra assistants… some might have an assistant wr coach but not a TE coachor something like that
We don’t employ assistant coordinators as some do … ( I remember seeing an ASSISTANT Special teams coordinator on KC and thinking “WTF?”) and for some reason we have a defensive QC coach but not an offensive one
On tge flip side, we have a general offense assistant coach, but not a defensive one… there would be four coaches in those positions on other teams…
Since mitchell retired, we don’t have an assistant HC.
And while we list our team trainers on our coaching staff, we don’t include our head of medicine or other staff like that… most teams do..
same thing with analysts.. teams list several analysts including analytic coordinators on some staffs… we keep ours in the front office…
So while there are definitely some coaching staff options we could utilize to our advantage, much of it is semantics… we have people working in the role, just not as part of tge staff
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I read from a site not to be named that we have 19. Dolphins 27. And the Pats only 18. I feel having assistant coaches prep and help more on an individual level would be beneficial. Leaving your department head so to speak to do the higher level work. IMO we are lacking the nuances and preparation needed. Having more coaches helping is such a marginal expense vs the upside it might have. And I guess I just don’t see the downside to it.
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I don’t know that he’ll save the team, but I am of the opinion that he wouldn’t be any worse. Not at this point anyway.
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I guess we shall see in the next couple of games. It may turn out than none of the 3 are keepers. I do know that I for one will be pissed as hell if Rudy comes in and plays better than the others, and Mediocre Mike wasted the last couple of years and a 1st round pick because of his arrogance.
Just one.
So again the cheap angle isn’t right… the dolphins, for example, have 3 more offensive coaches listed than we did before Canada was fired…
They have
1. an OC
2. An Oline coach
3. An assistant oline coach
4. A QB coach that doubles as a Passing Game Coordinator
5. An assistant qb coach
6. A Wr coach
7. A RB coach that also is the Associate HC
8. A TE coach that also is the assistant HC
9 an offensive QC coach
10. An Offensive Assistant
11. An Offensive Assistant
12. An Offensive Assistant
13. An Offensive Assistant
The Steelers have
1. an OC ( fired)
2. An Oline coach
3. An assistant oline coach
4. A QB coach
5. An assistant qb coach
6. A Wr coach
7. A RB coach
8. A TE coach
9 ***an overall Qc coordinator listed outside the offense ( but a separate one just for D…so this guy must do Offense and ST)
10. An Offensive Assistant
So on offense, the difference is the three extra Offensive assistants miami has that we don’t..
An “ offensive assistant” title is a catch all… but most teams list their duties as this:
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-Assist the head coach in creating and implementing offensive game plans.
-Evaluate and analyze game footage to identify areas for improvement.
-Work closely with the quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers to develop and improve their skills.
-Help design and implement practice drills and exercises to improve offensive performance.
-Participate in scouting and recruiting potential new players.
-Collaborate with other coaches and staff to coordinate offensive strategies.
-Attend team meetings and actively contribute to team discussions.
-Provide feedback and guidance to players during games and practices.
-Keep accurate records and statistics related to team offensive performance.
-Continuously study and stay up-to-date on current football strategies and developments.
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Some teams give offensive assistants more detailed job titles, usually some type of game analyst….
An average Offensive assistant only makes a little over 50 k per year… so adding 3 would cost 150k. The Rooneys own about 30% of the team, so adding them would cut into their personal profits by about 45k.. maybe a tad more with benefits…
The steelers netted 121 million in profits last year, that means the rooneys banked a bit over 36 million … 45k is nothing
No, I’m almost definite that our assistant shortage is more steeped in a more fundamentally problematic issue.. i don’t think that we use analysts and strategists like other teams do… we have one analyst in the front office… i think most of our data review for upcoming games and in game scouting is done by position coaches.
I think its just old school mentality more than cheapness… but I do agree that it will take away from player development because a coach good at analyzing data and breaking down gametape might not be a good teacher of technique and vice versa
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Maybe a combination because I agree that there's an old school mentality when it comes to the team. I even remember something about the draft and analytics and how teams have guys on the team to help at least give the upper ups the math and percentages of drafting a player at a certain position at a specific spot in the draft and the percentages that they will be a backup, starter or pro bowler. Or giving coaches the math on going for 4th down conversions or going for 2-points and the benefits to each in that specific situation. It isn't to just always go by the numbers but to help assist the coach and GM in making an informed decision. I don't know if they do know but when I read the article 5-6 years ago we didn't have any.
And according to Wikipedia Steelers have 18 and Phins have 27. Obviously, it would have been 19 with Canada. From what I can tell they have three more offensive assistants, an assistant QB coach, an assistant d-line, 3 secondary coaches instead of one, 2 defensive assistants, and the special teams coach even gets an assistant.
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LMFAO. yeeeeeah. Mitch looked so much WORSE than Kenny did when he had to step in there. Rudolph, LOL, 5 years in the league and played in 17 games. Unknown commodity, hahaha.
You're gonna eat alot a sh*t when Kenny shoves the ball up Cincy's *** tomorrow.
No he already covers his bases. He will talk incessantly over and over and over and over about Kenny. Then occasionally throw in a bit he needs this amount of time to know something.
Then Rudy played in more training camps, seen more games, had multiple coordinators but he hasn't seen enough from Rudy but seen plenty from Kenny.
He is exhausting in his posting. He just recycles his same crap over and over and over again. Thread to thread. What they talked about Kenny? Here is another opportunity for me! Weee wee weeee.
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Well, I hope I am wrong and Kenny does shove the ball up the Bunglas
. But if I were to make a guess I would say Jake Browning probably outperforms Kenny Sunday. But who knows. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe it will only take Kenny 13 more games to tie Rudolph's career touchdown passes. I really will hope.
Wow I am shocked at that guess, just utterly shocking.
Oh now the new thing is TD passes. Always something new. 50 more pages.
Oh now the new thing is TD passes. Always something new. 50 more pages.
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The Dolphins have Mike McDaniel running their offense. The Steelers had Matt Canada.
The Dolphins have Tua, who developed into a good NFL QB. They got him Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle.
After last year, McDaniel said he needed to run the ball more this year, even though they already had an explosive passing game. They were 2nd to last in 2022 in attempts, I believe around 24th in attempts this year, but 2nd in rushing yards per game.
I don't think it's the number of coaches, they just have one of the best offensive minds in the league running the show and some of the most explosive talent on the roster.
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Definitely having a head coach like McDaniels helps significantly. And having receivers like Hill and Waddle help. But lets talk about before McDaniels took over and people were calling Tua a bust.
678 attempts 449 completions 66.2% 4,467 27 touchdowns 15 interceptions.
Pickett
670 attempts 415 completions 61.9% 4,126 13 touchdowns 13 interceptions.
In 2021 rookie Jaylen Waddle lead the team in receptions and yards 104 & 1015. Gesicki 780 and Parker 515 were the other primary receivers. In 2020 Parker 793, Gesicki 703, and Jakeem Grant 373 were his leading receivers. I would say Pickett with Diontae Johnson, George Pickens, Pat Freiermuth, Allen Robinson and Calvin Austin III has a better supporting cast.
The last three weeks our running game has put up 166, 205 & 172. Our passing game in that span has accounted for 160, 119, & 77 yards. And if you watch the film there's open guys even in Matt Canada's vanilla, bland, high school offense. So now that Canada is gone the excuses are gone. I believe our offensive struggles are a combination of issues and one was Matt Canada. The other big component is Kenny Pickett. And the reason we have both of them is because of the head coach and the reason we have the head coach is because of the owner.
These goes some more stat comparisons. Tua had a different start than Kenny. He wasn't handcuffed by one of the worst OCs in the history of the game. But let's throw this stat out thinking that somehow knocks Kenny down a peg.
Just maybe Tua just was destined to be the better QB.
And just maybe it is just a wait and see.
Kenny doesn't need a statistical comparison to every Joe blow, for everyone to know he needs to play better.
Everyone knows that, everyone. No stat is going to show his future, only he can show that. It has already been pointed out by numerous posters that early stats don't reflect career outcomes. Some turn out showing they weren't capable and some that they were capable.
Just maybe Tua just was destined to be the better QB.
And just maybe it is just a wait and see.
Kenny doesn't need a statistical comparison to every Joe blow, for everyone to know he needs to play better.
Everyone knows that, everyone. No stat is going to show his future, only he can show that. It has already been pointed out by numerous posters that early stats don't reflect career outcomes. Some turn out showing they weren't capable and some that they were capable.
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After the first few pages it all turns into blah blah blah for me and scroll scroll scroll..haha.
We get to start all over again Sunday afternoon. Which hopefully will be on a much more positive note.
Sunday's game will tell a lot in the direction of this team. They should have an emotional boost that I would think would lead a W with much better execution throughout the game. If they come out looking the same the only thing that can be said is that Canada wasn't calling the plays and we're still left with is it KP or MT's offense.
So...you're basing this prediction on what? Jake Browning has ZERO NFL starts, and a grand total of FIFTEEN attempts. Evidently, somehow, you've gone from needing to see 1500 attempts to just 15 to tell how good a quarterback is. As long as the guy with 15 is playing against Kenny Pickett, of course.Well, I hope I am wrong and Kenny does shove the ball up the Bunglas
You're amusing, if nothing else.
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